Trump's auto tariffs will hit many companies, but Elon Musk's Tesla less so

[nikcers]

Trump is doing a targeted punishment of legacy U.S. carmakers because he's peeved at that faggot Trudeau. He doesn't care who gets hurt as collateral damage; he doesn't even care what nationality his victims are.

No we are in a new global competition that we must win.

New cars are AI driving super advanced complex machines running on a completely new energy source (the sun)

Something like this only happens every 100 years or so.

If you had told me when I was a kid that one day cars would run off the sun I wouldn't have believed you.

 

[acptulsa]

So we end up paying them to be nice to us and and to subsidize their country and their government, and it keeps their government in power and it costs us jobs and our cities rot.

Okay. But it has been going on since 1965, and is so entrenched that punishing Canada for sending us cars is punishing U.S. carmakers. As someone has been telling me about why I have to accede to Israel's every bratty whim, that's the existential situation. And we have to deal with it. Don't we?

Mr. Art of the Deal couldn't find a solution that wouldn't cost us lots of American white collar jobs?

 

[nikcers]

Okay. But it has been going on since 1965, and is so entrenched that punishing Canada for sending us cars is punishing U.S. carmakers. As someone has been telling me about why I have to accede to Israel's every bratty whim, that's the existential situation.

Mr. Art of the Deal couldn't find a solution that wouldn't cost us lots of American white collar jobs?

1965 was peak cold war.

Our trade policy to prop up and pay other countries so they don't become communists worked but it costs too much.

If they want protection they have to pay for it now.

 

[nikcers]

You remember the debates with Ross Perot and he talked about the giant sucking from NAFTA where jobs would leave our country?


Well Trump is putting that sucking into reverse.

 

[acptulsa]

1965 was peak cold war.

Our trade policy to prop up and pay other countries so they don't become communists worked but it costs too much.

If they want protection they have to pay for it now.

You quote people like you're going to answer the question but you never have an answer for the question. If Canada wants protection the Big Three has to pay for it? How does that MAGA?

 

[nikcers]

You quote people like you're going to answer the question but you never have an answer for the question. If Canada wants protection the Big Three has to pay for it? How does that MAGA?

The democrat alternative was probably worse- they would probably tax people and borrow money to pay for more tax credits and send the money to Canada to build cars and more auto plants so they can tax the auto plants and workers.

All so there are 100s of middle men between the car buyer and the manufacturer.
The policy worked when we had to pay Canada so that international communism didn't offer a better deal and swoop into Canada the way they did Cuba.

The big giant checks we sent Canada for 60 years worked. They didn't become a communist government on our northern border. We protected them from the communist insurrection. We paid for the communist insurance protection.

Now a lot of people said that we should have done all of this in the 90s when the Soviet Union collapsed and there was a new world order.

We didnt do that though, we didn't want communism to come back. We even as Nixon recommended to Bill Clinton paid the Russians not to be communist.

Even Ron Paul at the time said we should send the Soviet Union welfare and we did.

We sowed the seed to put Vladamir Putin in power and stabilized all of the former Soviet states and helped them become capitalists so they wouldn't get back together.

Now we are in another New World Order and Trump is doing what some people thought we should have done in '91

 

[acptulsa]

The democrat alternative was probably worse

The Democrats didn't have anything to do with it. Cuba didn't have anything to do with it. Putin didn't have anything to do with it. Why is Trump punishing the American Big Three over his hissy fit with Canada?

 

[nikcers]

The Democrats didn't have anything to do with it. Cuba didn't have anything to do with it. Putin didn't have anything to do with it. Why is Trump punishing the American Big Three over his hissy fit with Canada?

We are in a New World Order.

The reason why we are changing the rules of trade?

To take advantage of the rebalancing of the new global order and "seize the moment" as Nixon would say.

Of course our trade policy has to do with the cold war.

Nixon created our previous cold war trade policy.

"Like Richard Nixon, Donald Trump understands that periods of geopolitical reordering offer generational opportunities to update and reconfigure the world system."

A World Reordered

Like Richard Nixon, Donald Trump understands that periods of geopolitical reordering offer generational opportunities to update and reconfigure the world system.

nationalinterest.org

 

[acptulsa]

Like Richard Nixon, Donald Trump understands that periods of geopolitical reordering offer generational opportunities to update and reconfigure the world system.

Obviously Teh Donald doesn't envision a New World Order with U.S.-based gasoline automobile company executives in it.

And you seem to think I have no right to question that, or even point it out.

I'm the one being nationalist, here. You and Teh Donald are the ones on the globalist side.

 

[nikcers]

Obviously Teh Donald doesn't envision a New World Order with U.S.-based gasoline automobile company executives in it.

And you seem to think I have no right to question that, or even point it out

Trump's strategy is going to save American car companys and give us leverage to compete with China for the profit from car sales.

China went all in on this. They were going to put us out of business.

 

[acptulsa]

Trump's strategy is going to save American car companys and give us leverage to compete with China for the profit from car sales.

China went all in on this. They were going to put us out of business.

You're delusional. We don't even need tariffs to keep Chinese cars out. They're famous worldwide for being crap. China doesn't believe cars should be "durable goods". Even Chinese won't buy them if they can afford not to. They buy more Buicks than we do. It's the only place in the world with cars so crappy they make Buicks look good. Can't sell those anywhere else, either.

The Chinese tried selling scooters here several years ago. Nobody who even smelled one of those pieces of shit will ever take a chance on buying a Chinese car.

You're nucking futs. Make up some more fairy tales.

You people make stuff up. You're just as detached from reality as liberals. You'll say any unrelated or unsubstantiated bullshit just to have a quick comeback and keep the toxicity flowing

 

[nikcers]

You're delusional. We don't even need tariffs to keep Chinese cars out. They're famous worldwide for being crap. China doesn't believe cars should be "durable goods". Even Chinese won't buy them if they can afford not to. They buy more Buicks than we do. It's the only place in the world with cars so crappy they make Buicks look good. Can't sell those anywhere else, either.

You're nucking futs. Make up some more fairy tales.

5 years ago they were famous for having crap cars.

Then China subsidized hundreds of car companies to take over the global car market and put them out of business.

The 2nd biggest economy in the world used the economic power of their entire country to take over the entire global car market the way they did with steel.

And it would have happened if the democrats got elected, he said, "it would be a bloodbath", "I am going to go after the middle men."

The only reason why cheap Chinese cars haven't flooded the market is because of tarrifs.

 

[acptulsa]

Then China subsidized hundreds of car companies to take over the global car market and put them out of business.

Whose? Theirs? Or are you alleging China is buying car companies outside China?

Post a link. You so butcher everything you say I'm ready to read someone else say whatever you're trying to express. You're as easy to take seriously as Mother Goose.

Listen carefully. Yes, the Chinese have tried that tactic. If it were going on in the car business last month I'd be interested to hear about it because I usually keep an ear on that rail. But China can't crack the world auto market because people worldwide think vehicles should be durable goods. Communists cant make durable goods. Never could.

Trump's been in office two months and foiled a plot by the Chinese to corner a market they haven't been able to get a toehold in in eighty years if trying. Great fan fiction. When will he tip a cow over the moon?

 

[nikcers]

Whose? Theirs? Or are you alleging China is buying car companies outside China?

Post a link. You so butcher everything you say I'm ready to read someone else say whatever you're trying to express. You're as easy to take seriously as Mother Goose.

Trump's been in office two months and foiled a plot by the Chinese to corner a market they haven't been able to get a toehold in in eighty years if trying. Great fan fiction. When will he tip a cow over the moon?

Yes theirs.

China is communist so they can pay car companies to make cars even when it's not profitable and won't be profitable for years or even decades because they aren't concerned about making profits because their government is paying for it.

They reverse engineer the cars other companies make.

Auto plants are dual use technology.

They can be converted to build weapons and military equipment.

Even Mexico who makes a lot of cars has been buying Chinese cars because they don't have tarrifs on them like we do and China is subsidizing the prices so they are cheap.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes theirs.

China is communist so they can pay car companies to make cars even when it's not profitable and won't be profitable for years or even decades because they aren't concerned about making profits because their government is paying for it.

They reverse engineer the cars other companies make.

Stop the intellectual property fearmongering and tell me where these millions of Chinese cars at right now.

Auto plants are dual use technology.

They can be converted to build weapons and military equipment.

Stop the national defense fearmongering and tell me where these millions of Chinese cars at right now.

Even Mexico who makes a lot of cars has been buying Chinese cars because they don't have tarrifs on them like we do and China is subsidizing the prices so they are cheap.

Stop the economic dumping fearmongering and tell me where these millions of irresistible, cheap, locally legal Chinese cars are in the real world right this minute.

 

[nikcers]

Stop the intellectual property fearmongering and tell me where these millions of Chinese cars at right now.



Stop the national defense fearmongering and tell me where these millions of Chinese cars at right now.



Stop the economic dumping fearmongering and tell me where these millions of irresistible, cheap, locally legal Chinese cars are in the real world right this minute.

Where are these cars? They are taking over the world by storm.

Everywhere but our country because we put tarrifs on Chinese cars.

China Conquers Mexico’s Automotive Market, and the US Is Worried

Led by the automaker BYD, China has established itself as the main car supplier in Mexico. The US worries China could use Mexico as a “back door” to sidestep tariffs and gain footing in the US market.

www.wired.com

 

[acptulsa]

Everywhere but our country because we put tarrifs on Chinese cars.

We'll just set aside for the moment that you think Canada puts tariffs on our cars but not China's.

You say the name brand, and I will either tell you where that company is really headquartered, or I will come up with some sales figures.

Ready? Go!

Jackass.

And for God's sake, they're tariffs already, not tarrifs. No, I'm not a grammar nazi. I'm the spelling sheriff, which is better than being the spelling sherrif.

 

[nikcers]

We'll just set aside for the moment that you think Canada puts tariffs on our cars but not China's.

You say the name brand, and I will either tell you where that company is really headquartered, or I will come up with some sales figures.

Ready? Go!

Jackass.

They threaten to put up trade barriers and our leaders buckle because the policy of the United States was to pay other countries not to become communists.

We even tried to pay China to become our friends. That was what General Douglas MacArthur said to do when we ended the Korean war which we fought against China and what Nixon finally did when he went to China.

We changed our entire economy and strategy after the Vietnam war because we started paying other countries not to become communist and contained it.

It doesn't make sense to use the same strategy because communism in Europe is stamped out.

Even though the communists almost came back to power in Russia we funded the Russian nationalists and now the Russian nationalists have stomped out their opposition.

 

[acptulsa]

It doesn't make sense to use the same strategy because communism in Europe is stamped out.

LOL

You really are living in la la land. The creation of the EU is when Europe graduated from socialism to full blown communism. You think they're overrun by unwelcome immigrants shipped in because they're living in freedom?

You're in a fairy tale. You don't live in your mother's basement. You're living in Mother Hubbard's cupboard.

You still haven't distracted me from your imaginary millions of Chinese cars that were all set to go two months ago before Trump foiled the villainous plan.

 

[nikcers]

LOL

You really are living in la la land. The creation of the EU is when Europe graduated from socialism to full blown communism. You think they're overrun by unwelcome immigrants shipped in because they're living in freedom?

You're in a fairy tale. You don't live in your mother's basement. You're living in Mother Hubbard's cupboard.

The Soviet Union was the threat of the 20th century.

They were a military super power a real threat.

The communists almost came back to power in Russia in the 90s but we funded their opposition.

Vladimir Putin's power grab ended that. His government has consolidated power and they are no longer the military threat they were.