Trump Threatens Smithsonian Over Slavery Exhibits?

[jmdrake]

Whenever I see scenes like this its always still presumed that the white man is in charge. Never in white culture anyway do I recall seeing any depiction of a black slaveowner. Blacks whipping blacks is common but it's always understood they are doing it at the behest of a white man.

Is there a reason you snipped out this part of my post?

In the TV show "A different world", Whitney Gilbert, a light skinned black woman attending an HBCU, finds out that her ancestors owned slaves. (Unable to find that clip so you'll just have to take my word on it.)

Yes. A FEW black people owned slaves. That's coverred in black media. But as @Anti Federalist AND YOU are so fond of talking about when it comes to crime "It's a question of ratios."

What's funny about that is that a black person (Anthony Johnson) was basically a founding father of American slavery, having one of the earliest cases, perhaps the first, of owning a slave outside the criminal justice system.

A black person helped to invent slavery in America

Yep. A genuine certifice Uncle Ruckus coon. Modern day Candace Owens / Officer Tatum / Hodge Twins.

LOL he called Africa a shithole and she played the race card as if somehow that matters. Africa is a shithole, and she deserves to have lost her seat. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Spain was a shithole until Africans and Arabs cleaned it up.

 

[jmdrake]

Just so happens yesterday was the anniversary of the arrival of the most costly cargo ever shipped.

Thank you for your contribution to American history.

 

[TheTexan]

Is there a reason you snipped out this part of my post?

In the TV show "A different world", Whitney Gilbert, a light skinned black woman attending an HBCU, finds out that her ancestors owned slaves. (Unable to find that clip so you'll just have to take my word on it.)

Note, I said white culture. I don't watch black culture TV shows for obvious reasons.

I'm just giving you my perspective as a white person who watches white culture: blacks are never depicted as slave owners.

Spain was a shithole until Africans and Arabs cleaned it up.

LOL

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[jmdrake]

Note, I said white culture. I don't watch black culture TV shows for obvious reasons.

I'm just giving you my perspective as a white person who watches white culture: blacks are never depicted as slave owners.

So basically you're saying it's the white man's fault. Go it.

LOL

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Medieval Europe's lack of hygine is well documented. In "A Conneticut Yankee in King Authors Court" Mark Twain jokingly gives a time travelling American credit for teaching medieval Europeans about bathing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not the one who started one of the longest and oldest thread about race. @Anti Federalist did.

I'm not sure if it's the oldest, or the longest, but it is the most viewed in this sub forum.

Which means it hit a topic that people want to read about and talk about.

We're told constantly about how "America must have an honest discussion about race".

But when people like me start that conversation and make the points I think are relevant and necessary to be made before even having that discussion, I'm shouted down as a bigot and racist.

Almost nobody actually wants to have an "honest conversation" about race in the US.

One side wants to dismiss it all away as a bad dream, and everything now is fine, while the other simply wants to use it as a cudgel in the ongoing Marxist revolution as a substitute for class.

 

[TheTexan]

Medieval Europe's lack of hygine is well documented. In "A Conneticut Yankee in King Authors Court" Mark Twain jokingly gives a time travelling American credit for teaching medieval Europeans about bathing.

Hygiene was never a prerequisite for social and economic success.

Look at India, they are shitting on the street and still developing more than Africa

 

[Anti Federalist]

Medieval Europe's lack of hygine is well documented. In "A Conneticut Yankee in King Authors Court" Mark Twain jokingly gives a time travelling American credit for teaching medieval Europeans about bathing.

The Greeks and Romans embraced bathing as a daily ritual and furthermore built the technological infrastructure to facilitate heated indoor bathing pools and sanitary toilets.

When Rome fell, due to many of the same influences that are causing Western civilization to fall now, personal hygiene took a back seat to survival.

Once we got our shit back together, so to speak, we then invented the flushing toilet, sanitary sewers and waste treatment.

 

[Anti Federalist]

nvm

 

[PAF]

I'm not sure if it's the oldest, or the longest, but it is the most viewed in this sub forum.

Which means it hit a topic that people want to read about and talk about.

We're told constantly about how "America must have an honest discussion about race".

But when people like me start that conversation and make the points I think are relevant and necessary to be made before even having that discussion, I'm shouted down as a bigot and racist.

Almost nobody actually wants to have an "honest conversation" about race in the US.

One side wants to dismiss it all away as a bad dream, and everything now is fine, while the other simply wants to use it as a cudgel in the ongoing Marxist revolution as a substitute for class.

You think maybe the view count is so high is because you post the most and probably read them afterward? Granted, I spot check every once in a while... but, come to think of it, when I provide information to the contrary, you typically come up with an excuse to reinforce your [usually] one-sided view [different posts - same excuse] rather than admit to it or debate it.

I typically stay away from "race debates" the same way that I stay away from people who are not productive. I've come to learn that I can't/won't change anybody's mind about race, anymore than I can change a lazy person in Section 8 into a skilled and productive worker. So how can the "conversation" be productive, when people aren't willing to change their minds?

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This also spills into another topic. I listened to Trump's long interview in another thread this morning. Companies need workers, Trump said that he would honor Visas to get the most skilled people here, and allow them to stay here to keep that money/investments here in this country, rather than go back overseas. It's one of the first times that I have agreed with him [not the implementation/government involvement in it].

I did some searches on education ranking. For years, including this year, America has shown to rank somewhere in the 30's. Government Public Skools come to mind? But then I stumbled across a couple of sites that actually claimed that America was #1 in education! Say wha???

The point is, if America is ranking +/- 38th in education, is it any wonder why companies are reaching out to foreign people to work here in order to compete here in America? Instead, people make the idiotic leftist claim that "they're stealing our jobs!", and do everything they can to keep workers out of the country - including the use of military force. And then those same people want to know why workers/investments go to other countries while this country is lagging and we can't compete. It's all hypocritical, and you're not going to change your mind.

 

[TheTexan]

The point is, if America is ranking +/- 38th in education, is it any wonder why companies are reaching out to foreign people to work here in order to compete here in America?

It is indeed no wonder, but it has very little to do with education and everything to do with money.

Foreigners are brought here because they are cheaper and not because they have more skills.

Very often, and I witnessed this personally, H1B's were used to pad onshore body counts to meet contractual obligations of the ratio of onshore to offshore.. the people buying the contracts know that Indians do shoddy work so they write in an onshore staffing requirement.. and then because they can't put "white people" in the contract, the consulting agency just fills those roles with H1B's and continues to do most of the work offshore with 2-3 white people supervising (e.g., me) to make sure everything doesn't go off the rails.

Instead, people make the idiotic leftist claim that "they're stealing our jobs!", and do everything they can to keep workers out of our country

I don't care if they take IT jobs, I just don't want them doing it in our country. For the IT industry they can do the job just as well remotely, they don't need to be here to do it, and we sure as shit don't need to give them invitations to come here to do it.

 

[PAF]

It is indeed no wonder, but it has very little to do with education and everything to do with money.

Foreigners are brought here because they are cheaper and not because they have more skills.

Very often, and I witnessed this personally, H1B's were used to pad onshore body counts to meet contractual obligations of the ratio of onshore to offshore.. the people buying the contracts know that Indians do shoddy work so they write in an onshore staffing requirement.. and then because they can't put "white people" in the contract, the consulting agency just fills those roles with H1B's and continues to do most of the work offshore with 2-3 white people supervising (e.g., me) to make sure everything doesn't go off the rails.

I don't care if they take IT jobs, I just don't want them doing it in our country. For the IT industry they can do the job just as well remotely, they don't need to be here to do it, and we sure as shit don't need to give them invitations to come here to do it.

Instead of taking one side, or the other, how about republicans start rallying to get government out of the business period.

Oh wait... now they want a 10% stake in Intel Corp. NVM.

 

[TheCount]

This also spills into another topic. I listened to Trump's long interview in another thread this morning. Companies need workers, Trump said that he would honor Visas to get the most skilled people here, and allow them to stay here to keep that money/investments here in this country, rather than go back overseas.

Which is why he's actively driving away foreign students?

 

[TheTexan]

Instead of taking one side, or the other, how about republicans start rallying to get government out of the business period.

Because I don't want foreigners here, there's already too many, and there's not a lot of viable options to accomplish that goal, and you haven't provided any viable options, so I'll just do what I can for now.

You want foreigners here and that's great. I don't want foreigners here, and that's also great. And we don't have to agree and I wouldn't even want you to agree with me. You aren't the problem, the government that is forcing both of us into its involuntary edicts, is the problem.

 

[PAF]

Because I don't want foreigners here, there's already too many, and there's not a lot of viable options to accomplish that goal, and you haven't provided any viable options, so I'll just do what I can for now.

You want foreigners here and that's great. I don't want foreigners here, and that's also great. And we don't have to agree and I wouldn't even want you to agree with me.

I don't want them or not don't want them, I really don't care. I want government out of the business of picking/choosing/profiting/pawing at my expense.

You aren't the problem, the government that is forcing both of us into its involuntary edicts, is the problem.

 

[TheCount]

The Greeks and Romans embraced bathing as a daily ritual and furthermore built the technological infrastructure to facilitate heated indoor bathing pools and sanitary toilets.

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[jmdrake]

I'm not sure if it's the oldest, or the longest, but it is the most viewed in this sub forum.

Which means it hit a topic that people want to read about and talk about.

We're told constantly about how "America must have an honest discussion about race".

But when people like me start that conversation and make the points I think are relevant and necessary to be made before even having that discussion, I'm shouted down as a bigot and racist.

Almost nobody actually wants to have an "honest conversation" about race in the US.

One side wants to dismiss it all away as a bad dream, and everything now is fine, while the other simply wants to use it as a cudgel in the ongoing Marxist revolution as a substitute for class.

So I think you're overvaluing your own "contribution" if you want to call it that. There are organic threads like "The best picture thread" that have a lot of organic traffic as opposed to your artificial personal race blog that other people contribute to. My "confused and abused transgenders" thread now gets mosts of its posts from people other than me. (And signficant amounts of posts have nothing to do with transgenders but are just general "I don't like LGBTQs" posts). If you reply to your thread at least once a day it's going to grow every year but 365 posts even if nobody else is posting to it or reading it. On a couple of occassions people in the religion subforum would post a "daily verse" or "daily devotional" that would go on indefinitely as a lonely missionary journey until the person doing it eventually became weary in well doing. (HT to @TER's epistle thread). The true test to how much interest there is in a thread is if the OP stops posting in it for a couple of months but it keeps going with pretty much daily or at least weekly updates from others.

Tha said, the fact that others join in your race blog doesn't affect my point which is I wouldn't even be talking about race at all if my own race wasn't constantly under attack. I don't wake up and think "How can I piss off more white people on the internet?" People want to know why, sometimes, I've disappeared for extended periods of time? Well...now you know. This place is draining. But there are enough well meaning people who aren't even kind of sort of racist to encourage me to keep going.

Lastly, you're right. It's not the oldest race thread but at this point it's the oldest continually running race thread. Some race threads dried up years ago never to return. So congratulations. For what it's worth you've acocmplished...something.

 

[jmdrake]

It is indeed no wonder, but it has very little to do with education and everything to do with money.

Foreigners are brought here because they are cheaper and not because they have more skills.

So....that's not true. Do you know why the "chips act" failed?

‘They would not listen to us’: inside Arizona’s troubled chip plant

Taiwanese microchip manufacturer TSMC blames struggle to build Phoenix plant on skilled labor shortage but workers cite disorganization and safety concerns

www.theguardian.com

Eight months on, the Phoenix microchip plant – the centerpiece of Biden’s $52.7bn US hi-tech manufacturing agenda – is struggling to get online.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/26/us-chips-act-intel-robert-reich
The plant’s owner Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), the largest chip maker in the world, has pushed back plans to start manufacturing to 2025, blaming a lack of skilled labor. It is trying to fast-track visas for 500 Taiwanese workers. Unions, meanwhile, are accusing TSMC of inventing the skills shortage as an excuse to hire cheaper, foreign labor. Others point to safety issues at the plant.

Basically Taiwan Semiconductor was trying to build a factory and the U.S. pipefitters weren't skilled enough to do what needed to be done. The Taiwanese wanted to bring in their own workers but U.S. unions blocked it so the plant never got built and the high paying U.S. jobs never materialized. And why does Taiwan Semiconductor even exist? The founder of it got his advanced degree from MIT but he had to go back to Taiwan



So...@PAF is right again. Sorry about that.

 

[TheTexan]

So....that's not true. Do you know why the "chips act" failed?

‘They would not listen to us’: inside Arizona’s troubled chip plant

Taiwanese microchip manufacturer TSMC blames struggle to build Phoenix plant on skilled labor shortage but workers cite disorganization and safety concerns

www.theguardian.com

Eight months on, the Phoenix microchip plant – the centerpiece of Biden’s $52.7bn US hi-tech manufacturing agenda – is struggling to get online.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/26/us-chips-act-intel-robert-reich
The plant’s owner Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), the largest chip maker in the world, has pushed back plans to start manufacturing to 2025, blaming a lack of skilled labor. It is trying to fast-track visas for 500 Taiwanese workers. Unions, meanwhile, are accusing TSMC of inventing the skills shortage as an excuse to hire cheaper, foreign labor. Others point to safety issues at the plant.

Basically Taiwan Semiconductor was trying to build a factory and the U.S. pipefitters weren't skilled enough to do what needed to be done. The Taiwanese wanted to bring in their own workers but U.S. unions blocked it so the plant never got built and the high paying U.S. jobs never materialized. And why does Taiwan Semiconductor even exist? The founder of it got his advanced degree from MIT but he had to go back to Taiwan



So...@PAF is right again. Sorry about that.

LOL these megacorps are in on the scam. The company that I worked for would say the same thing.

Is it profitable for these megacorps to bring over cheap foreigners? You fuckin betcha.

That's your problem, you're too gullible.

 

[nikcers]

TSMC wanted Taiwan to maintain the semiconductor monopoly we let them have because they subsidized it and made it cost less for us.

They are Chinese nationalists and don't want to lose their control over the market.

They may not be communists but their priority is to their own interest (Chinese nationalism).

Its no surprise that they want to hire Chinese people to do jobs because they are Chinese nationalists.

 

[PAF]

LOL these megacorps are in on the scam. The company that I worked for would say the same thing.

Is it profitable for these megacorps to bring over cheap foreigners? You fuckin betcha.

That's your problem, you're too gullible.

The solution isn't government intervention regulation, in either direction. Didn't we just agree that government just needs to get completely out of the way?