Trump: "We Will Ban Urban Camping Wherever Possible"

[PAF]

Former President Donald Trump's plan to end homelessness is to criminalize it, an idea critics find appalling.

"Under my strategy, working with states, we will ban urban camping wherever possible," Trump said in a video released Tuesday. "Violators of these bans will be arrested, but they will be given the option to accept treatment and services if they're willing to be rehabilitated."

There were nearly 600,000 Americans experiencing homelessness last year, and according to the National Alliance to End Homelessness (NAEH), there has been an organized effort across the country to make homelessness illegal. Several states have already enacted bills along these lines, including Texas, Tennessee and Missouri, NAEH states on its website.

In California, the state with the largest homeless population, Trump in 2019 demanded their removal from Los Angeles and other cities in the state, The Washington Post reported at the time, stating Trump pushed for White House officials to get homeless people off the streets and into government-backed facilities.

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"It is blatant in the Constitution that you can't arrest people just because they don't have a home," Mills said. "But more importantly, it doesn't work. People are not homeless because they're afraid of punishments. People are homeless because they don't have a home."

The civil rights lawyer said any time homelessness is criminalized, it results in people being much less likely to reach out to social services or nonprofit groups for fear that they will be reported for a crime. He said it can have even further implications by discouraging those who would normally volunteer or aid the homeless.

Trump said his proposal calls for creating "tent cities" and relocating homeless people to "large parcels of inexpensive land" with access to doctors, psychiatrists, social workers and drug rehab specialists. He claims his plan will once again make cities "livable" and "beautiful."

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Ann Oliva, chief executive officer for NAEH, also condemned Trump's plan, calling it "alarming and dangerous in numerous ways," she told Newsweek in an email Wednesday.

"The way to end homelessness is not to arrest people and move them out of sight into internment camps," Oliva said. "Jail isn't housing. Prison isn't housing. Tent cities aren't housing. Housing, with services tailored to people's specific needs, must be at the center of any plan to end homelessness. Prioritizing any immediate strategy other than housing is a red herring—a political ploy to divert attention from the real resources communities need while 'othering' people in the most vulnerable situations imaginable."

While social media users were divided on the plan, many found it "abhorrent". VoteVets, a veterans advocacy group, said on Twitter that rather than continue the progress of helping homeless veterans, "Trump wants to find them and toss them into what can best be described as internment camps."



Full article:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-wants-make-homelessness-illegal-1795202
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[PAF]

Federalized Stop and Frisk, and now Federalized Internment Camps that the "conspiracy theorists" warned about?

What, Trump, the self-described libertarian doesn't believe in local community and volunteers, so now he wants everything Federalized, and those who don't comply go to prison to get "government rehabilitation"?

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Federalized Stop and Frisk, and now Federalized Internment Camps that the "conspiracy theorists" warned about?

What, Trump, the self-described libertarian doesn't believe in local community and volunteers, so now he wants everything Federalized, and those who don't comply go to prison to get "government rehabilitation"?

TimLyingCast "libertarians flocking to Trump"


I wonder many actual libertarians would be moving to towards after they see his polices?

 

[Snowball]

more blabber from the blabber king

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Chase Oliver has been an advocate for the unhoused (aka mentally ill and addicts living on the streets) in the past.

"It is blatant in the Constitution that you can't arrest people just because they don't have a home," Mills said. "But more importantly, it doesn't work. People are not homeless because they're afraid of punishments. People are homeless because they don't have a home."

Complete bullshit. Anybody that needs help can get help in many ways, paid for by taxpayers. These people on the streets don't want to utilize those services because they don't want to stop using drugs.

"Camping" on the streets is a joke. There are encampments that are populated by the mentally ill and addicts. They are not "camping", they are trespassing. They are littering. Crime comes hand in hand with it. Theft mainly, but also assaults and even murder.

 

[PAF]

Chase Oliver has been an advocate for the unhoused (aka mentally ill and addicts living on the streets) in the past.



Complete bull$#@!. Anybody that needs help can get help in many ways, paid for by taxpayers. These people on the streets don't want to utilize those services because they don't want to stop using drugs.

"Camping" on the streets is a joke. There are encampments that are populated by the mentally ill and addicts. They are not "camping", they are trespassing. They are littering. Crime comes hand in hand with it. Theft mainly, but also assaults and even murder.

You are sending a mixed message here, just because you don't like Chase Oliver. Leaving Chase Oliver out of the equation [who wasn't even mentioned in the OP article], are you implying that you do support Trump's Government Internment Tent Camps and Federalized Ban to "clean up the mess"?

Leaving Chase out of the equation, I believe that it should be up to the local community, churches, volunteers, to address. I do not support or condone me living in one town and having to pay for the homeless in another town, clear across the state, or the other side of the country. In other words, I do not support or condone Trump's Federalized "Plan".

 

[Matt Collins]

Where does the Constitution give the federal government the authority to have anything to do with this issue?

 

[Invisible Man]

Chase Oliver has been an advocate for the unhoused (aka mentally ill and addicts living on the streets) in the past.



Complete bullshit. Anybody that needs help can get help in many ways, paid for by taxpayers. These people on the streets don't want to utilize those services because they don't want to stop using drugs.

"Camping" on the streets is a joke. There are encampments that are populated by the mentally ill and addicts. They are not "camping", they are trespassing. They are littering. Crime comes hand in hand with it. Theft mainly, but also assaults and even murder.

Trespassing and littering are already illegal. And I don't see why they should be federal issues.

 

[Invisible Man]

Where does the Constitution give the federal government the authority to have anything to do with this issue?

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Matt Collins again."

 

[CaptUSA]

You are sending a mixed message here, just because you don't like Chase Oliver. Leaving Chase Oliver out of the equation [who wasn't even mentioned in the OP article], are you implying that you do support Trump's Government Internment Tent Camps and Federalized Ban to "clean up the mess"?

Leaving Chase out of the equation, I believe that it should be up to the local community, churches, volunteers, to address. I do not support or condone me living in one town and having to pay for the homeless in another town, clear across the state, or the other side of the country. In other words, I do not support or condone Trump's Federalized "Plan".

I don't support a federalized plan, either, but I do support enforcing trespassing laws. And that includes trespassing on government owned properties.

But, as someone who has camped in urban environments, I'd hate to see that completely eliminated. In fact, just like with state-owned lands, there's an opportunity for a small revenue stream. Camping permits with a limit on the number of days for certain properties. The truth is that these people aren't "camping" - they're choosing to live like this because it's tolerated.

 

[PAF]

But, as someone who has camped in urban environments, I'd hate to see that completely eliminated. In fact, just like with state-owned lands, there's an opportunity for a small revenue stream. Camping permits with a limit on the number of days for certain properties. The truth is that these people aren't "camping" - they're choosing to live like this because it's tolerated.

I am not one to blanket statement anybody. While there may be a percentage of that happening, there is also a percentage who may be mentally ill, simply passing through [as I have done and have been questioned by it], cast to the side perhaps because facilities are at capacity, etc. etc. which is why I stated:

I believe that it should be up to the local community...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You are sending a mixed message here, just because you don't like Chase Oliver. Leaving Chase Oliver out of the equation [who wasn't even mentioned in the OP article], are you implying that you do support Trump's Government Internment Tent Camps and Federalized Ban to "clean up the mess"?

Leaving Chase out of the equation, I believe that it should be up to the local community, churches, volunteers, to address. I do not support or condone me living in one town and having to pay for the homeless in another town, clear across the state, or the other side of the country. In other words, I do not support or condone Trump's Federalized "Plan".

I didn't say anywhere that I support a federalized plan. But Federal money is already used, as well as State and local taxpayer money.

I take issue with the use of Marxist language to diminish crime and criminals. "Homeless", "unhoused", "urban campers" and other such terms are just Marxist word play.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Trespassing and littering are already illegal. And I don't see why they should be federal issues.

They shouldn't be Federal issues, but they already are in many ways. Existing state/local laws need to be enforced. No need for new laws. But enforcement of such laws is often hamstrung by elements of the Federal Govt and the judicial system.

 

[PAF]

I didn't say anywhere that I support a federalized plan. But Federal money is already used, as well as State and local taxpayer money.

I take issue with the use of Marxist language to diminish crime and criminals. "Homeless", "unhoused", "urban campers" and other such terms are just Marxist word play.

With all due respect Brian [don't beat me over the head] this may be the breakdown of where you and I [and others] differ. I don't look at issues or statements with regard to "Marxists word play" or "right-wing word play". I look squarely at the issue and make the determination whether it abides by libertarian principles. For me, it sure cuts out a lot of the bullsh|t, and headaches too. Why give the opposition credibility? ;-)

 

[jmdrake]

Chase Oliver has been an advocate for the unhoused (aka mentally ill and addicts living on the streets) in the past.



Complete bull$#@!. Anybody that needs help can get help in many ways, paid for by taxpayers. These people on the streets don't want to utilize those services because they don't want to stop using drugs.

"Camping" on the streets is a joke. There are encampments that are populated by the mentally ill and addicts. They are not "camping", they are trespassing. They are littering. Crime comes hand in hand with it. Theft mainly, but also assaults and even murder.

I help my dad with his rental houses and I can attest that it's much harder for people to get government rental assistance than you seem to think. Yes there are a lot of people on rental assistance and there are a lot more waiting to get it.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

There are no parking signs. There are no crossing here signs. If there is a designated campground that is okay with me. Who wants that scum living in their city? If they are so ill they can't find work or keep a home, then they should get medical help. How do homeless, jobless, people afford cigarettes, liquor, and or drugs?

If the goal is to get the people off the streets, they could set up a homeless tent city, with food, bathrooms, and give away food, and alcohol and let them live there for free if they so choose. Don't try to help them. Just 3 hots, a cot, a bathroom, and liquor. And all those bleeding heart liberal Karens can donate shoes, and clothing. No policing. Enter and stay at your own risk. Stay and or leave at will.

 

[PAF]

There are no parking signs. There are no crossing here signs. If there is a designated campground that is okay with me. Who wants that scum living in their city? If they are so ill they can't find work or keep a home, then they should get medical help. How do homeless, jobless, people afford cigarettes, liquor, and or drugs?

If the goal is to get the people off the streets, they could set up a homeless tent city, with food, bathrooms, and give away food, and alcohol and let them live there for free if they so choose. Don't try to help them. Just 3 hots, a cot, a bathroom, and liquor. And all those bleeding heart liberal Karens can donate shoes, and clothing. No policing. Enter and stay at your own risk. Stay and or leave at will.

After reading that, I was reminded of the movie "Rambo". He served, he evidently didn't want a permanent home, and just decided to travel and walk on foot wherever it led him. He minded his own business, and picked up an odd job here and there, and though he didn't pay taxes to an authority, he paid for the clothes on his back and the food that he ate.

The sheriff considered him a "vagrant", simply for walking and minding his own business. Rambo served, to defend and protect his and our freedoms, and he simply wanted to be left alone. A lot like some people who truly do want to "Live Off The Grid". Rambo was pushed and pushed to the point that, well, you know the rest.

So, he really wasn't free. And to be free, the government made him an offer that he basically couldn't refuse. Fight for freedom [the government], or stay behind prison bars.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

After reading that, I was reminded of the movie "Rambo". He served, he evidently didn't want a permanent home, and just decided to travel and walk on foot wherever it led him. He minded his own business, and picked up an odd job here and there, and though he didn't pay taxes to an authority, he paid for the clothes on his back and the food that he ate.

The sheriff considered him a "vagrant". Rambo served, to defend and protect his and our freedoms, and he simply wanted to be left alone. A lot like some people who truly do want to "Live Off The Grid". Rambo was pushed and pushed to the point that, well, you know the rest.

So, he really wasn't free. And to be free, the government made him an offer that he basically couldn't refuse. Fight for freedom [the government], or stay behind prison bars.

My guess is those on the street would welcome free food, shelter, bathroom, and liquor. I would think they would be happy with the accommodations and would stay there of their own free will. No need to steal because all the food and drink they want. Hell give them pot too.

I think in some cities there are zoning laws against camping on your own property.

 

[PAF]

My guess is those on the street would welcome free food, shelter, bathroom, and liquor. I would think they would be happy with the accommodations and would stay there of their own free will. No need to steal because all the food and drink they want. Hell give them pot too.

If people want to voluntarily give it to them, I am good with that. I mind my own business. I would apply that to immigrants as well; they can take voluntary donations, work and earn money, or simply starve/move on. No need for tax payer money to be involved in that at all - state or fed.

I think in some cities there are zoning laws against camping on your own property.

I have heard of that, and I am opposed to that. It's either your own private property, or you are renting from the government. People need to stand for their rights, or they have no rights at all.

 

[Snowball]

Trump, his father and son-in-law are all 2,3,4th generation slum lords.

He'll gladly enrich his network and have Big Gov pay for housing for all these people.

Sure one of Jared's LLC's already filed for it.