Trump: "We're gonna have to send more weapons (to Ukraine)"

nikcers said:
We do make money. Our country does and our country pays for our government and our government sells freedom and our country makes the freedom.

We didnt create the concept that freedom has a cost. Freedom has always had a cost for 100,000 years.

We just marketed freedom and sold it and sell it at such a profit that it pays for our freedom and even invests in the freedom of the future of our country.
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I didn't say "we." I said "the government."

I don't make any money off of the MIC.
 
Invisible Man said:
I didn't say "we." I said "the government."

I don't make any money off of the MIC.
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Every business transaction you do that isn't forced is money that you make because our country bought that freedom.

Not only did our ancestors pay for the freedom our country has with their blood and treasure but we have a union membership that means you are a part of the United States Union

It has union dues but the benefits you get from being part of the union are worth more than what you pay into it.

Outside of our union you dont get access to our markets and you dont get protection that protects your liberty.

So if you go outside of it in a place like Russia or North Korea you might find yourself a slave.
 
nikcers said:
Every business transaction you do that isn't forced is money that you make because our country bought that freedom.
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No. Our government impedes that freedom. It doesn't provide it.

There does not exist anywhere in the world a greater enemy to the freedom of the American people than the regime in Washington, DC.
 
Invisible Man said:
No. Our government impedes that freedom. It doesn't provide it.

There does not exist anywhere in the world a greater enemy to the freedom of the American people than the regime in Washington, DC.
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No it doesnt impede on freedom our government works for us. Our government is created to secure our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thats how other governments work that arent in our union.

Before our government was created everyone was a subject to the King.

In our country the people have the guns and the government works for us. Its not like other governments where the government has the guns and the people work for the government.
 
nikcers said:
Every business transaction you do that isn't forced is money that you make because our country bought that freedom.

Not only did our ancestors pay for the freedom our country has with their blood and treasure
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Can we go back to being ruled by the British? I preferred it when the biggest tax I had to worry about was a 2% tax on tea.
 
nikcers said:
No it doesnt impede on freedom our government works for us. Our government is created to secure our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thats how other governments work that arent in our union.

Before our government was created everyone was a subject to the King.

In our country the people have the guns and the government works for us. Its not like other governments where the government has the guns and the people work for the government.
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You are wrong on all counts.
 
TheTexan said:
Can we go back to being ruled by the British? I preferred it when the biggest tax I had to worry about was a 2% tax on tea.
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That wasnt what the war was over. It was over free speech and liberty. They started taxing our speech and the Americans didn't like censorship.

You know like in the UK where they dont have guns and the government puts people in jail for saying stuff they dont like.

There were a whole lot of other grievances but Americans really didn't like being taxed on their speech.
 
nikcers said:
That wasnt what the war was over. It was over free speech and liberty. They started taxing our speech and the Americans didn't like censorship.

You know like in the UK where they dont have guns and the government puts people in jail for saying stuff they dont like.

There were a whole lot of other grievances but Americans really didn't like being taxed on their speech.
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Add up all the grievances the American colonists suffered under British rule, and it doesn't add up to the degree of violations of our rights that we are currently enduring under the regime in DC.

Yes, it's true that people in the UK are also less free today. But it has never been the case that what obtains in the UK itself must obtain in the colonies. In the 1990s Hong Kong was still a British colony, and it was more free than the UK or the USA at that time. We could have been like that if we hadn't exchanged 1 tyrant 4,000 miles away for 4,000 tyrants 1 mile away.
 
Invisible Man said:
Add up all the grievances the American colonists suffered under British rule, and it doesn't add up to the degree of violations of our rights that we are currently enduring under the regime in DC.

Yes, it's true that people in the UK are also less free today. But it has never been the case that what obtains in the UK itself must obtain in the colonies. In the 1990s Hong Kong was still a British colony, and it was more free than the UK or the USA at that time. We could have been like that if we hadn't exchanged 1 tyrant 4,000 miles away for 4,000 tyrants 1 mile away.
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Thats not how it was though. The taxes Britain put on their colonys were crushing. Thats why the revolution happened.

They deindustrialized India and starved 10s of millions of them to death.

They strip mined every resource they could out of India and a billion people live in poverty like slaves.

The taxes that Britain put on the American colonys were no less crippling.

Hong Kong was conquered. Their freedom was wiped away because they couldn't defend themselves.
 
nikcers said:
Hong Kong was conquered. Their freedom was wiped away because they couldn't defend themselves.
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And yet, in that state, as British colonists, they were more free by far than you and I are today.

Was the population there the free people you say they were prior to being colonized? I doubt it. But that's really beside the point.
 
Invisible Man said:
And yet, in that state, as British colonists, they were more free by far than you and I are today.
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They arent any more free. They are ruled by China. They were ruled by Britain.

When COVID happened they plundered all of the wealth and they couldnt afford medicine or to pay for the Healthcare costs and millions of people died.

Britain sold them to China like slaves.
 
nikcers said:
They arent any more free. They are ruled by China. They were ruled by Britain.

When COVID happened they plundered all of the wealth and they couldnt afford medicine or to pay for the Healthcare costs and millions of people died.

Britain sold them to China like slaves.
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Why do you change my words like that? I didn't say they "are" more free being ruled by China. I said they "were" more free as a British colony.
 
nikcers said:
How high? Britain fought a war with France at the time and wanted to force the American colonies to pay for it.

The taxes were so high we were slaves.
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How high were they?

Give me a percent of a typical person's income that was going to taxes.
 
Invisible Man said:
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No thats just incorrect.

Prior to the revolution they had just increased taxes to pay for Britain's war with France.

The taxes they passed werent 2%.

Then you have the fact that Britain sold Hong Kong to China.

How would you like it if I sold you to China?

If you want to be ruled so badly let's fucking go. I'll sell you to China like North Korea sells their women to China.

You can get raped by a Chinese man and then when they are done with you they will harvest your god damn organs.
 
Every transaction that had a paper trail every playing card everything had to have the kings stamp on it. If you sent a letter to your friend in Virginia you were paying for someone else's god damn war so they can conquer those people and make them slaves.

Thats what sparked the fucking revolution.
 
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