TrumpCare Vote Today 3:30pm EST

Quick story. My friend's mother had skin cancer. Went for years to the same doctor. This was even before she had the cancer. Obamacare came along and she could not go to her same doctor. She fought tooth and nail with the insurance company. Of course she lost. She went back to her own doc. She offered to pay them in cash for a discount. They said yes. She is paying *much much* less for all the tests and procedures. The secretary said the office *hates* and I mean hates to deal with insurance companies. They never know how much reimbursement they will get back. I know other people who offer cash for discounts. If you have a doctor that does it, great. I don't think it ever hurts to offer them cash. Some will negotiate.

I'm glad it is working out for her.

It has been my experience where I live that the cash payer gets the ultimate screwing.

My unfortunate trip to the emergency room cost me 10 times more after Obamacare than a similar visit before.

I suppose I should be thankful, because I was able to negotiate them down from 20 times the cost of my previous visit.

I live in a small town with one hospital and no nearby options.

These people could care less about cash payers.

This hospital publicly supported Obamacare's passage.

As far as individual physicians, there are only a couple independent ones left in my town.

All the rest are members of a hospital-owned group.
 
No, the AHCA could possibly be worse, and is very likely at least as bad as what we have now.

Trump didn't want this turd to pass, he just had to support it so Paul Ryan can get the axe.

Riight..

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It is that I think Trump wants to pass the bill he's spent all his political capital trying to pass.

No, he just went all in so that he didn't blamed and all the blame could be placed squarely on Paul Ryan. If he didn't give his 100% it would have been blamed on Trump.
 
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That was a great argument.

The problem is that you know if Trump had done anything to hurt the chances of the bill passing, it would have been blamed on him, and they couldn't blame it on Paul Ryan.
 
That was a great argument.

Agreed

The problem is that you know if Trump had done anything to hurt the chances of the bill passing, it would have been blamed on him, and they couldn't blame it on Paul Ryan I will believe anything that orangutan says, anything (!); I'll even make things up to rationalize his actions. Just can't get enough of that orange television character, mm..mm..

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That was a great argument.

The problem is that you know if Trump had done anything to hurt the chances of the bill passing, it would have been blamed on him, and they couldn't blame it on Paul Ryan.

Just trying to understand your delusion... Why is Trump blaming the democrats, then? Is it to further his charade?
 
No, the AHCA could possibly be worse, and is very likely at least as bad as what we have now.

Trump didn't want this turd to pass, he just had to support it so Paul Ryan can get the axe.

Hey, you're two for one this time!

Don't worry, surely the trumpettes will be along soon enough, to do one or more of the following:
A) Argue about the meaning of words like "cut", "spending", "military", "entitlement", "increase", and "budget"
B) Tell us that their authoritarian idol really didn't mean what he said
C) Tell us that this is a brilliant move in a game of 3-D chess that only trumpettes are capable of understanding
D) Tell us that it's ok because obomba did it first
E) Tell us that it's ok because it would have been horrible if clinton had done the very same thing
F) Tell us that this is what Liberty and Freedom really mean
G) Call CPUd names
 
Yes, it's brilliant chess, yes, the AHCA debacle positions Trump better over Ryan in the long term, and yes, the same circle of arrogant anti-Trump posters who were wrong about him not being able to get the nomination, or not being able to win the election, will be shown to be wrong about his ability to end Obamacare. This Bannon story indicates Trump's chief advisor is not on board with Ryancare, and perhaps never was:

Why Steve Bannon Might Be the Winner of the GOP’s Health-Care Civil War
By Gabriel Sherman

...The failure to repeal and replace Obamacare would be a stinging defeat for Trump. But it would be an even bigger defeat for Paul Ryan, who has all but staked his Speakership on passing this bill. And in the hall of mirrors that is Washington, the big winner to emerge out of the health-care debacle could be Steve Bannon. That’s because Bannon has been waging war against Ryan for years. For Bannon, Ryan is the embodiment of the “globalist-corporatist” Republican elite. A failed bill would be Bannon’s best chance yet to topple Ryan and advance his nationalist-populist economic agenda.

Publicly, Bannon has been working to help the bill pass. But privately he’s talked it down in recent days. According to a source close to the White House, Bannon said that he’s unhappy with the Ryan bill because it “doesn’t drive down costs” and was “written by the insurance industry.” While the bill strips away many of Obamacare’s provisions, it does not go as far as Bannon would wish to “deconstruct the administrative state” in the realm of health care. Furthermore, Bannon has been distancing himself from the bill to insulate himself from political fallout of it failing. He’s told people that Trump economic adviser Gary Cohn — a West Wing rival — has run point on it. (Bannon did not respond to a request for comment.)

Whether or not the bill passes, Ryan has been weakened, the pro-Breitbart Freedom Caucus has been emboldened. It’s hard to see how the Republican health-care civil war hasn’t been a boon for Bannon.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/bannon-health-care-bill.html
 
This actually puts Trump in a great position. After blaming everything on Ryan, the HFC and cuckschumer, they have seen his tremendous dealmaking skills firsthand, and how he can really pull the room together. They will be so eager to work with him on tax reform, F-35s and trillion dollar bridges.
 
This actually puts Trump in a great position. After blaming everything on Ryan, the HFC and cuckschumer, they have seen his tremendous dealmaking skills firsthand, and how he can really pull the room together. They will be so eager to work with him on tax reform, F-35s and trillion dollar bridges.

I think you are trying too hard.:cool:
 
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