Trump: "We're going to help the people of Gaza get some food"

[69360]

Cutting ties with Israel wouldnt be good for either country.

The result would be the destruction of Israel which is simply an outcome that would be bad for both of our countries.

They have a lot of our sensitive military technology and secrets and their own dangerous military technologies which if it got into the wrong hands it would threaten us.

Can you imagine if a hostile power got ahold of even their submarine launched nuclear weapons?

Why do you believe Israel can not handle it's own defense?

 

[nikcers]

Why do you believe Israel can not handle it's own defense?

Most countries dont have defense independence. Even really huge countries with some of the biggest economys in the world import defense.

We export defense to 100s of countries. Its our most valuable export.

By cutting ties that would mean we dont even sell them replacement parts for their F-35 jets. They cant produce their own fighter jet parts.

We cut ties with Iran's government after their Islamic revolution and they couldn't get helicopter parts. Their president died in a helicopter crash because they cant produce their own helicopter and they couldn't buy parts.

 

[69360]

Most countries dont have defense independence. Even really huge countries with some of the biggest economys in the world import defense.

We export defense to 100s of countries. Its our most valuable export.

By cutting ties that would mean we dont even sell them replacement parts for their F-35 jets. They cant produce their own fighter jet parts.

We cut ties with Iran's government after their Islamic revolution and they couldn't get helicopter parts. Their president died in a helicopter crash because they cant produce their own helicopter and they couldn't buy parts.

That's a generalized answer. You suggested Israel would be destroyed without US support. I don't believe that is true. I don't agree with their government but they have an impressive standing military, a robust MIC of their own (Iron dome and the Uzi come to mind right away) and nuclear deterrent. They would be fine.

 

[nikcers]

That's a generalized answer. You suggested Israel would be destroyed without US support. I don't believe that is true. I don't agree with their government but they have an impressive standing military, a robust MIC of their own (Iron dome and the Uzi come to mind right away) and nuclear deterrent. They would be fine.

They don't have a military industrial complex that can compete with hostile countries that have population sizes greater than 10 times their size.

They would have in fact lost the Gaza war if they didn't have air superiority or basically the modern air power and air defense the USA helped them build.

Not only did we help them with their Iron Dome but their aerial vehicles and GPS guided smart bombs are only possible and affordable because of the scale and reliability of the US military industrial complex.

The US in fact pioneered this kind of warfare the king of warfare which is air power in WW2 and the Vietnam War and then the 1st gulf war.

We spent 80 years developing it. Hamas tried to fight a Vietnam style insurgency but modern air power is much more advanced than during the Vietnam war.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I see.

So, an anonymous source claims Trump is turning on Netanyahu/Izrahell, and that should be supported as trustworthy because it makes Trump look good.

His own ambassador refuting these rumors is just another lying Christian playing his part in the "Grand Chessboard", because it doesn't make Trump look good.

Got it.

No, we trust the sources that align with what we can see happening.
And what we see happening is Trump not giving Israel what it wants, like war with Iran.

 

[acptulsa]

No, we trust the sources that align with what we can see happening.

What Israel wants more is to demolish Gaza.

Don't pretend you never did the type of trick where a kid asks the parents for a pony to make a bicycle seem a reasonable request.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What Israel wants more is to demolish Gaza.

Don't pretend you never did the type of trick where a kid asks the parents for a pony to make a bicycle seem a reasonable request.

Trump made them stop and have a ceasefire when they didn't want to, then Hamas decided to break the deal and not release the hostages, Trump gave them an ultimatum and when they still didn't release the hostages he told Israel they could start again.

 

[acptulsa]

Trump made them stop and have a ceasefire when they didn't want to

What ceasefire? You think Israel cared whether or not India and Pakistan were shooting at each other?

 

[Swordsmyth]

What ceasefire? You think Israel cared whether or not India and Pakistan were shooting at each other?

LOL

Is your memory that short, or is it just selective? nobody said anything about India/Pakistan

After 15 months of horrific bombardment in the Gaza Strip, a ceasefire agreement was finally reached in the last days of the Biden Administration and with the involvement of officials from the incoming Trump Administration.

https://arabcenterdc.org/event/the-gaza-ceasefire-deal-and-the-trump-administration-politics-prospects-and-implications/

The Gaza Ceasefire Deal and the Trump Administration: Politics, Prospects, and Implications - Arab Center Washington DC

Experts discuss the ceasefire and prisoner exchange agreement between Israel and Hamas, its prospects and challenges, the role of the United States and the Trump Administration, and implications for Palestine/Israel and for the region.

arabcenterdc.org

President Donald Trump on Wednesday issued what he called a “last warning” to Hamas to release all remaining hostages held in Gaza, directing a sharply worded message after the White House confirmed that he had recently dispatched an envoy for unprecedented direct talks with the militant group.

In a statement on his Truth Social platform soon after meeting at the White House with eight former hostages, Trump added that he was “sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job.”

“Release all of the Hostages now, not later, and immediately return all of the dead bodies of the people you murdered, or it is OVER for you,” Trump said. “Only sick and twisted people keep bodies, and you are sick and twisted!”

The pointed language from Trump came after the White House said Wednesday that U.S. officials have engaged in “ongoing talks and discussions” with Hamas officials, stepping away from a long-held U.S. policy of not directly engaging with the militant group.

Confirmation of the talks in the Qatari capital of Doha came as the Israel-Hamas ceasefire remains in the balance.

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-israel-trump-ceasefire-bdc21f862b073dd478e0960ebfbf71e3

Trump issues 'last warning' to Hamas to release all remaining hostages held in Gaza

The pointed language from Trump came after the White House said Wednesday that U.S. officials have engaged in “ongoing talks and discussions” with Hamas officials.

apnews.com

 

[acptulsa]

After 15 months of horrific bombardment in the Gaza Strip, a ceasefire agreement was finally reached in the last days of the Biden Administration and with the involvement of officials from the incoming Trump Administration.

But the shooting didn't stop.

Is this like the Inflation Reduction Act? Or did Trump just ask Netanyahu to start shooting again because it was a Biden thing?

 

[Swordsmyth]

But the shooting didn't stop.

Is this like the Inflation Reduction Act? Or did Trump just ask Netanyahu to start shooting again because it was a Biden thing?

It did stop.
There was a ceasefire and some prisoners were exchanged.

 

[acptulsa]

Liar.

"May 10, 2025 6:51 PM EDT
DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza City (AP) — Israeli airstrikes overnight and into Saturday killed at least 23 Palestinians in Gaza, including three children and their parents whose tent was bombed in Gaza City, health officials said."

Israeli airstrikes kill 23 people in Gaza as international outcry over aid blockade grows

Israeli airstrikes overnight and into Saturday killed at least 23 Palestinians in Gaza, including three children and their parents whose tent was bombed in Gaza City, health officials said.

www.pbs.org

You're so desperate to make excuses for your lame-assed orange julius caesar that you're endorsing shit Biden did that didn't work. How hypocritical is that?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Liar.

"May 10, 2025 6:51 PM EDT
DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza City (AP) — Israeli airstrikes overnight and into Saturday killed at least 23 Palestinians in Gaza, including three children and their parents whose tent was bombed in Gaza City, health officials said."

Israeli airstrikes kill 23 people in Gaza as international outcry over aid blockade grows

Israeli airstrikes overnight and into Saturday killed at least 23 Palestinians in Gaza, including three children and their parents whose tent was bombed in Gaza City, health officials said.

www.pbs.org

You're so desperate to make excuses for your lame-assed orange julius caesar that you're endorsing shit Biden did that didn't work. How hypocritical is that?

LOL

Trump gave them his ultimatum in MARCH, they didn't hand over all the hostages so the ceasefire ended, you dug up part of the fighting TOW MONTHS later.

 

[acptulsa]

TOW MONTHS

You can't break down by the side of the road in a month that has an R in it?

How do you explain that the Biden puppetmasters did it, not Trump as you claim in post #49? How do you explain that the facts are just the opposite, that Trump obviously didn't make them desist shooting at each other, but rather seemingly gave Israel an excuse to get right back to it?

Like I said. You're a liar.

Except you never ask, do you? You just preach lies. And you don't consider us friends, do you? Because we're conservatives, and you just want a different flavor of stupid big government liberalism.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You can't break down by the side of the road in a month that has an R in it?

How do you explain that the Biden puppetmasters did it, not Trump as you claim in post #49? How do you explain that the facts are just the opposite, that Trump obviously didn't make them desist shooting at each other, but rather seemingly gave Israel an excuse to get right back to it?

Like I said. You're a liar.

Except you never ask, do you? You just preach lies. And you don't consider us friends, do you? Because we're conservatives, and you just want a different flavor of stupid big government liberalism.

You're the liar.
You claimed the ceasefire didn't stop the fighting and cited fighting that took place AFTER the ceasefire ended.

And you failed reading comprehension AGAIN:

After 15 months of horrific bombardment in the Gaza Strip, a ceasefire agreement was finally reached in the last days of the Biden Administration and with the involvement of officials from the incoming Trump Administration.

https://arabcenterdc.org/event/the-gaza-ceasefire-deal-and-the-trump-administration-politics-prospects-and-implications/

The Gaza Ceasefire Deal and the Trump Administration: Politics, Prospects, and Implications - Arab Center Washington DC

Experts discuss the ceasefire and prisoner exchange agreement between Israel and Hamas, its prospects and challenges, the role of the United States and the Trump Administration, and implications for Palestine/Israel and for the region.

arabcenterdc.org

Biden failed, Trump's people got involved and it happened.

 

[acptulsa]

with the involvement of officials from the incoming Trump Administration.

Biden failed, Trump's people got involved and it happened

Oh, is that what that means...

Gee, he sure doesn't measure up to Eisenhower, does he? Ike made a mere cease fire that has lasted 71 years. Is that why you love Trump so much? You figure he always sets the bar so low that he might even like you?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, is that what that means...

Gee, he sure doesn't measure up to Eisenhower, does he? Ike made a mere cease fire that has lasted 71 years. Is that why you love Trump so much? You figure he always sets the bar so low that he might even like you?

Trump doesn't control the terrorists in Hamas, if they break the deal he got Israel to give them that's not his fault.

Meanwhile, Israel isn't going to like this much:

https://i0.wp.com/www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/image-113.png?w=666&ssl=1

 

[acptulsa]

Trump doesn't control the terrorists in Hamas

One, what proof do you have that they were the ones who broke it? And two, whatever happened to this guy? Is he dead?

Israel will like that development just fine, because it's hard to pretend gun control works, and conduct another Oct. 7-style false flag too.

 

[Swordsmyth]

One, what proof do you have that they were the ones who broke it? And two, whatever happened to this guy? Is he dead?

Israel will like that development just fine, because it's hard to pretend gun control works, and conduct another Oct. 7-style false flag too.

The proof they broke it is that they never released all the hostages as the deal required.
Trump got a deal, and then one of the parties broke it, he can't sue them so he let Israel go back to attacking them.

And Israel will hate any deal that ends the war, they hated the last one and they will hate this one, they may even be the ones who refuse to agree or break it this time, they intend to take Gaza back and evict the Palestinians now.

 

[acptulsa]

The proof they broke it is that they never released all the hostages as the deal required.

Neither you nor I have any proof Hamas has all the people in custody that Israel alleges they do.

Trump got a deal, and then one of the parties broke it, he can't sue them so he let Israel go back to attacking them.

Lousy deal. And I don't think Netanyahu asked his permission.

And Israel will hate any deal that ends the war, they hated the last one and they will hate this one, they may even be the ones who refuse to agree or break it this time, they intend to take Gaza back and evict the Palestinians now.

Israel is something you're not -- flexible. If they feel enough international pressure coming, they'll back off and consolidate their gains. They'll go right back to the long game they've been playing since before either of us was born. And as I said, Hamas still officially having arms will facilitate their next false flag attack.