Trump's auto tariffs will hit many companies, but Elon Musk's Tesla less so

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Maybe Trump will make the deal of the century. It will be historic.

Guns to Ukraine for minerals.

They tried walking away from the deal last time and now the price has gone up.

They better make a deal quick...before it goes up again.

Maybe Russia makes a deal so we don't sell them weapons. How much is that worth?

Put a sock in it.

 

[nikcers]

Vice President JD Vance visits a U.S. military base in Greenland, accusing Denmark 'under-investing' in Greenland's 'security architecture' against threats from Russia, China and other nations, and that is why President Donald Trump has been saying America needs to have Greenland. Vice President also says, 'We don't think military force will ever be necessary.'

 

[acptulsa]

How much is that worth?

It's your wet dream, O freaky one. You tell me.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Stop deflecting. You're trying to pump up his red herring, but that tire's already flat.

The tariff on Canada hurts American manufacturers more than foreign manufacturers. And when I say "American" and "foreign" I don't just mean where some of the blue collar workers are, I'm talking about where the vast majority of the white collars are.

True or false?

False.
If they are hit by the tariffs then they aren't American manufacturers, they are Canadian.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is doing a targeted punishment of legacy U.S. carmakers because he's peeved at that faggot Trudeau. He doesn't care who gets hurt as collateral damage; he doesn't even care what nationality his victims are.

LOL

He's rightly targeting people who deindustrialized America to undermine the American worker and the country as a whole.

You are are crying for globalists who hate America, Americans, and liberty.

 

[acptulsa]

If they are hit by the tariffs then they aren't American manufacturers, they are Canadian.

God damn.

You think it's wrong that Fords were once built on five continents? You think it's a bad thing that Dodges were once built on six continents?

You think the United States was deindustrialized by the Big Three? The Big Three?

You're delusional. That tripe us so ridiculous, I don't even need to address it. Ridiculing it is enough.

 

[Swordsmyth]

God damn.

You think it's wrong that Fords were once built on five continents? You think it's a bad thing that Dodges were once built on six continents?

You think the United States was deindustrialized by the Big Three? The Big Three?

You're delusional. That tripe us so ridiculous, I don't even need to address it. Ridiculing it is enough.

I think it's wrong that none are built in America anymore, if they want to build cars in other countries for other countries that's fine by me.

You think they're still American when you admit that the vast majority of their blue and white collar jobs are outside the country and that their cars will be imported and hit with tariffs, or you pretend to because you want to use an emotional and fake patriotic argument to support globalism and the destruction of American industry.

 

[acptulsa]

I think it's wrong that none are built in America anymore

And I know for a fact you're wrong if you think that silly shit. Idiot.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And I know for a fact you're wrong if you think that silly shit. Idiot.

Obviously I was being hyperbolic, but we shouldn't be importing ANY, let alone the vast majority, from "American" companies.

You are the one who explained how they were going to be hit hard by tariffs on so many of the cars they make and that so much of their company was not in America.

Just stop trying to convince us they are "American" when you yourself proved they are not.

 

[acptulsa]

Obviously I was being hyperbolic...

You're being hyperbolic when you assert shit as "facts". When you think you're being hyperbolic you're really being batshit crazy.

 

[acptulsa]

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[nikcers]

No tarrifs - would mean taking off the tarrifs that already exist and then China floods our markets with cheap cars below cost until they control the market.

What Trump is doing is putting incentives on building cars in America and because that's the button he has to push he does it with tarrifs.

The congress could create even better incentives to increase supply and bring manufacturing back as well like a decrease in tax for producing more cars in the United States.

Instead there is a tax credit given to companies who make cars outside of the United States.

When they created the tax credits for cars the price of cars went up for the amount of the tax credit.

 

[acptulsa]

No tarrifs - would mean taking off the tarrifs that already exist and then China floods our markets with cheap cars below cost until they control the market.

Why do you keep talking out of your ass? You're dead wrong as usual. Tariffs are one thing, the insane requirements the federal government puts on car design are another. They're all completely contrary to efficient operation -- so much so that China refuses to build that sort of thing for the home market.

They are neither lean nor competitive. They're communist. You're just like the childish liberals who keep insisting that communism is viable. The entire twentieth century is conclusive evidence that both the college liberal airheads and you are completely wrong about that. Why don't you go back and read that old thread I linked to and learn something?

They have nothing that meets those requirements. These days, a car must be designed from the first crossmember up to meet them, or it won't. There's no sign they're working that direction, and it takes a lean, competitive company at least five years to see a clean sheet project to the point where there are prototypes the government can destroy in testing.

If you see cheap Chinese cars on America's horizon you need to put that bong away now. What's with all the baseless fearmongering, attention whore? Whose ass did you pull this out of?

 

[nikcers]

Why do you keep talking out of your ass? You're dead wrong as usual. Tariffs are one thing, the insane requirements the federal government puts on car design are another. They're all completely contrary to efficient operation -- so much so that China refuses to build that sort of thing for the home market.

They are neither lean nor competitive. They're communist. You're just like the childish liberals who keep insisting that communism is viable. The entire twentieth century is conclusive evidence that both the college liberal airheads and you are completely wrong about that. Why don't you go back and read that old thread I linked to and learn something?

They have nothing that meets those requirements. These days, a car must be designed from the first crossmember up to meet them, or it won't. There's no sign they're working that direction, and it takes a lean, competitive company at least five years to see a clean sheet project to the point where there are prototypes the government can destroy in testing.

If you see cheap Chinese cars on America's horizon you need to put that bong away now. What's with all the baseless fearmongering, attention whore? Whose ass did you pull this out of?

We didn't start this trade war.

The EU put taxes on our cars. That's why you don't see American cars in the EU.

India put taxes on Tesla cars made in China

India atleast pretended to make excuses about national security but it was bullshit.

If we are the only country that doesn't fight back we lose. We lose all of the profit from making cars.

 

[PAF]

We didn't start this trade war.

The EU put taxes on our cars. That's why you don't see American cars in the EU.

India put taxes on Tesla cars made in China

India atleast pretended to make excuses about national security but it was bullshit.

If we are the only country that doesn't fight back we lose. We lose all of the profit from making cars.

Fallacy of Reciprocal Tariffs​

 

[nikcers]

Fallacy of Reciprocal Tariffs​

I never did once call it reciprocal tarrifs. I called it a trade war. We tend to win trade wars when we fight back.

We won the trade war over energy under Trump and now we are energy independent. Nobody can shut off our energy like they used to be able to.

In the 90s a middle eastern dictator could invade their neighboring country using weapons they got from the Soviet Union and shut off our energy.

We defeated the Soviet Union with the Reagan strategy of keeping the price of oil low so they made less profits from their exports.

George H.W Bush called supply side economics voodoo economics while he ran against Reagan but as his vice president he supported it. In fact we kept it under president Bush and under Bill Clinton.

When we don't have any conversation about the other trade wars we can't win them. We pay higher prices and they get all the profits when they win them.

 

[acptulsa]

The EU put taxes on our cars. That's why you don't see American cars in the EU.

You get caught peddling misinformation and disinformation, so you change the subject and peddle more misinformation and disinformation and think we will be distracted by it.

Ford doesn't sell U.S. cars in Europe because it has long preferred to sell Ford of England and Ford of Germany (look up Taunus, Einstein) products in the U.S. When they make cars narrow enough to fit down Europe's narrow lanes beside the hedgerows they prefer to make them where they're really needed and export them to places where they're not so popular.

GM and Chrysler did the same before they got themselves in financial trouble and divested. Vauxhall, Opel, Simca and the Rootes Group are good search terms to use if you're interested in basing your future blather in reality. Not that you haven't been perfectly content to make a complete fool of yourself so far.

It wasn't the tariffs that chased them out of Europe. It was insane government regulations, their own chutzpah, and especially, the UAW. But you're too liberal to admit that the union could have been a destructive force in all that, aren't you?

 

[Swordsmyth]

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With Tariffs the internal market will do price discovery, and if the government errs on the side of high prices it will just help build production and competition at home, even if they went so far as to ban imports, if they err on the side of low tariffs then the market will handle the price discovery.

Ron is right about reducing government scope and spending, and ending the empire, but he's completely wrong on Tariffs.

 

[acptulsa]

Ron is... completely wrong...

That makes about eight dozen times you've said that here. And about eight dozen times that everyone here said, well, if he were half as smart as Dr. Paul, or half as wise, or half as trustworthy, that might mean something to me, but as it is...

 

[Swordsmyth]

That makes about eight dozen times you've said that here. And about eight dozen times that everyone here said, well, if he were half as smart as Dr. Paul, or half as wise, or half as trustworthy, that might mean something to me, but as it is...

Ron is a man, he is wrong sometimes, and the times I say so are usually only a small handful of the same subjects.

You are dodging the logical argument and resorting to an appeal to authority.