Trump strikes targets in Nigeria

[Danke]

You're a moron. Hitler was dead way before 1953.

Ummm,

Eisenhower: During World War II, he was Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force in Europe. He ran the show.

 

[jmdrake]

Ummm,

Eisenhower: During World War II, he was Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force in Europe. He ran the show.

Duh. But that has nothing to do with the fake justification for a coup in 1953. Not unless you believe the lie that "If I save you today (for my own purposes) I have the right to destroy you tomorrow." I didn't know I had to spell out the obvious.

 

[Danke]

Duh. But that has nothing to do with the fake justification for a coup in 1953. Not unless you believe the lie that "If I save you today (for my own purposes) I have the right to destroy you tomorrow." I didn't know I had to spell out the obvious.

You were responding to the bot who wrote: "Thanks to Eisenhower we took Hitler out of power."

With:

jmdrake said:
"You're a moron. Hitler was dead way before 1953." The year Eisenhower began his presidency.

 

[nikcers]

You're a moron. Hitler was dead way before 1953.


You're a moron. Nobody said Boko Haram were the good guys. The point is that the Christian Nigerian government is being bullied by Trump for a reason. Oil. Trump could have offered assistance to the Christian Nigerian government during his first term. He didn't. It's only after Shell divested from the Niger Delta that Trump all of a sudden "discovered" a problem that Obama addressed before Trump's first term.

Im not wrong Eisenhower beat Hitler in World War 2 and liberated Iran which was occupied territory.

First they were occupied by the Natzis then they were occupied by the Soviet Union.

The same Soviet Union that just a few years previously raped every woman in Berlin.

Then in '53 he put a stop to the Iranian socialist revolution that was part of the cold war and the only reason why the cold war didn't turn into world war 3 is because people like Eisenhower prevented it from becoming world war 3.

Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr, all took actions to prevent World War 3.

Thats why the Soviet Union got clapped and countries like Iran weren't raped because of the USA.

The cold war was never World War 3 because the west didnt let it happen.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Iran was our allies in world war 2 and in the cold war. They helped us win World War 2 and the cold war.

The only reason why that country sucks today is because the Mullahs took over Iran and went to war with the USA.

The only reason why the USA is only intervening now is because the USA can't be everywhere at the same time.

In Trump's prior administration we were fighting on more fronts.

In Trump's second administration Europe is actually defending themselves so we don't have to put so many resources into just keeping the Russians in check.

 

[nikcers]

You were responding to the bot who wrote: "Thanks to Eisenhower we took Hitler out of power."

With:

jmdrake said:
"You're a moron. Hitler was dead way before 1953." The year Eisenhower began his presidency.

Everyone seems to forget how Eisenhower was the hero of World War 2 when they call him the bad guy in '53 but I like Eisenhower.

I guess you can have the luxury beliefs of calling Eisenhower the bad guy even though he prevented World War 3 and saved the world from totalitarianism because you had the luxury of not having to fight World War 3 or living under totalitarianism.

 

[acptulsa]

Eisenhower World War 2 Iran Natzis raped every woman in Berlin. Iranian Eisenhower world war 3. World War 3. Iran weren't raped because of the USA.

Iran world war 2 and in the cold war. World War 2 and the cold war.

Iran the Russians

Irrelevant and repetitive claptrap, trying to jack this thread. Reported.

 

[nikcers]

Irrelevant and repetitive claptrap, trying to jack this thread. Reported.

I didn't bring up Eisenhowers intervention in '53. JMdrake did.

Jmdrake can just do these propaganda blasts where the USA is the villain of its own story with historical revisionism and if I reply to it you are just going to say im thread jacking.

No its not threadjacking.

Eisenhower stopped Iran from being raped then and Trump is stopping the Christians in Nigeria from being raped today.

 

[acptulsa]

Everyone can see that the bot was the first in this thread to mention Eisenhower. Mr. Drake mentioned Iran as only one of three examples and the bot has been trying to deflect this thread out of Nigeria ever since.

Threadjack.

 

[jmdrake]

You were responding to the bot who wrote: "Thanks to Eisenhower we took Hitler out of power."

With:

jmdrake said:
"You're a moron. Hitler was dead way before 1953." The year Eisenhower began his presidency.

Right. And Hitler was dead way before 1953 which was the year of the coup. The bot was responding to my post about the 1953 Iranian coup so that's the date that matters, not the date when Eisenhower was over the U.S. army in Europe. Your argument lacks merit.

 

[jmdrake]

Im not wrong Eisenhower beat Hitler in World War 2 and liberated Iran which was occupied territory.

That doesn't justify staging a coup on behalf of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (now British Pertroleum) and you know it.

 

[nikcers]

That doesn't justify staging a coup on behalf of Standard Oil and you know it.

On behalf of the USA which was defending Iran from the Soviet Union and was allies with the monarchy in power.

Nationalizing the oil so that the Iranian government gets to keep all of the profit from the oil and we still have to foot the bill for protecting Iran from the Soviet Union was theft.

Wealth gets created when people are free from government to create wealth. This is economics 101.

We make the world free for self government and so countries can have sovereignty and create wealth. They dont get to keep all of the profits from the free world system.

The mullahs have squandered the wealth of that country trying to over throw the world order so that they can create hegemonic empire in the region and their people have only suffered for it.

Their currency is collapsing and people are protesting in the streets right now.

It didn't have to be that way but it happened because they wanted to steal all of the profits from the oil while the west paid the price to contain global super powers like the Soviet Union from raping them.

They can't do that on their own they don't have the military power.

So they tried to conquer more neighboring countries so they could try to gain the power all while robbing the USA because we paid the price to keep the bad guys in check which includes now the mullahs.

Oil has value and is cheap only because of the value of trade.

Trade that happens because of the free world system that Eisenhower created allows people to trade with eachother over vast distances because Eisenhower created a world where people are free to trade with eachother.

 

[jmdrake]

I didn't bring up Eisenhowers intervention in '53. JMdrake did.

Jmdrake can just do these propaganda blasts where the USA is the villain of its own story with historical revisionism and if I reply to it you are just going to say im thread jacking.

LOL Moron, history isn't a "propaganda blast" and everything done by a U.S. president isn't done for America. Eisenhowers coup wasn't even done on behalf of an American company. Instead it was for British Pertroleum.

No its not threadjacking.

Yes it is threadjacking.

Eisenhower stopped Iran from being raped then and Trump is stopping the Christians in Nigeria from being raped today.

Not in 1953 he didn't. Nobody is arguing what Eisenhower did in Iran during WW 2 was justified. Also the "Let's do war for humanitarian reasons" argument is why Libya has open air slave markets today. Nigeria has been doing airstrikes against these same groups since 2015 WITH NO HELP FROM DONALD TRUMP!

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hadin_Kai?

Now, after doing NOTHING his first term as president, Trump wants to inject himself in an ongoing conflict that's already being dealt with by local government? Whatever bot.

 

[nikcers]

LOL Moron, history isn't a "propaganda blast" and everything done by a U.S. president isn't done for America.


Yes it is threadjacking.


Not in 1953 he didn't. Nobody is arguing what Eisenhower did in Iran during WW 2 was justified. Also the "Let's do war for humanitarian reasons" argument is why Libya has open air slave markets today. Nigeria has been doing airstrikes against these same groups since 2015 WITH NO HELP FROM DONALD TRUMP!

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hadin_Kai?

Now, after doing NOTHING his first term as president, Trump wants to inject himself in an ongoing conflict that's already being dealt with by local government? Whatever bot.

We werent going to keep protecting Iran from the Soviet Union if they nationalized their oil.

That was the deal we made with the Iranian government when the monarchy was in power that we put in power after we kicked the Soviet Union out of Iran in 1946.

 

[jmdrake]

We werent going to keep protecting Iran from the Soviet Union if they nationalized their oil.

Again, this wasn't even done on behalf of an American company.

That was the deal we made with the Iranian government when the monarchy was in power that we put in power after we kicked the Soviet Union out of Iran in 1946.

So you support what you're calling a Mafia protection racket? You don't let us "protect" you so we rape you ourselves? Okay. Again, this wasn't even on behalf of a U.S. company.

 

[nikcers]

Again, this wasn't even done on behalf of an American company.


So you support what you're calling a Mafia protection racket? You don't let us "protect" you so we rape you ourselves? Okay. Again, this wasn't even on behalf of a U.S. company.

It was done on the behalf of our national security and our economy because it was a containment strategy.

We weren't going to protect Iran from the Soviet Union if they nationalized their oil and we werent going to let the Soviet Union take over Iran.

So Iran forced our hand.

Every company in the United States exists solely because of the foreign policy that allows for global trade and prevents us from being dragged into a full blown war.

In a full blown war people get drafted and its hard to make money in a private business isnt it?

You don't make money in a war time economy.

All of the profit margins get taxed to pay for the war.

 

[jmdrake]

It was done on the behalf of our national security and our economy because it was a containment strategy.

We weren't going to protect Iran from the Soviet Union if they nationalized their oil and we werent going to let the Soviet Union take over Iran.

So Iran forced our hand.

That's the convient lie you keep telling yourself on repeat. And it's still no justification for theft and a coup that ultimately led to the mess we have with Iran today. Saudi Arabia nationalized it's oil and the Soviets never took over.

 

[nikcers]

That's the convient lie you keep telling yourself on repeat. And it's still no justification for theft and a coup that ultimately led to the mess we have with Iran today. Saudi Arabia nationalized it's oil and the Soviets never took over.

Yeah it is not justification for theft.

When Iran's government nationalized their oil it was theft.

We liberated them from the natzis and the soviet union and their monarchy promised us they wouldnt nationalize their oil.

It was also theft when we declared independence from our monarchy.

We stole this country from Britain.

The difference being we had the ability to defend ourselves.

In the new world order created after World war 2 there were the winners of the war that created the borders and we created the borders of Iran on the condition that Iran would help us contain global communism from expanding and taking over the world.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah it is not justification for theft.

When Iran's government nationalized their oil it was theft.

We liberated them from the natzis and the soviet union and their monarchy promised us they wouldnt nationalize their oil.

It was also theft when we declared independence from our monarchy.

We stole this country from Britain.

The difference being we had the ability to defend ourselves.

In the new world order created after World war 2 there were the winners of the war that created the borders and we created the borders of Iran on the condition that Iran would help us contain global communism from expanding and taking over the world.

Provide evidence to support your claim that Hitler either invaded or was threatening to invade Iran when the Shah was actually a friend and admirer of Hitler.

Reza Shah and Adolf Hitler: Iran’s History with the Third Reich — Howard Blum

The tensions between Iran and the United States are certainly not new, and neither are governments deciding on a policy of “targeted assassinations.” Consider this true story from WWII of a targeted killing that was launched in Tehran.

www.howardblum.com

 

[nikcers]

Provide evidence to support your claim that Hitler either invaded or was threatening to invade Iran when the Shah was actually a friend and admirer of Hitler.

Reza Shah and Adolf Hitler: Iran’s History with the Third Reich — Howard Blum

The tensions between Iran and the United States are certainly not new, and neither are governments deciding on a policy of “targeted assassinations.” Consider this true story from WWII of a targeted killing that was launched in Tehran.

www.howardblum.com

Admirer of the Shah?

Iran was part of the British Empire before world war 2.

The natzis wanted to destroy Britain.

The same as India was. Thats because before world war 2 it was the previous world order which was the system that was created after World War 1.

The Versailles system agreement which was the system that we didn't join because the USA didn't get any of the spoils of world war 1 so we weren't going to pay to protect it.

Our country was so broke after World War 1 because we didn't get any of the spoils and we were forced to protect it because it was still more profitable for us to have global peace than it was for their to be complete anarchy in the world.

Before the United Nations system which allowed countries like Iran to exist there was another system.

Countries were part of empires before the UN.

Stalin wanted to take Iran and its oil as a prize of World War 2.

Thats what usually happens after wars. The winners get to do whatever they want with the loser.

The USA kept the Soviet Union in check though and thats why Iran wasn't raped.

The USA didn't join the League of nations though but before World War 2 it was the league of nations lead by Britain that was supposed to guarantee that the world is safe for world trade and oil is only valuable because it makes world trade possible. Its the trade that makes it valuable.

 

[jmdrake]

Admirer of the Shah?

Nice attempt at further derailing the subject. You claimed that Eisenhower saved Iran from being "raped" by Hitler. That is now proven to be a lie. It's not "rape" when the interaction is consenual. After Mossadeq was deposed by a coup, Eisenhower put the same Shah back in power. So everything you've been saying in this thread is based on a lie.