Trump Threatens Smithsonian Over Slavery Exhibits?

[CaptUSA]

How many non-black slaves did the founders own?

I don't have a number, but there were plenty of Native American slaves owned by the moneyed elite. Even up to the Civil War, although the number got smaller and smaller. There were some Asian slaves held in the US, too, though most of them were listed as "indentured servants".

BUT AGAIN, while there is an overlap between race and slavery, most whites did NOT own slaves. That was reserved for the wealthy. Slavery was ALWAYS about the powerful elite exploiting the most vulnerable. At the height of slavery in the US, that was ~2% of the white population in the South.

The only way you get this racial thing is if you start with a racial premise. In other words, you're either a racist or you've fallen for the retarded racial narrative.

No, "white people" were not the ones doing the "beating, raping, lynching, and killing" like the narrator in that video suggests - it was the elite doing that. Most of them were white, but not all of them. But to focus on their race rather than their social standing is completely and utterly racist.

 

[TheCount]

I don't have a number

So, none?

but there were plenty of Native American slaves owned by the moneyed elite. Even up to the Civil War, although the number got smaller and smaller. There were some Asian slaves held in the US, too, though most of them were listed as "indentured servants".

Huh, wonder if there might have been a difference between black slaves and those indentured servants...

Slavery was ALWAYS about the powerful elite exploiting the most vulnerable.

Were there not any vulnerable whites available in Europe?

Seems a bit out of the way to go all the way to Africa to find vulnerable people.

No, "white people" were not the ones doing the "beating, raping, lynching, and killing" like the narrator in that video suggests - it was the elite doing that. Most of them were white, but not all of them. But to focus on their race rather than their social standing is completely and utterly racist.

The elite were doing the lynching? That's an interesting claim.

 

[CaptUSA]

Telling the truth about what happened is not "blame shifting." And the straw man of "Slavery existed for thousands of years and was practiced around the word" is not excuse to whitewash the history of what happened here.

?? No one is excusing or whitewashing the history of slavery. What I'm saying - which is something you should acknowledge - is that it's racist to suggest that the actions of a small percentage of a population are indicative of the entire race. That's the TRUTH.

The TRUE history of slavery is that the elite exploited the most vulnerable. Let's focus our ire on the perpetrators rather than the race they belong to.

 

[jmdrake]

?? No one is excusing or whitewashing the history of slavery. What I'm saying - which is something you should acknowledge - is that it's racist to suggest that the actions of a small percentage of a population are indicative of the entire race. That's the TRUTH.

The TRUE history of slavery is that the elite exploited the most vulnerable. Let's focus our ire on the perpetrators rather than the race they belong to.

Nobody is trying to whitewash the history of slaver? TRUMP LITTERALLY IS TRYING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW! And at the same time the Trump administration is seeking to spend TENS OF MILLIONS ON MONUMENTS TO THOSE WHO BY THERE OWN WORDS FAUGHT TO DEFEND SLAVERY! One of the statues up for repair and restoration is of General Albert Pike, an "elitist" (to use your words) who wrote the freemason book "Morals and Dogma" and helped create the KKK.

And which of the Smithsonian Institute's exhibits suggested that slavery was indicative of all white people? That sounds like a red herring and a straw man argument. I will admit I haven't been there, but if it's anything like the civil rights museums I've been to in Memphis and Birmingham Al and Montgomery Alabama, those white people who bravely stood up against racism and segregation are included. There was also a very interesting exhibit at the Birmingham civil rights Institute last time I was there showing many different white people on different dates proudly posting on their social media after vandalizing the commerative plaque in Mississippi of the lynching of Emmitt Till. Many of those photos are from RECENT years! It wasn't enough that a young man was brutally murdered for, at worst, whistling at a white woman (even that is debated).

Most Germans were not in the SS and had nothing to do with actually killing Jews. That doesn't mean the Holocause Museum exhibits should be curated by Nazis to make it like "offensive" to them.

 

[TheTexan]

Most Germans were not in the SS and had nothing to do with actually killing Jews. That doesn't mean the Holocause Museum exhibits should be curated by Nazis to make it like "offensive" to them.

Probably shouldn't do analogies to the Holocaust cus that issue was overblown if not entirely fake.

Only reason I know slavery is real is because my grandpappy used to brag about it.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't have a number, but there were plenty of Native American slaves owned by the moneyed elite. Even up to the Civil War, although the number got smaller and smaller. There were some Asian slaves held in the US, too, though most of them were listed as "indentured servants".

If you watched the OP video you'd know that it addressed other racial groups owning slaves. That said, owning slaves didn't stop the Native Americans from becoming the victims of a genocide nor did it prevent Asians from being kicked out after the built the railroads.

BUT AGAIN, while there is an overlap between race and slavery, most whites did NOT own slaves. That was reserved for the wealthy. Slavery was ALWAYS about the powerful elite exploiting the most vulnerable. At the height of slavery in the US, that was ~2% of the white population in the South.

The only way you get this racial thing is if you start with a racial premise. In other words, you're either a racist or you've fallen for the retarded racial narrative.

Please read before you make any more "retarded" comments.

How Slavery Became the Law of the Land "For Blacks Only" - America's Black Holocaust Museum

The system of basing slavery on a person’s race did not occur in the first years of European settlement in America. However, by the 1660s, slavery was instituted and reserved for Africans only. How did this happen?

www.abhmuseum.org

Slavery became racial because the white elites in the United States decided to make it racial.

No, "white people" were not the ones doing the "beating, raping, lynching, and killing" like the narrator in that video suggests - it was the elite doing that. Most of them were white, but not all of them. But to focus on their race rather than their social standing is completely and utterly racist.

And the poor white overseers who also did the beating, raping, lynching and killing at the behest of the white landowners simply don't count? You know that the white slave owners exempted themselves from the Southern draft and forced poor whites to go and die for them right? That didn't stop those same poor whites from massacring captured black POWs. At Ft. Pillow that tied colored troops to the wall and used the for bayonet practice. General Nathan Bedford Forest was in charge but his defenders later said he "just couldn't control" his troops. And the same "white elites" that you want to singularly blame for what happened are the same ones Trump is wanting to spend tens of millions of dollars on to restore their monuments and even some "libertarians" among use approve of that. (@Anti Federalist).

 

[PAF]

Shit man now I'm not happy. That video was gay. There wasn't one hot chick in that.

Eddie Van Halen Rules!!!

And just not to be prejudice, Vanessa Williams is used to be hot!

 

[nikcers]

If you watched the OP video you'd know that it addressed other racial groups owning slaves. That said, owning slaves didn't stop the Native Americans from becoming the victims of a genocide nor did it prevent Asians from being kicked out after the built the railroads.





Please read before you make any more "retarded" comments.

How Slavery Became the Law of the Land "For Blacks Only" - America's Black Holocaust Museum

The system of basing slavery on a person’s race did not occur in the first years of European settlement in America. However, by the 1660s, slavery was instituted and reserved for Africans only. How did this happen?

www.abhmuseum.org

Slavery became racial because the white elites in the United States decided to make it racial.



And the poor white overseers who also did the beating, raping, lynching and killing at the behest of the white landowners simply don't count? You know that the white slave owners exempted themselves from the Southern draft and forced poor whites to go and die for them right? That didn't stop those same poor whites from massacring captured black POWs. At Ft. Pillow that tied colored troops to the wall and used the for bayonet practice. General Nathan Bedford Forest was in charge but his defenders later said he "just couldn't control" his troops. And the same "white elites" that you want to singularly blame for what happened are the same ones Trump is wanting to spend tens of millions of dollars on to restore their monuments and even some "libertarians" among use approve of that. (@Anti Federalist).

Yeah people dont get to destroy the statues and history of our country just because they hate the people who created this country. That is just cultural genocide.

Colonialists destroy a nations history in order to erase the people's shared history and destroy the culture that unites them.

If you try destroying our history we are going to hit back.

 

[TheTexan]

If you watched the OP video you'd know that it addressed other racial groups owning slaves.

You mean like, blacks owning slaves?

African-American slave owners - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[PAF]

You mean like, blacks owning slaves?

African-American slave owners - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shhhh. That's not part of the discussion.

 

[otherone]

That didn't stop those same poor whites from massacring captured black POWs. At Ft. Pillow that tied colored troops to the wall and used the for bayonet practice. General Nathan Bedford Forest was in charge but his defenders later said he "just couldn't control" his troops.

Maybe it's time for folks to move on. War sucks. If whitey decides to enslave black people again, then we can revisit the topic.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[jmdrake]

You mean like, blacks owning slaves?

African-American slave owners - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shhhh. That's not part of the discussion.

Why wouldn't it be? Some people act like that's some big "gotcha." Newsflash, it isn't. From the very first episode of Roots way back in the 1970s when you see Kunta Kente getting captured it's two black men who ran him down.



Edit: Wow! YouTube "age restricted" the capture scene but not the whipping scene. That's odd.

The "Your name is Toby" scene shows a black man holding the whip.



In the TV show "A different world", Whitney Gilbert, a light skinned black woman attending an HBCU, finds out that her ancestors owned slaves. (Unable to find that clip so you'll just have to take my word on it.) But here's the fun part. We still have that same "I want to be a white supremacist" in the black community today. Candace Owens. Officer Tatum. The "conservative" Hodge Twins. Byron Donalds. The term for black people willing to leech off of the misery of their own community is "coon." Some people use the term "Uncle Tom" but that's not fair. I actually read the book "Uncle Tom's Cabin" as an adolescent and "Uncle Tom" was a hero who looked the other way when other slaves escaped and was ultimately whipped to death for refusing to beat another slave. So yes. For actually black people this has LONG been part of the conversation. Sorry to disappoint you. Not every black conservative of Republican is a coon. Mia Love (RIP) wasn't a coon. When Trump denigrated her country, she stood up and criticized him and it cost her seat in Congress.



Note that Mia Love was initially a DEFENDER of Trump against the racism charge...until his racism hit too close to home.



Trump would rather have a white Democrat in power than a black Republican willing to stand up against him. I could chalk that up to racism, but it's just Trump being petty. He would take out Thomas Massie if he could and Massie is a straight white male. Tim Scott flirts with coonery. On the one had he was willing to publicly, though gently, chastize Trump over his Charlottesville comments. He was also willing to put forward a very good police reform bill that the Democrats blocked in 2020 only to attempt to pass in 2023.

Funny thing is I've been called "coon" simply for not worshipping the ground Obama walks on. Or the modern term "Uncle Ruckus" for the character from the Boondocks show. In one episode Huey Freeman, a young black revolutionary who DESPISES his Uncle Ruckus, finds himself oddly allied with Ruckus simply because neither of them are thrilled by the Obama presidency.

Huey Freeman:



Uncle Ruckus:



Huey Freeman and Uncle Ruckus forced to team up.



These clips are all short to match @TheTexan's attention span. @PAF you might wat to see a longer recap of the episode "It's a Black President; Huey Freeman."



Anyway, that's all I have for today.

 

[jmdrake]

So, none?


Huh, wonder if there might have been a difference between black slaves and those indentured servants...


Were there not any vulnerable whites available in Europe?

Seems a bit out of the way to go all the way to Africa to find vulnerable people.


The elite were doing the lynching? That's an interesting claim.

That's a pretty poignant response. And you're 100% on target.

 

[acptulsa]

The term for black people willing to leech off of the misery of their own community is "coon."

That's interesting. I heard the term before, around these parts, but used by whites and not in that context. It wasn't complimentary, but it wasn't exactly that specific.

 

[jmdrake]

That's interesting. I heard the term before, around these parts, but used by whites and not in that context. It wasn't complimentary, but it wasn't exactly that specific.

You are that originally "coon" was an anti-black slur used by whites the same way as the "n-word" and some blacks will still use the term. But unlike the n-word which some blacks (not me), use internally as a term of endearment, when blacks use the term against other blacks it's negative. Here's a good breakdown of the term.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Just so happens yesterday was the anniversary of the arrival of the most costly cargo ever shipped.

 

[CaptUSA]

That's interesting. I heard the term before, around these parts, but used by whites and not in that context. It wasn't complimentary, but it wasn't exactly that specific.

JM tends to view history through a racial lens.

Here's some real history. The Portuguese had trading posts on the coasts of Africa and there were huts called "barraca" (a derivative of "barracks") The Spanish referred to larger installations as "barracones". English and Dutch traders called these buildings "barracoons". By the 18th century, "barracoons" became synonymous with slave trade depots. The term "coon" was a slave that came through one of those depots. As opposed to slaves born on the continent. (H/T to The Mosquito by Timothy Winegard where I first learned about that.)

It became a derogatory term to characterize those slaves as lazy, stupid, and subhuman and still needing to be "broken" like a wild horse. (You see, even then, most people didn't think all blacks were the same.)

The term was used in minstrel shows to distinguish and lampoon those slaves as the lowest of the low. During the Civil war, it became an insult to call any black person a "coon". After emancipation, some black people repurposed the term as JM described to demean other black people who they deemed untrustworthy, cowardly, or overly deferential to whites.

The more you know...

 

[TheTexan]

Why wouldn't it be? Some people act like that's some big "gotcha." Newsflash, it isn't. From the very first episode of Roots way back in the 1970s when you see Kunta Kente getting captured it's two black men who ran him down.

Whenever I see scenes like this its always still presumed that the white man is in charge. Never in white culture anyway do I recall seeing any depiction of a black slaveowner. Blacks whipping blacks is common but it's always understood they are doing it at the behest of a white man.

What's funny about that is that a black person (Anthony Johnson) was basically a founding father of American slavery, having one of the earliest cases, perhaps the first, of owning a slave outside the criminal justice system.

A black person helped to invent slavery in America

Mia Love (RIP) wasn't a coon. When Trump denigrated her country, she stood up and criticized him and it cost her seat in Congress.

LOL he called Africa a shithole and she played the race card as if somehow that matters. Africa is a shithole, and she deserves to have lost her seat. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[jmdrake]

JM tends to view history through a racial lens.

So....that's not true and you should know it. I'm not the one who started one of the longest and oldest thread about race. @Anti Federalist did. Whatever dude.

Here's some real history. The Portuguese had trading posts on the coasts of Africa and there were huts called "barraca" (a derivative of "barracks") The Spanish referred to larger installations as "barracones". English and Dutch traders called these buildings "barracoons". By the 18th century, "barracoons" became synonymous with slave trade depots. The term "coon" was a slave that came through one of those depots. As opposed to slaves born on the continent. (H/T to The Mosquito by Timothy Winegard where I first learned about that.)

It became a derogatory term to characterize those slaves as lazy, stupid, and subhuman and still needing to be "broken" like a wild horse. (You see, even then, most people didn't think all blacks were the same.)

Yes. Farmers look at their animals differently. (You used the term "horse.") And slave owners look at their slaves differently but still basically see them as animals. I'm not sure why you think you're making a point here. Nick Fuentes made it clear to Candace Owens that he thinks she's inferior to him for no other reason than her race while simultaneoulsy trying to treat her as some kind of "kindred spirit." The term for that is someone getting his or her "Negro wake up call." Here the Hodge Twins are getting their "negro wake up call."



Candace Owens has gotten multiple negro wake up calls and yet she keeps going back for more.







Here's Officer Tatum trying to walk the line of calling Nick out for being racist while defending his racism.



I suppos I've had my own "negro wake up call" even though I've never been anti-black like Candace Owens. Look back at my posting history going all the way back to 2008. For a long time nobody knew I was even black. I only pushed by slightly on the most virulent racists here at RPF. I even avoided AF's racist thread until @acptulsa tagged me in it. I'd rather talk about 9/11 and conspiracy theories (see my sig) and I've never put that in a "racial angle" despite your false claims that I look at history primarly through a "racial lens." But DAMN this place is nearly boiling over with race these days! Being the only person to give a black perspective makes me a target, even from people like you who claim not to be racist.

The term was used in minstrel shows to distinguish and lampoon those slaves as the lowest of the low. During the Civil war, it became an insult to call any black person a "coon". After emancipation, some black people repurposed the term as JM described to demean other black people who they deemed untrustworthy, cowardly, or overly deferential to whites.

The more you know...

And now at least one white conservative (Nick Fuentes) is using "grifter" as a prejorative for thsoe same "untrustworthy, cowardly, or overly deferential to whites" because he....well I'm not exactly sure white Nick Fuentes has decided to turn on white racists black allies. But I find it HILLARIIOUS!