Trump’s getting trounced in Indiana

[CPUd]

Trump’s getting trounced in Indiana

He cannot afford to lose Indiana. Remember this when Trump starts crying about having the nomination "stolen" from him.

Trump’s getting trounced in Indiana

The state hasn’t even voted and convention delegates are already lined up against the front-runner.

By Kyle Cheney
04/09/16 07:50 AM EDT
Updated 04/09/16 09:04 AM EDT


Indiana hasn’t cast its ballots for president yet, but Donald Trump is already losing.

Republican Party insiders in the state will select 27 delegates to the national convention on Saturday, and Trump is assured to be nearly shut out of support, according to interviews with a dozen party leaders and officials involved in the delegate selection process. Anti-Trump sentiment runs hot among GOP leadership in Indiana, and it’s driving a virulent rejection of the mogul among likely delegates.

“If Satan had the lead on him and was one delegate away from being nominated as our candidate, and Donald Trump was the alternative, I might vote for Donald Trump,” said Craig Dunn, a local GOP leader who is running to represent Indiana’s 4th Congressional District at the national convention in Cleveland. “I’ve always wanted to own a casino, but he couldn’t give me a casino and have me vote for him.”

Indiana GOP insiders are working to engineer slates of delegates — three from each of nine congressional districts — that will turn their backs on Trump at a contested convention in July. Another 27 will be elected at a state committee meeting next week.

Indiana’s delegates will be bound to the results of the state’s May 3 primary on the first vote in Cleveland, and Trump is expected to be competitive in that contest. (There is no current public polling of the state, but several GOP leaders suggested he'd be competitive in at least a couple of the state's nine Congressional districts.) But if Trump fails to clinch the nomination, they’ll be free to vote their conscience — and that means a rapid rejection of Trump. The state’s Republican national committeeman, John Hammond, has vocally called to reject Trump as well.

That would mark just another blow to Trump’s chances, should the convention go to a second ballot as expected. Though he’s won more votes and state primaries than rivals Ted Cruz and John Kasich, Trump has failed spectacularly to win separate delegate selection battles to his better-organized rivals. Though in most cases, he’s lost because of Cruz’s superior organization, Indiana appears to be a break from the norm. Most of the hostility to Trump there is homegrown.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-indiana-primary-221747

 

[juleswin]

When would the good news. Btw, I called it just about the time he started running and I said that he would lose the nomination. Just the same way Trump threatened to run third party if Ron Paul was nominated, thrashed and insulted him and them predicted that he would not win the party nomination.

So when he eventually fails in his bid, just remember that I called it even though I worked to prevent him from getting the nomination.

Yay for self fulfilling prophecies

 

[openfire]

Indiana GOP insiders are working to engineer slates of delegates

Yes, this is nothing new. We already know that the GOP establishment and their sponsors are against Trump and are hellbent on undermining his campaign. You braggingly post this as though you are elated to see the establishment negate the will of voters... How can a liberty movement ever prevail when people like you fight for the status quo?

 

[Zippyjuan]

The other 30 of the 57 delegates are "winner take all". https://www.270towin.com/2016-republican-nomination/indiana-primary

Delegates 57
Allocation: Winner Take All (Split)

Notes: Winner take all by state (30 delegates) and individual district (9 districts x 3 delegates =27).

Indiana’s delegates will be bound to the results of the state’s May 3 primary on the first vote in Cleveland, and Trump is expected to be competitive in that contest.

That sounds like if Trump wins the popular vote, all 57 have to vote for him in the first round (assuming he also wins each district)- they are free to change in the second.

Primary isn't until May and no election polls are available even.

 

[William R]

He cannot afford to lose Indiana. Remember this when Trump starts crying about having the nomination "stolen" from him.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-indiana-primary-221747

Dumb article. They haven't taken a vote yet. If Trump wins the delegates will be his on the first ballot.

 

[CPUd]

The other 30 of the 57 delegates are "winner take all". https://www.270towin.com/2016-republican-nomination/indiana-primary





That sounds like if Trump wins the popular vote, all 57 have to vote for him in the first round (assuming he also wins each district)- they are free to change in the second.

It is known full well these are bound to the primary results. But it is an early indicator that he may not be as favored in the popular vote as previously expected (see Wisconsin).

 

[CPUd]

Yes, this is nothing new. We already know that the GOP establishment and their sponsors are against Trump and are hellbent on undermining his campaign. You braggingly post this as though you are elated to see the establishment negate the will of voters... How can a liberty movement ever prevail when people like you fight for the status quo?

How are they "undermining his campaign"? They are doing the same thing we did in 2012, and much more successful at so far. If Trump want to win the nomination, he needs to first win the nomination.

 

[openfire]

How are they "undermining his campaign"? They are doing the same thing we did in 2012, and much more successful at so far. If Trump want to win the nomination, he needs to first win the nomination.

He can't win the nomination. Neither could Ron Paul. That's the point.

The difference is that "we" were undermining the establishment - to no avail (because they could, did and will continue to simply change the "rules" or deploy whatever tactics necessary in order to prevent any outsider from winning)

The difference is that either way, the house wins.

 

[CPUd]

If he actually wanted to win the nomination, he would have organization in place at the conventions. His opponents are organizing against him, as they should be; this is still an active race.

 

[CPUd]

The "establishment" were starting to get behind the trump a couple weeks ago, he fucked that up.

 

[openfire]

If he actually wanted to win the nomination, he would have organization in place at the conventions. His opponents are organizing against him, as they should be; this is still an active race.

Agreed. He erred by not doing so from the outset... He was naive to think that he could win it straight up - on votes.

 

[juleswin]

Agreed. He erred by not doing so from the outset... He was naive to think that he could win it straight up - on votes.

That or he never actually planned on getting this far. This is likely a shock to him as it is to the rest of the people who called an early flame out of his campaign. But the more he tried to flame out, the more the idiot masses supported (just votes and not with their money)

 

[RandallFan]

Trump was never ever going to win a 2nd vote with these establishment scumbags without literally handing them bags of cash at some point. These aren't Cruz delegates, which is proven by the fact Kasich has virtually none. These are just people wiling to push this to a 2nd and 3rd vote.

All this bragging from Cruz & establishment types will help trump in the medium term once it is impossible for Cruz to get to 1237. The slimy lawyer fumbles everything, NY values, writing a NAFTA oped with Paul Ryan, running anti trade ads in Wisconsin copying Trump on everything. He's totally going to fumble an explanation to Republican primary voters post-NY how he is definitely going to beat Trump and not enable a trojan horse at the convention.

 

[CPUd]

Trump was never ever going to win a 2nd vote with these establishment scumbags without literally handing them bags of cash at some point. These aren't Cruz delegates, which is proven by the fact Kasich has virtually none. These are just people wiling to push this to a 2nd and 3rd vote.

All this bragging from Cruz & establishment types will help trump in the medium term once it is impossible for Cruz to get to 1237. The slimy lawyer fumbles everything, NY values, writing a NAFTA oped with Paul Ryan, running anti trade ads in Wisconsin copying Trump on everything. He's totally going to fumble an explanation to Republican primary voters post-NY how he is definitely going to beat Trump and not enable a trojan horse at the convention.

They're not just "establishment" running for delegate seats, they are grassroots GOP who prefer they not run a Democrat in the general election, and preferably someone who has at least some knowledge of the job he's running for:

Many of these delegates are not Cruz supporters either, they will break for anyone not named Cruz or Trump the first chance they get.

 

[RandallFan]

Tancredo says their big spending assholes & Tancredo is a Cruz guy.

 

[klamath]

Trump has no one to blame but himself. He would always of had political enemies but he thought he was funny and invincible by making and keeping enemies like attacking Rand after Rand dropped out. He has a lot of establishment against him but created an huge block of other enemies. It adds up. Trump shouldn't have said he would run against Ron when Ron was winning. Trump shouldn't have lied through his teeth throughout the campaign about being against the war from the beginning when he really wasn't.

 

[juleswin]

Trump has no one to blame but himself. He would always of had political enemies but he thought he was funny and invincible by making and keeping enemies like attacking Rand after Rand dropped out. He has a lot of establishment against him but created an huge block of other enemies. It adds up. Trump shouldn't have said he would run against Ron when Ron was winning. Trump shouldn't have lied through his teeth throughout the campaign about being against the war from the beginning when he really wasn't.

That is just emotional manipulation, Trump should be able to demean anyone he wants, insult anyone he wants and threaten anyone he wants without it having any negative effect on him. Anyone trying to hold him accountable to anything is just being prejudice.

Stefan Molywood after reading/watching any criticism of Trump

 

[LibertyEagle]

When would the good news. Btw, I called it just about the time he started running and I said that he would lose the nomination. Just the same way Trump threatened to run third party if Ron Paul was nominated, thrashed and insulted him and them predicted that he would not win the party nomination.

So when he eventually fails in his bid, just remember that I called it even though I worked to prevent him from getting the nomination.

Yay for self fulfilling prophecies

And you can then remind yourself that you actually helped Hillary get elected. Enjoy.

 

[CPUd]

And you can then remind yourself that you actually helped Hillary get elected. Enjoy.

false choice. Opposition to one candidate does not imply support for another.

 

[klamath]

Stefan Molywood after reading/watching any criticism of Trump

Yep he though he could attack and smear anyone that he felt like and keep doing it with no effect. I know he has made me hate him far worse than the last two republican nominees.