TrumpCare Vote Today 3:30pm EST

dannno said:
so Paul Ryan can get the axe.
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Get rid of Paul Ryan, the rising conservative star of the Tea Party?

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This was the most decisive showing of libertarian muscle in the federal government that I remember seeing during my lifetime. Breathtaking.

I hope it's as much of a game changer as it feels like. What a great day.

trump will blame Democrats, but Rand deserves all the credit.
 
undergroundrr said:
This was the most decisive showing of libertarian muscle in the federal government that I remember seeing during my lifetime. Breathtaking.

I hope it's as much of a game changer as it feels like. What a great day.

trump will blame Democrats, but Rand deserves all the credit.
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Agreed. Rand was THE most vocal opponent to this... he hit every news and talk show, provided cover for many house members, and rallied the troops. I think this is a great day and a great win. As Rand said, "Now is when the negotiations can begin."

SMALL GOVERNMENT OR GTFO....

Obamacare will continue to implode [falls squarely on the democrats], Republicans can now put forth something that would actually pass [like all the small government solutions they campaigned on!], and Rand Paul gets some major big boy seat at the table.
 
jllundqu said:
Trump just said "We just pulled it" minutes before the House vote!
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jllundqu said:
Agreed. Rand was THE most vocal opponent to this... he hit every news and talk show, provided cover for many house members, and rallied the troops. I think this is a great day and a great win. As Rand said, "Now is when the negotiations can begin."

SMALL GOVERNMENT OR GTFO....

Obamacare will continue to implode [falls squarely on the democrats], Republicans can now put forth something that would actually pass [like all the small government solutions they campaigned on!], and Rand Paul gets some major big boy seat at the table.
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Meaning dannno and jilundqu have been on the right track throughout this discussion. The establishment thought they could freeze out Rand and other pro-liberty opponents of Obamacare lite and squeeze enough votes to get another nothing-burger into law. I.e., they thought they could simply take back control and do the usual corporate co-opting of campaign issues. Trump has been playing along, but is aware of the routine and the swampsters at work. Bannon et al advisors have war gamed this out to a conclusion that keeps Trump, and not the Ryan regime in the leadership position at the end of the day:

Health Care Bill’s Failure: Just Part of the ‘Art of the Deal’
by Jeff Pollak
24 Mar 2017

Exactly two weeks ago, this author predicted the defeat of the American Health Care Act — and explained that it was a step towards the final, actual deal that will repeal and replace Obamacare.

President Donald Trump faces three irreconcilable factions: the GOP establishment, conservatives, and Democrats. He must bring them together — to “deliver the goods,” a key rule in The Art of the Deal. But first he must show them “the downside” — and convince them they will fail on their own.

The most difficult faction to deal with is the Republican establishment — not because they are politically strong, but because on policy issues like health care, they are convinced that they have all the answers and that Trump just does not understand.

So he let them make the first move — and he exposed two things about them: first, that they had not come up with a plan that was ready for prime time; second, that they had not done any of the political legwork necessary to sell their plan to voters.

Trump gave Speaker Paul Ryan and the House Republican leadership enough rope to hang themselves. Instead of dictating terms to him, they will now depend on him to save them, politically. They must accept whatever plan he will put forward.

But Trump will not make the next move. He will let the conservatives move first. They are the big winners in the first round — much more so than the Democrats, who are enjoying the spectacle of Republican dysfunction but have no role to play yet.

The conservatives will proceed with their demand for a full repeal of Obamacare. And then they will face the ire of voters who are deeply unhappy with Obamacare but upset about losing the paltry, expensive health insurance they currently have.

That, too, will strengthen Trump, and convince conservatives they need his leadership.

Whereupon Trump will turn to the moderate Democrats and offer them a deal — perhaps catastrophic health coverage in exchange for repealing Obamacare.

Democrats would take that deal because they would see a government-backed catastrophic insurance system as a possible path to the universal health care system of their dreams. Republicans would take that deal — after exhausting all of the other options — because it would leave enough room for the free market to provide insurance for most health issues, and for states to experiment with their own policies. And the more health care stakeholders who can be brought into the process, the better.

To quote Morpheus, from the Matrix Reloaded: “What happened, happened, and couldn’t have happened any other way.”
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/24/health-care-bill-failure-art-of-the-deal/
 
Peace&Freedom said:
Meaning dannno and jilundqu have been on the right track throughout this discussion. The establishment thought they could freeze out Rand and other pro-liberty opponents of Obamacare lite and squeeze enough votes to get another nothing-burger into law. I.e., they thought they could simply take back control and do the usual corporate co-opting of campaign issues. Trump has been playing along, but is aware of the routine and the swampsters at work. Bannon et al advisors have war gamed this out to a conclusion that keeps Trump, and not the Ryan regime in the leadership position at the end of the day:



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/24/health-care-bill-failure-art-of-the-deal/
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Until we can clean house, I don't think Bannon and Co. can hold out for the long run. Kushner/Cohn must be neutralized, but DJT has a severe soft spot for his Princess. We need to see some scalps and soon. Our guys need to be manipulating Trump as opposed to the New Yorkers.
 
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Quick story. My friend's mother had skin cancer. Went for years to the same doctor. This was even before she had the cancer. Obamacare came along and she could not go to her same doctor. She fought tooth and nail with the insurance company. Of course she lost. She went back to her own doc. She offered to pay them in cash for a discount. They said yes. She is paying *much much* less for all the tests and procedures. The secretary said the office *hates* and I mean hates to deal with insurance companies. They never know how much reimbursement they will get back. I know other people who offer cash for discounts. If you have a doctor that does it, great. I don't think it ever hurts to offer them cash. Some will negotiate.
 
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