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[cstarace]

stop with the ad hominem attacks and talk policy. either that or you can get out. I am no racist, i am pro american. you must have come from the left.

And America was originally inhabited by the good ole Christian white folk...amirite?

 

[steph3n]

well in all honesty you need to read a history book. Anyone on here who SEDUCTIVELY advocates for transnationalism by rationalizing open borders is clearly void of any historical understanding of balkanization. It has happened in rome, the former yugoslavia, and is now happening here. When groups of people within a country do not share the same cultural values, and do the same things, and naturally divide into their own enclaves, it becomes a natural source of animosity and hatred. usually, this tribal accumulation of hatred and lack of assimilation comes from those who immigrate here illegally. When groups don't read the same newspapers, watch the same movies, play SPORTS together (i.e. negro leagues and mlb) and share the same values culturally, they tend to disintegrate. This is why you have ghettos in miami like "little havana". I say lets turn "little havana" into "little get out and go back to cuba".

You clearly know nothing, Little Havana is not a ghetto.

Liberty City on the other hand.....

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

You clearly know nothing, Little Havana is not a ghetto.

Liberty City on the other hand.....

I don't know what a ghetto is. Let's consult wikipedia for the answer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Havana

As of 2011, Little Havana has the highest concentration of Hispanics (98%) in Miami. Within the Hispanic population, the Cuban population has experienced a substantial decrease from 84% in 1979 to 58% in 1989; however, a group of Hispanics from other countries, especially those from Nicaragua, Honduras, and other Central Americans countries has substantially increased since the late-1990s.[2]

As of 2000,[3][4] Little Havana had a population of 49,206 residents, with 19,341 households, and 11,266 families residing in the neighborhood. The median household income was $15,213.16. The ethnic makeup of the neighborhood was 85.08% Hispanic or Latino of any race (mainly Cubans, but also many Nicaraguans and Hondurans, as well as other Latinos), 3.79% Black or African American (not including Afro-Cubans, Afro-Nicaraguans, Afro-Hondurans, and other Afro-Latinos), 10.14% Non-Hispanic White, and 0.96% Other races.

 

[steph3n]

I don't know what a ghetto is. Let's consult wikipedia for the answer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Havana

As of 2011, Little Havana has the highest concentration of Hispanics (98%) in Miami. Within the Hispanic population, the Cuban population has experienced a substantial decrease from 84% in 1979 to 58% in 1989; however, a group of Hispanics from other countries, especially those from Nicaragua, Honduras, and other Central Americans countries has substantially increased since the late-1990s.[2]

As of 2000,[3][4] Little Havana had a population of 49,206 residents, with 19,341 households, and 11,266 families residing in the neighborhood. The median household income was $15,213.16. The ethnic makeup of the neighborhood was 85.08% Hispanic or Latino of any race (mainly Cubans, but also many Nicaraguans and Hondurans, as well as other Latinos), 3.79% Black or African American (not including Afro-Cubans, Afro-Nicaraguans, Afro-Hondurans, and other Afro-Latinos), 10.14% Non-Hispanic White, and 0.96% Other races.

Not a ghetto, in fact Little Havana is pretty nice overall, you'd feel a LOT safer(and generally be) in Little Havana than in LC/Overtown

Nothing you posted there says ghetto, the racial makeup doesn't make something ghetto.

On the other hand, Liberty City:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City
It along with 'overtown' are ghetto.

I lived in a location where I went through overtown daily, I rather liked the place for Miami, but it was ghetto, and I saw a LOT of crime.

 

[bluesc]

you are misguided because you fail to realize that free trade is ONLY an abstract idea. Can you name me one country in the world that has completely tariff/duty free trade w. no import/export quotas? If you can, I would love to hear it. I am all for free trade, but when you do business to such an extent that the US does, especially with these third world developing countries, you are forced to engage with dictators who resort to the mercantilist, draconian policies of the 18th century. Please explain to me how an elected official can justify to his constituents how China could put duties / bounties (w. no drawbacks) on their goods imported here. His only recourse would be to do the same back. Please read the wealth of nations and then get back to me. k thx

You're missing the point. You're arguing the merits of protectionism without considering the implications for liberty.

You can show me data that clearly demonstrates that protectionism really does work at getting back at those commies, but it still restricts liberty and therefore is meaningless in the context of this discussion.

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

Not a ghetto, in fact Little Havana is pretty nice overall.

Nothing you posted there says ghetto, the racial makeup doesn't make something ghetto.

On the other hand, Liberty City:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City
It along with 'overtown' are ghetto.

I lived in a location where I went through overtown daily, I rather liked the place for Miami, but it was ghetto, and I saw a LOT of crime.

Originally Posted by bluesc
Nitpick time. I don't believe "strong borders" are compatible with free markets and I don't believe nationalism when taken to the extreme is compatible with freedom or liberty.
well in all honesty you need to read a history book. Anyone on here who SEDUCTIVELY advocates for transnationalism by rationalizing open borders is clearly void of any historical understanding of balkanization. It has happened in rome, the former yugoslavia, and is now happening here. When groups of people within a country do not share the same cultural values, and do the same things, and naturally divide into their own enclaves, it becomes a natural source of animosity and hatred. usually, this tribal accumulation of hatred and lack of assimilation comes from those who immigrate here illegally. When groups don't read the same newspapers, watch the same movies, play SPORTS together (i.e. negro leagues and mlb) and share the same values culturally, they tend to disintegrate. This is why you have ghettos in miami like "little havana". I say lets turn "little havana" into "little get out and go back to cuba".


above was my ORIGINAL post where I alluded to little havana being a ghetto.

now, here is the definition of a ghetto, from wikipedia

A ghetto is a section of a city predominantly occupied by a group who live there, especially because of social, economic, or legal issues. The term was originally used in Venice to describe the area where Jews were compelled to live. The term may refer to an overcrowded urban area often associated with specific ethnic or racial populations living below the poverty line. From a statistical perspective, ghettos are typically high crime areas relative to other parts of the city. [1]

Here is my death blow to your phony argument.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864p.pdf

As of 2000,[3][4] Little Havana had a population of 49,206 residents, with 19,341 households, and 11,266 families residing in the neighborhood. The median household income was $15,213.16.

15213.16 < $22,350 (family of four).

So, in addition to being a community of a densely concentrated cadre of immigrants, the median income level falls below the poverty line.

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

You're missing the point. You're arguing the merits of protectionism without considering the implications for liberty.

You can show me data that clearly demonstrates that protectionism really does work at getting back at those commies, but it still restricts liberty and therefore is meaningless in the context of this discussion.

I'm not saying that free trade is bad. Protectionism doesn't result in the OPTIMUM allocation of resources. You need to understand that pragmatically, free trade is unattainable. Protectionist tariffs are reactionary, and are politically expedient. Stop living in the land of oz with this whole concept of maximizing liberty while undermining sovereignty and economic nationalism, both of which you ignore in your short-sighted analysis of reality.

 

[steph3n]

Originally Posted by bluesc
Nitpick time. I don't believe "strong borders" are compatible with free markets and I don't believe nationalism when taken to the extreme is compatible with freedom or liberty.
well in all honesty you need to read a history book. Anyone on here who SEDUCTIVELY advocates for transnationalism by rationalizing open borders is clearly void of any historical understanding of balkanization. It has happened in rome, the former yugoslavia, and is now happening here. When groups of people within a country do not share the same cultural values, and do the same things, and naturally divide into their own enclaves, it becomes a natural source of animosity and hatred. usually, this tribal accumulation of hatred and lack of assimilation comes from those who immigrate here illegally. When groups don't read the same newspapers, watch the same movies, play SPORTS together (i.e. negro leagues and mlb) and share the same values culturally, they tend to disintegrate. This is why you have ghettos in miami like "little havana". I say lets turn "little havana" into "little get out and go back to cuba".


above was my ORIGINAL post where I alluded to little havana being a ghetto.

now, here is the definition of a ghetto, from wikipedia

A ghetto is a section of a city predominantly occupied by a group who live there, especially because of social, economic, or legal issues. The term was originally used in Venice to describe the area where Jews were compelled to live. The term may refer to an overcrowded urban area often associated with specific ethnic or racial populations living below the poverty line. From a statistical perspective, ghettos are typically high crime areas relative to other parts of the city. [1]

Here is my death blow to your phony argument.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864p.pdf

As of 2000,[3][4] Little Havana had a population of 49,206 residents, with 19,341 households, and 11,266 families residing in the neighborhood. The median household income was $15,213.16.

15213.16 < $22,350 (family of four).

So, in addition to being a community of a densely concentrated cadre of immigrants, the median income level falls below the poverty line.

The income is just what is claimed, I take it you've never been to Little Havana have you?

 

[bluesc]

I'm not saying that free trade is bad. Protectionism doesn't result in the OPTIMUM allocation of resources. You need to understand that pragmatically, free trade is unattainable. Protectionist tariffs are reactionary, and are politically expedient. Stop living in the land of oz with this whole concept of maximizing liberty while undermining sovereignty and economic nationalism, both of which you ignore in your short-sighted analysis of reality.

"Stop dreaming of liberty, it's unattainable" ~ Pat Buchanan to Ron Paul

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

"Stop dreaming of liberty, it's unattainable" ~ Pat Buchanan to Ron Paul

stop making things up to justify your shoddy argument. Pat would never say that to Ron, and in fact, he campaigned for him in 96. if it were possible to attain maximum economic liberty in our trade with foreign nations, I would be all for it 100%. you just don't grasp the concept that other nations will impose protectionism on us by way of their comprehensive, uniform, concrete trade policies. No elected free trader would be able to get re-elected under the threat of being voted out because he/she didn't impose tariffs in retaliation to a similar policy directed our way.

 

[idiom]

Not a ghetto, in fact Little Havana is pretty nice overall, you'd feel a LOT safer(and generally be) in Little Havana than in LC/Overtown

Nothing you posted there says ghetto, the racial makeup doesn't make something ghetto.

On the other hand, Liberty City:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City
It along with 'overtown' are ghetto.

I lived in a location where I went through overtown daily, I rather liked the place for Miami, but it was ghetto, and I saw a LOT of crime.

ghet·to   [get-oh]
noun, plural ghet·tos, ghet·toes.
1.
a section of a city, especially a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group, often as a result of social or economic restrictions, pressures, or hardships.
2.
(formerly, in most European countries) a section of a city in which all Jews were required to live.
3.
a section predominantly inhabited by Jews.

 

[angelatc]

stop making things up to justify your shoddy argument. Pat would never say that to Ron, and in fact, he campaigned for him in 96. if it were possible to attain maximum economic liberty in our trade with foreign nations, I would be all for it 100%. you just don't grasp the concept that other nations will impose protectionism on us by way of their comprehensive, uniform, concrete trade policies. No elected free trader would be able to get re-elected under the threat of being voted out because he/she didn't impose tariffs in retaliation to a similar policy directed our way.

The fact that we will never have 100% open borders is no reason to advocate for making them less open though. Utopia may indeed be unattainable, but the closer we move towards it the better off we are.

 

[cavalier973]

A friend of mine called me the other night. He was driving through the desert and was stuck listening to Lavin. He said that Lavin went on and on for 45 minutes lambasting Paul. Anyone hear about that.

http://godandfreetrade.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/mark-levin-come-back-come-back-to-mordor-with-me/

My take

 

[cavalier973]

you just don't grasp the concept that other nations will impose protectionism on us

All the better for us, and the worse for them.

"The Chinese are raising taxes on their people; if we don't do the same, and raise taxes on U.S. citizens, then the Chinese will have a stronger economy than us" is not a persuasive argument.

 

[steph3n]

ghet·to   [get-oh]
noun, plural ghet·tos, ghet·toes.
1.
a section of a city, especially a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group, often as a result of social or economic restrictions, pressures, or hardships.
2.
(formerly, in most European countries) a section of a city in which all Jews were required to live.
3.
a section predominantly inhabited by Jews.

you forgot to highlight 'slum area' which Little Havana is much farther from than Liberty City or Overtown.

 

[angelatc]

All the better for us, and the worse for them.

"The Chinese are raising taxes on their people; if we don't do the same, and raise taxes on U.S. citizens, then the Chinese will have a stronger economy than us" is not a persuasive argument.

Sorry, but it persuades me.

 

[The Free Hornet]

BORDERS. LANGUAGE. CULTURE.

It is what makes us great. Not "freedom, liberty, and free markets".

Borders, language, and culture are not unique to us. What was unique to us was freedom and things like having the longest unguarded border with another country (Canada). Is that still true? Having oceans as borders ("from sea to shining sea") make us great. Not fences.

What was unique about the culture is that we welcomed all and weren't racists like some. Regarding language, we don't mandate the use of one like some nations. We have never been strong on any of these three items. Never. How can we be great because of them?

Also, "freedom, liberty, and free markets" are all one thing. Not three. "BORDERS. LANGUAGE. CULTURE." is three things.

Since you seem to need remedial education, I will leave you with this video of Grover explaining the difference between "near" and "far". Watch it twice if needed:

 

[RonPaulIsGreat]

I'd say the title sums it up. I used to listen to him on and off, and agree with him the majority of the time, now this was years ago, and he never was so stupid as what was just said in that clip.

RIP: Michael Savage's Sanity. But, I do think he is right in that we will be attacking Iran eventually, I don't think we should or understand why people like death so much, but that is the world we live in.

 

[No Free Beer]

Sorry, but Bing whooped all of you.

 

[No Free Beer]

Borders, language, and culture are not unique to us. What was unique to us was freedom and things like having the longest unguarded border with another country (Canada). Is that still true? Having oceans as borders ("from sea to shining sea") make us great. Not fences.

What was unique about the culture is that we welcomed all and weren't racists like some. Regarding language, we don't mandate the use of one like some nations. We have never been strong on any of these three items. Never. How can we be great because of them?

Also, "freedom, liberty, and free markets" are all one thing. Not three. "BORDERS. LANGUAGE. CULTURE." is three things.

Since you seem to need remedial education, I will leave you with this video of Grover explaining the difference between "near" and "far". Watch it twice if needed:

What the hell are you rambling about?

You literally didn't say anything.

You followed up with an extremely rude statement to someone who has an MBA in finance. Well done. You just made yourself look like a fool.