Trump’s Stop-and-Frisk Agenda

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Trump’s Stop-and-Frisk Agenda


Trump’s Stop-and-Frisk Agenda

By Ronald Brownstein
May 25, 2024


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Four years after George Floyd’s death, Trump wants to reverse the fitful progress toward police reform.

Even as Donald Trump relies on unprecedented support from Black and Latino voters, he is embracing policies that would expose their communities to much greater police surveillance and enforcement. The policies that Trump is pledging to implement around crime and policing in a second presidential term would reverse the broad trend of police reform that accelerated after the murder of George Floyd, four years ago today.

The magnitude of Trump’s plans on policing and crime has drawn little attention in the presidential race so far. But on virtually every front, Trump proposes to use Federal influence to reverse the efforts toward police reform that have gained ground over roughly the past decade, and especially since Floyd’s murder by the Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin in 2020 spurred the largest nationwide protests since the 1960s. “We will give our police back their power and their respect,” Trump declared in his appearance at the National Rifle Association convention last weekend.

In a campaign video last year, Trump laid out a sweeping second-term agenda on crime and policing. He promised “a record investment” in Federal Funds to help cities hire and train more police. He said he would require local law-enforcement agencies receiving Federal grants to implement an array of hard-line “proven policing measures” including “Stop-and-Frisk, strictly enforcing existing gun laws, cracking down on the open use of illegal drugs,” and cooperating with federal immigration agencies “to arrest and deport criminal aliens.”

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Perhaps most dramatically, Trump has indicated that he will dispatch the National Guard and other Federal Law-Enforcement personnel “to restore law and order” in cities where “local law enforcement refuses to act”. Trump, in fact, has said on multiple occasions that one of his biggest regrets from his first term is that he deferred to city officials, who resisted his calls to deploy the National Guard or other Federal Law-Enforcement forces onto their streets.

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Trump’s most frequent promise has been his pledge “to indemnify all police officers and law-enforcement officials".

Exactly how Trump, at the federal level, could provide more legal protection to police officers is unclear. Experts point out that police officers already are shielded by the doctrine of “qualified immunity” against litigation, which the Supreme Court has upheld in multiple cases. Even in cases where law-enforcement agencies admit to misconduct, the damages are virtually always paid by the city, not the individual police officer.

Some states and local governments have since moved to weaken qualified immunity as a defense in state courts. Trump appears to envision passing national legislation that codifies broad protection for police and preempts any state effort to retrench it.

Trump could also face problems precisely defining the policing tactics he wants to require local officials to adopt as a condition for receiving federal law-enforcement grants. Trump, for instance, has repeatedly praised the Stop-and-Frisk program launched in New York City by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Under that program, the New York Police Department stopped large numbers of people—many of them young Black and Latino men—and claimed to be searching for drugs or guns. But eventually a federal district judge declared that the program violated the Constitution’s protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as well as its guarantee of equal protection, and the city later abandoned the tactic.

Lopez, now a professor at Georgetown University Law School, says that Trump can’t order other police departments to precisely replicate the aggressive Stop-and-Frisk practices from New York City that have been found unconstitutional. But, she says, tying Federal Aid to Stop-and-Frisk and the other hard-line policies Trump is promoting could nonetheless exert a powerful signaling effect on local law enforcement.

“At the federal level, you can use your influence, your dollars, your training to encourage practices that are more or less alienating to communities,” she told me. Trump’s touting of Stop-and-Frisk, Lopez added, is “a signal that his administration is going to really promote some of the most aggressive, alienating practices that police departments have partaken in”.

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Full article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/05/trumps-extreme-plans-crime/678502/
 
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The Atlantic should have titled it: Trump’s Federalized Stop-and-Frisk Agenda
 
This is his 2nd term Agenda, if he gets reelected, folks.
 
This is his 2nd term Agenda, if he gets reelected, folks.

Republicans increase the police state. Democrats increase the welfare state. Both like the warfare state.

It's the left/right march to tyranny.

People seem to vote for the democrats to decrease the police state and the republicans to decrease the welfare state, but that never happens. Why? Because it is the nature of every human enterprise to expand their influence, not diminish it. So even when one side is against the other side on something, they are far more focused on where they can expand. Their incentive is to grow their power. The Judicial Branch was supposed to check that power, but they are humans, too. So here we are.
 
Republicans increase the police state. Democrats increase the welfare state. Both like the warfare state.

It's the left/right march to tyranny.

People seem to vote for the democrats to decrease the police state and the republicans to decrease the welfare state, but that never happens. Why? Because it is the nature of every human enterprise to expand their influence, not diminish it. So even when one side is against the other side on something, they are far more focused on where they can expand. Their incentive is to grow their power. The Judicial Branch was supposed to check that power, but they are humans, too. So here we are.

And anymore, the parties are merged, thus the uniparty.

But, if I think back historically, and take my individual rights into consideration, I would come to some kind of conclusion that I would rather pay a nickel more in taxes to help some lazy lady who pumped out another kid, than to pay anything more toward the obliteration of my Natural Rights, outlined in the constitution.

The republican party so far has:

Taken us off the gold standard, implemented TSA, the Patriot Act, Travel bans, started countless wars, OWS, and the now proposed Federal Internment Camps and this Stop and Frisk, which if I go anywhere, anytime, I can/will subject to.

So while some may demonize this analogy [what?!?!?! you evil bastard!!! you're siding with Marxists?!?!?!] I guess people on the so-called "right" side of liberty and freedom are a-o-k with everything that I listed above. And Trump will "win". And more Police-State will be embraced.
 
Easy for him to say, while others do the dirty and dangerous work, he's admiring his office gear.
 
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In some ways the citizen is probably safer being confronted by a robot than a raging human cop. I guess the issue is that everything a person does or thinks is criminal so everyone is a criminal.
Maybe that wouldn't be so bad in the end.
If an unbiased robot was monitoring each and every human the hypocrisy would be gone. It would become apparent that there are too many laws and restrictions and everyone is a criminal. All these goody two shoe Karens would be exposed for the slime balls they are. When everyones dirty laundry is exposed, mine won't seem too bad. Get Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Clinton, Trump's, laundry exposed. Get the cops, DA's, judges, under surveillance.
The problem is they will corrupt the data and rig the game.
Maybe that is why there is supposed to be a final judgement.
 
Bump because people want to defend Trump's rights, even though he doesn't give a F&CK about yours and will do everything that he can to squash them - FEDERALLY.
 
You know what I really don't like about "qualified immunity"??

I hate that it's "qualified".

If we all work together and elect DJT 2024 we can give police the full unqualified immunity that our heroes in blue deserve :cool::up:
 
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Honestly though [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] I don't really care about stop and frisk laws because I'm whitest m'fer you ever seen. Let's be real here, I ain't gonna get stop and frisked lol

I am MUCH more worried about Kamala turning me into a criminal via some gun law or censorship law or etc
 
Honestly though [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] I don't really care about stop and frisk laws because I'm whitest m'fer you ever seen. Let's be real here, I ain't gonna get stop and frisked lol

I am MUCH more worried about Kamala turning me into a criminal via some gun law or censorship law or etc

Republicans will fight back against any of that with Kamala. Not so with Trump as they will give passes [again].

Read the OP and then jump to Post#3 of the thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-Majority-Leader-push-a-federal-red-flag-law
 
Whitney Webb comes in at about 10:10

https://rumble.com/embed/v4p99jb/?pub=4
 
The problem with the OP is that Trump's stated position has undergone some significant changes since May. The Kim Iverson show was from April.

Has Trump said in the last 30 days that he's for any of this?

He's surrounded himself with a constellation of people who I trust to be 100% against any of this and also 100% likely to bring it up with him repeatedly until he relents or fires them.

One of the old troubles with Trump (the legit fascism stuff) has kinda been eclipsed by another old trouble with Trump (what the hell does he really believe... anything?)
And both are being somewhat mitigated by a third old trouble with Trump (that he's impressionable and will do what he's told if people are nice to him).

I'm normally a pretty big fan of entropy but not when this much is on the line.
 
The problem with the OP is that Trump's stated position has undergone some significant changes since May. The Kim Iverson show was from April.

Has Trump said in the last 30 days that he's for any of this?

He's surrounded himself with a constellation of people who I trust to be 100% against any of this and also 100% likely to bring it up with him repeatedly until he relents or fires them.

One of the old troubles with Trump (the legit fascism stuff) has kinda been eclipsed by another old trouble with Trump (what the hell does he really believe... anything?)
And both are being somewhat mitigated by a third old trouble with Trump (that he's impressionable and will do what he's told if people are nice to him).

I'm normally a pretty big fan of entropy but not when this much is on the line.


It's a long discussion, but it's packed with names, financiers and other information:

Dissecting the Election with Whitney Webb and James Corbett (October 30, 2024)


Another episode is here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Biometric-Surveillance&p=7263045#post7263045
 
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