Trump threatens to withhold endorsement for Republicans who oppose his rescissions package

[CaptUSA]

Their trade-offs are all designed to land our kids and grandkids in slavery. And we won't prevent that unless and until we take that fact to heart.

Just look at the title of this thread. They're herding us like sheep. When all the MSM, both the left and right wing branches, are trying to keep you in your herd, it's time to bolt and hope someone follows.

Being effective is no bonus if the only effect you help bring about is in no way what you want and need.

Limiting ourselves to their "solutions" sells our kids and grandkids into slavery. Every damned time.

I get that you're frustrated. You should be. But you're blaming "voting" as the reason for your frustrations. I'm reminded of this:



The brakes are cut, but you're criticizing anyone who thinks it's prudent to keep steering.

 

[acptulsa]

I get that you're frustrated. You should be. But you're blaming "voting" as the reason for your frustrations. I'm reminded of this:

No, I'm proposing voting as a possible solution. Go look at that Simpsons clip I posted. Look at it, and tell me how its message argues against voting. See, you're confusing me with PAF. That suggests to me that you aren't even looking at solutions, you're just categorizing people as belonging to certain herds and not looking deeply at any possible solutions. Really the only thing PAF and I have in common is, you can't reject the status quo and play their game too. He and I both stand on principle and refuse to budge. And that's why we disagree with the highest degree of mutual respect.

The brakes are cut, but you're criticizing anyone who thinks it's prudent to keep steering.

Don't know how to break it to you, but a car changes lanes much, much faster than it stops. I have driven for a living quite a lot, and the number of accidents I have avoided with the steering wheel which brakes in perfect working order would never have prevented is in the hundreds.

You accuse me of that not because it's true, but because you think all the steering wheel does is change lanes. I use the steering wheel to go anywhere I can to escape. The median. I've dived into parking lots. I saved my mother's life by driving into a ditch.

I'm not criticizing anyone for wanting to steer. I'm criticizing people for being limited in how far they think that wheel can turn. They have us convinced that the Left Lane and the Right Lane are meaningfully different. But this isn't an inner dispersal loop. They both go the same damned place.

A Harris America would also be passing amnesty deals, printing money and giving huge contracts to Palantir. When we take that to heart, then we stand a chance of escaping the fate they plan for us.

 

[Occam's Banana]

"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[acptulsa]

That occasion was when he federalized the nation, to no good effect. People shouldn't have listened to him.

But the quote still applies to our situation. You've said yourself, many times, that neither of the two mainstream parties is coming to save us.

 

[Occam's Banana]

That occasion was when he federalized the nation, to no good effect. People shouldn't have listened to him.

But the quote still applies to our situation. You've said yourself, many times, that neither of the two mainstream parties is coming to save us.

I have indeed.

I was just amused by the irony of invoking that particular quote by that particular person in this particular context.

The "before and after" delta of Trump's tyranny - and of Biden's, Obama's, Bush's, et al. - pales in comparison to Lincoln's.

 

[acptulsa]

I was just amused by the irony of invoking that particular quote by that particular person in this particular context.

Yes, I felt it too. But it's a hard quote to beat.

I first encountered it in a book discussing the end of steam and the rise of diesels on the railroads, believe it or not.

 

[acptulsa]

The "before and after" delta of Trump's tyranny - and of Biden's, Obama's, Bush's, et al. - pales in comparison to Lincoln's.

I'd like to think so, but their collective tyranny is still in the process of being enacted. We haven't seen the end of the 21st Century Psyop yet.

 

[PAF]

I have indeed.

I was just amused by the irony of invoking that particular quote by that particular person in this particular context.

The "before and after" delta of Trump's tyranny - and of Biden's, Obama's, Bush's, et al. - pales in comparison to Lincoln's.

Not to me it isn't. I wasn't living back then. In fact, my relatives weren't even in the country yet. I'm living in the here and now which makes it much worse.

Now if you want to bring up "preconditions" [have been met under Lincoln], don't - 'Merikans have the ability to change all of that in the here and now, they just don't want to.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Yes, I felt it too. But it's a hard quote to beat.

I first encountered it in a book discussing the end of steam and the rise of diesels on the railroads, believe it or not.

Lincoln was the most silver- and honey-tongued devil ever to occupy the office, I'll give him that.

No other POTUS comes anywhere close to matching his eloquence.

 

[acptulsa]

Lincoln was the most silver- and honey-tongued devil ever to occupy the office, I'll give him that.

No other POTUS comes anywhere close to matching his eloquence.

I can't imagine a more fitting description of the only third party candidate ever elected to the White House.

 

[PAF]

Lincoln was the most silver- and honey-tongued devil ever to occupy the office, I'll give him that.

No other POTUS comes anywhere close to matching his eloquence.

But, was he "Sent by God"

 

[acptulsa]

But, was he "Sent by God"

I guess you could argue that he was, indirectly.

I think it's safe to say that the fact that the devil is a fallen angel proves that God isn't above doing some trolling.

 

[Madison320]

Thomas Massie: "Noncompliance Is More Effective Than Voting"
Henry David Thoreau: "Disobedience Is The True Foundation Of Liberty"
Ron Paul: Doesn't vote. Neither do I.

Keep voting, @CaptUSA , don't let me hold you up from the next episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians

I can see how non-compliance would work for an unpopular law like marijuana laws, but how would that work for other things like reducing government spending? Or non-interventionist foreign policy?

Even with things like marijuana laws I think it's sending a message to the politicians that they'll lose votes.

Do you any evidence that Ron Paul doesn't vote? Or that he's against it? I couldn't find any.

 

[CaptUSA]

I can see how non-compliance would work for an unpopular law like marijuana laws, but how would that work for other things like reducing government spending? Or non-interventionist foreign policy?

Even with things like marijuana laws I think it's sending a message to the politicians that they'll lose votes.

Do you any evidence that Ron Paul doesn't vote? Or that he's against it? I couldn't find any.

 

[PAF]

I can see how non-compliance would work for an unpopular law like marijuana laws, but how would that work for other things like reducing government spending? Or non-interventionist foreign policy?

There are many ways to be non-compliant.

One example is to not take what TV tells you for granted and speak up about an issue no matter how unpopular it may be.

Another is to look for ways to "starve the state". Be creative. For example, I smoke, but I refuse to spend $10/pack which goes to the state via taxes. I get them at the reservation which is exempt for $10/carton.

And another example, across the state in Ohio people are demanding no more property tax, and it is undeniably taking root. Sure, they'll probably raise sales tax to make up for it, until those same folks raise holy hell over that.

Keep ideas flowing, spread them far and wide no matter how small or large the issue is. Take the lead.

Even with things like marijuana laws I think it's sending a message to the politicians that they'll lose votes.

Nobody said it was easy. But it's definitely not impossible either.

Do you any evidence that Ron Paul doesn't vote? Or that he's against it? I couldn't find any.

Ron and I have had many wonderful meals together at dinner events. So have Tom Massie and I

 

[acptulsa]

There are many ways to be non-compliant.

Eventually we are going to have our FRNs yanked, and the CBDC will be thrust upon us. Other digital money may or may not be anonymous enough to escape the control freaks.

There's lots and lots of "junk silver" in the country. Will you have some?

 

[PAF]

Eventually we are going to have our FRNs yanked, and the CBDC will be thrust upon us. Other digital money may or may not be anonymous enough to escape the control freaks.

There's lots and lots of "junk silver" in the country. Will you have some?

Don't ask me about my business

 

[Madison320]

There are many ways to be non-compliant.

One example is to not take what TV tells you for granted and speak up about an issue no matter how unpopular it may be.

Another is to look for ways to "starve the state". Be creative. For example, I smoke, but I refuse to spend $10/pack which goes to the state via taxes. I get them at the reservation which is exempt for $10/carton.

And another example, across the state in Ohio people are demanding no more property tax, and it is undeniably taking root. Sure, they'll probably raise sales tax to make up for it, until those same folks raise holy hell over that.

Keep ideas flowing, spread them far and wide no matter how small or large the issue is. Take the lead.

I agree with doing all of those things but that doesn't support your claim that voting is bad. Why not do both?

Or are you just saying that voting for the lesser of evils is bad but voting for someone like Ron Paul or Massie is good?

 

[PAF]

I agree with doing all of those things but that doesn't support your claim that voting is bad. Why not do both?

Voting signifies complacency, and civilly agrees with outcomes. It keeps the status quo alive. The more people who walk away from the state-sponsored mafia, the more frightened government will become.

Or are you just saying that voting for the lesser of evils is bad but voting for someone like Ron Paul or Massie is good?

Ron Paul and Tom Massie themselves don't advocate voting, even for them. They prefer to reach the hearts and minds which is the only way out of this mess. I wore my anarchist shirt to one of the dinners and Tom Massie actually pointed to it and said "that's exactly what it's going to take!!!". I still have the video of that

If you haven't been to any of the dinners perhaps you can attend an upcoming one. Not only are they educational, they are a lot of fun!

 

[Swordsmyth]

Voting signifies complacency, and civilly agrees with outcomes. It keeps the status quo alive. The more people who walk away from the state-sponsored mafia, the more frightened government will become.



Ron Paul and Tom Massie themselves don't advocate voting, even for for them. They prefer to reach the hearts and minds which is the only way out of this mess. I wore my anarchist shirt to one of the dinners and Tom Massie actually pointed to it and said "that's exactly what it's going to take". I still have the video of that

If you haven't been to any of the dinners perhaps you can attend an upcoming one. Not only are they educational, they are a lot of fun!

Not voting is consent and accepting the outcomes and allows the status quo to do as it pleases and grow in strength.

Which is why you advocate for it.