Tucker Carlson : RFK jr winning and is being attacked worse than Trump

[jmdrake]

[MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION], that kind of skewers your whole "The MSM is just attacking Trump to help him" narrative. That was partly true in 2016 when they were hoping he would be the candidate Hillary could beat. No longer true since then.

And for the Twitter challenged, here's the YouTube.



And just so you don't misunderstand/misconstrue what I'm saying (you've been doing that in other threads), I'll be extra crispy clear.

Tucker's thesis that Kyle Kulinski clumisly attacked is that Trump became a target for attack by taking an antiwar stance.

Tucker's thesis is also that RFK Jr. became a target for attack by taking on big pharma.

Your thesis seems to be that the MAIN reason Trump has been attacked is to help him win. That made sense for him winning the GOP nomination in 2016. It doesn't make sense post Trump winning the nomination. (Hillary attacked Trump during the general election and she DEFINITELY was planning on winning herself.) And it doesn't make sense when applying the same logic to RFK Jr. I don't think the people attacking RFK Jr. want him to be the nominee. So why not just ignore RFK Jr. like they did Ron Paul? Simple. It's impossible to ignore an already famous billionaire. Remember Ross Perot? He actually managed to force himself into the general election debates. Ron Paul go famous by word of mouth. We put up signs in 2008 saying "Google Ron Paul" and "Who is Ron Paul." Nobody needed to put up signs saying "Who is RFK Jr" or "Who is Ross Perot" or "Who is Donald Trump."

1) First they ignore you.
2) Then they laugh at you.
3) Then they attack you.
4) Then you win.

For Ron Paul they could start at step 1. For everybody else they had to start at step 2.

 

[unknown]

Here's the show on his Twitter page and for some reason it's only 18 minutes long?

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1672014260480901120

 

[acptulsa]

Yes, that has been the Trump fan answer all along, too famous to ignore. But it doesn't explain the sheer volume of publicity he got and he gets.

And yes, Kennedy is being viciously attacked. So was Ron Paul, quixotically. But unlike Trump, you don't see him getting Town Halls on CNN and MSNBC. And you don't see Trump being left off any popularity polls, and never, ever have since 2014.

And Ross Perot wasn't on any debates until he got ratings with a paid commercial program, complete with home made pie charts.

Yes, RFKJr. is subject to more virulent attacks than Trump, but there are a lot less of them. I see a huge disparity between the sheer number of articles about those two. And viewing only what is broadcast on actual airwaves, that disparity grows. No, I don't think they ever had a chance to bury him, and the more people hear of him, the more he will be attacked. These won't always be overt attacks; they're likely to even talk nice about him a little as long as it's done by people like Carlson, who are identified as conservative (no doubt they think Democrats will get despise him like Pavlov's dogs if they call him a Republican). But I stand by what I said.

 

[unknown]

Ok, so the 18 minute show at the Twitter link is the RFK Jr coverage.

After the 18 minute mark in the YouTube video, Tucker begins his report on the dam that was destroyed in Ukraine.

 

[unknown]

I think they pretty much goto step 3 right off the rip.

The ignoring part is now more difficult with Musk allowing content on Twitter, outlets like Rogan, Rumble, Odysee, Bitchute etc.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes, that has been the Trump fan answer all along, too famous to ignore. But it doesn't explain the sheer volume of publicity he got and he gets.

And yes, Kennedy is being viciously attacked. So was Ron Paul, quixotically. But unlike Trump, you don't see him getting Town Halls on CNN and MSNBC. And you don't see Trump being left off any popularity polls, and never, ever have since 2014.

And Ross Perot wasn't on any debates until he got ratings with a paid commercial program, complete with home made pie charts.

Yes, RFKJr. is subject to more virulent attacks than Trump, but there are a lot less of them. I see a huge disparity between the sheer number of articles about those two. And viewing only what is btlroadcast on actual airwaves, that disparity grows. No, I don't think they ever had a chance to bury him, and the more people hear of him, the more he will be attacked. These won't always be overt attacks; they're likely to even talk nice about him a little as long as it's done by people like Carlson, who are identified as conservative (no doubt they think Democrats will get despise him like Pavlov's dogs if they call him a Republican). But I stand by what I said.

You understand that CNN is in the business of making money through advertising and advertising is based on ratings right?

CNN primetime ratings plummet after Trump bump: Fall behind Newsmax
By Shannon Thaler
May 16, 2023 11:34am Updated
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The ratings-challenged cable news network drew just 335,000 average viewers during its three-hour prime-time block on Friday — placing it not only behind Fox and MSNBC but also fringe outlet Newsmax.

The woeful figures came two days after CNN drew its highest ratings in two years from its controversial town hall with former President Donald Trump.

However, giving the lightning-rod Republican a forum to reiterate his conspiracy theories — including his claim that the 2020 election was “rigged” — led to internal outcry and a seeming backlash from its traditional left-wing viewership base.

Anderson Cooper, the network’s most-watched anchor, came on the air Thursday and told his irate viewers that they had every right to never watch CNN again.

It seemed a lot of them took him up on the offer.

Friday’s edition of the Cooper-hosted “AC360” at 8 p.m. drew 447,000 viewers, well below his usual average.

The ratings just kept getting worse throughout the night, with just 293,000 tuning in for “Whole Story with Anderson” at 9 p.m. and 263,000 for “Who’s Talking to Chris Wallace” — the lowest-rated hour since the show launched on CNN in September, according to according to Mediaite.

CNN’s rivals at Fox News won the primetime battle, averaging 1.44 million viewers, while MSNBC had a 1.08 million.

CNN recorded a record audience of 3.3 million during its controversial presidential town hall with Donald Trump on May 10, the event proved to be an outlier for the network.

The right-leaning channel Newsmax — which launched in 2014, more than three decades after CNN was founded — garnered 357,000 average prime time viewers.

A CNN spokesperson insisted CNN’s poor ratings after the Trump town hall are not tied to the viewership surge seen by Newsmax. He pointed out that Newsmax has gained steam since Fox parted ways with Tucker Carlson last month.

“The phenomenon you’ve identified is not related to CNN,” spokesperson Matt Dornic told The Post on Tuesday. “Fox News viewership is down double digits as their viewers jump to Newsmax in huge numbers.”

CNN didn’t fare much better in the key 25-54 demographic for advertisers, drawing 87,000 viewers — compared with 109,000 for Fox and 98,000 for MSNBC.

It did manage to top Newsmax, which nabbed 45,000 in the demo.

“CNN is entirely focused on the 25-54 demo, which was actually up versus the previous four Fridays while both Fox and MSNBC were down,” Dornic said.

Following Friday's numbers, CNN CEO Chris Licht faces an ongoing struggle to turn the news channel around since parent company Warner Bros. Discovery tasked him with the job more than a year ago.
Following Friday’s numbers, CNN CEO Chris Licht faces an ongoing struggle to turn the news channel around since parent company Warner Bros. Discovery tasked him with the job more than a year ago.
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The plunge in CNN’s ratings after the May 10 town hall — which drew 3.3 million viewers — illustrates the challenge facing network boss Chris Licht as he seeks to turn the news channel around since parent company Warner Bros. Discovery tasked him with the job more than a year ago.

In March, CNN reported a drastic 61% dip in viewership — the steepest among the big three cable news giants.
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[acptulsa]

They don't seem to consider it their top priority, no...

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[Anti Federalist]

These won't always be overt attacks; they're likely to even talk nice about him a little as long as it's done by people like Carlson, who are identified as conservative (no doubt they think Democrats will get despise him like Pavlov's dogs if they call him a Republican).

Or maybe, just maybe, Carlson genuinely appreciates and agrees with what he is saying and doing.

This is directed [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] more than you, but I'm curious, why should I disregard everything that Kennedy has said on things like climate change or guns or energy or taxes, and take your word he's a good guy, when you will not do the same for people like Carlson?

 

[acptulsa]

Or maybe, just maybe, Carlson genuinely appreciates and agrees with what he is saying and doing.

Or both.

This is directed [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] more than you, but I'm curious, why should I disregard everything that Kennedy has said on things like climate change or guns or energy or taxes, and take your word he's a good guy...

You shouldn't.

And, hell. If you can find a candidate who aligns with your views right down the line, and proved his mettle by fighting that death jab from the beginning, and that you think you can endow with Camelot-like name recognition and appeal, then by all means you should support that candidate instead.

You have two or three of those to choose from, right?

 

[jmdrake]

They don't seem to consider it their top priority, no...

Boost your ESG score and your ratings at the same time by having Trump on and trying to attack him? Why wouldn't any modern CEO not do that?

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[acptulsa]

Well, at least you found an excuse that's less than four years old.

I'm not begging, or kissing Carlson's ass. You want to know my opinion of what our best chance is, fine. If you don't, fine.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, at least you found an excuse that's less than four years old.

I'm not begging, or kissing Carlson's ass. You want to know my opinion of what our best chance is, fine. If you don't, fine.

And I'm not kissing Kennedy's ass.

I'm making a point to reach and hear what he has to say.

A very apt image.

Up until a year ago, Kennedy seemed very much in favor of a blue boot crushing us in the name of climate justice.

 

[acptulsa]

A very apt image.

Up until a year ago, Kennedy seemed very much in favor of a blue boot crushing us in the name of climate justice.

I hear you. But, you know, the man's talking like he wants to dismantle the CIA. Now, if he's just lying about that, well, he'll get elected and turn into his uncle Teddy and we will have been fooled again. But if you'll recall, another uncle, his dad and his first cousin all had real attitudes about power and the people with it, and big brass balls.

And I have a feeling that if he ever finds himself in a position to do anything about it, the CIA is going to keep him much too busy to pursue climate silliness.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Here's the show on his Twitter page and for some reason it's only 18 minutes long?

It's only 18 minutes long because it's only 18 minutes long.

(For some reason, the YouTube video in the OP was edited to add the first episode after the sixth episode.)

 

[dannno]

Yes, that has been the Trump fan answer all along, too famous to ignore. But it doesn't explain the sheer volume of publicity he got and he gets.

And yes, Kennedy is being viciously attacked. So was Ron Paul, quixotically. But unlike Trump, you don't see him getting Town Halls on CNN and MSNBC. And you don't see Trump being left off any popularity polls, and never, ever have since 2014.

And Ross Perot wasn't on any debates until he got ratings with a paid commercial program, complete with home made pie charts.

Yes, RFKJr. is subject to more virulent attacks than Trump, but there are a lot less of them. I see a huge disparity between the sheer number of articles about those two. And viewing only what is btlroadcast on actual airwaves, that disparity grows. No, I don't think they ever had a chance to bury him, and the more people hear of him, the more he will be attacked. These won't always be overt attacks; they're likely to even talk nice about him a little as long as it's done by people like Carlson, who are identified as conservative (no doubt they think Democrats will get despise him like Pavlov's dogs if they call him a Republican). But I stand by what I said.

Pie charts > Venn diagrams

 

[devil21]

[MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION], that kind of skewers your whole "The MSM is just attacking Trump to help him" narrative.

Because nothing says "MSM hates you" more than 15 year multi-millionaire MSM veteran carrying water for you on "alternative media". Twitter....alternative media....rofl. Owned by billionaires, run by WEFster MSM execs....lol. Do you even hear yourself? I peruse the net for more time in a day than I should and if there's one thing I've picked up, it is that without Twitter links to some talking head or other, most discussion forums would be very quiet, obviously including this forum. Twitter is the new MSM. Who really watches CNN now? Few. Shifting people to "new media" (read: new MSM) has been underway from Silicon Valley for a long time already. When I've written to watch if the media gives RFK the Ron Paul black out treatment, that included "new MSM media" like Twitter. Seeing how Twitter doesn't have any problems with censoring, it would otherwise be a breeze for Twitter to implement "free speech not free reach" regarding RFK. But they don't. So.....
RFK is still a UN climate warrior, anti-2A, pro-Israel and a host of other Overton Window shifting positions.

I hear you. But, you know, the man's talking like he wants to dismantle the CIA. Now, if he's just lying about that, well, he'll get elected and turn into his uncle Teddy

A most excellent point regarding the other Kennedy family members!