Trump says he wants immigrants 'who speak English' and won't 'collect welfare'

AZJoe said:
Trade protectionism is welfare. Government is welfare. Taxes are theft.

Monarchy is welfare. Too bad the guy that advocates for total monarchy cant see that monarchy is also welfare.
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The state's unavoidable.

The question here is: what should the state do with respect to international movement of goods and people.

I'm advocating for a market.

You are, evidently, begging for state protection of select industries.
 
AZJoe said:
Trade protectionism is welfare. Government is welfare. Taxes are theft.

Monarchy is welfare. Too bad the guy that advocates for total monarchy cant see that monarchy is also welfare.
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If we had a king of the world there would be no need for protectionism.
 
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nikcers said:
If I have a ship named "America" and over the years I replace every single piece of it with $#@!, is it the same ship?
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They put the ship, USS America that I spent ten days on once, three miles down off the coast of North Carolina :(
 
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r3volution 3.0 said:
Except that immigrants are more likely to be employed than natives and collect less per capita in welfare than natives...

...other than that, yes, they're the source of our problems.

And, well, ...the entire welfare-regulatory state was voted into being long before 3rd world immigration by an overwhelmingly European electorate.

...whose ancestors in Europe were responsible for 1789 and 1917 and the entire modern communist movement.

But, other than that, the beaners are clearly the problem, because...

...what kind of monster would want inexpensive tomatoes?
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If you want to debate my position on restricted immigration to avoid cultural and political suicide please respond to a post where I lay out that opinion.
I didn't say anything about that here and neither did Trump, please tell me why we shouldn't prioritize English speakers who are not likely to go on welfare for immigration quota slots we have however many that is.
 
If we had a UBI then we wouldnt have to worry about them collecting welfare

cus theyd have a UBI

Problem, solved.
 
timosman said:
Yes, Ron Paul always supported open borders.:cool:
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From my same link above:

"Now there's a lot of antagonism and resentment turned just automatically on immigrants," he continued. "You say, no not immigrants, it's just illegal immigrants. I do believe in legal immigration. I want to have a provision to obey those laws. You have to understand this in the context of the economy."

Paul said he's not one of those politicians who believes that "barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems." That's not, he said, the American way. And he doesn't think that a national identification card is the way to go.
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http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arc...how-to-solve-the-illegal-immigration-problem/

How to Solve the Illegal Immigration Problem
written by ron paul

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s recent speech on immigration really missed the point. I understand Trump’s frustration over the US government’s inability to control the US borders and keep out those who would come to this country illegally. Trump was right that the media ignore legitimate questions we have on our immigration policy and he is right that special interests have a great interest in maintaining the status quo.

However when it comes to really solving the immigration problem he gets it all wrong. And instead of making us more free and prosperous, his solutions will accelerate our downward slide toward authoritarianism.

First let’s consider his idea of building a big wall between the US and Mexico. It is said that all one needs to get over an eight foot fence is a nine foot ladder. Or perhaps a shovel. So walls are never very good at keeping people out. But they are very good at keeping people in. Just ask the East Germans. The communist government claimed in 1961 that it had to build a wall around the portion of Berlin it controlled to keep the population safe from the evil capitalist wreckers and saboteurs. It didn’t take long for the world to realize that the real threat to the East German leaders was that the people trapped in East Berlin would try to get out. We have all seen the horrific videos of East German civilians risking – and losing – their lives to escape that prison of razor wire and cinder block.

Is this really what we want for our own future?

What a wild conspiracy theory, some may claim. The wall would never be meant to keep us from leaving. Well ask the IRS. Under a tax enforcement provision passed in 2015, the US government claimed the right to cancel any American citizen’s passport if Washington claims it is owed money.

Trump also made E-Verify the center of his immigration speech. He said, “We will ensure that E-Verify is used to the fullest extent possible under existing law, and we will work with Congress to strengthen and expand its use across the country.”

While preventing those here illegally from being able to gain employment may appeal to many who would like to protect American jobs, E-Verify is the worst possible solution. It is a police state non-solution, as it would require the rest of us legal American citizens to carry a biometric national ID card connected to a government database to prove that the government allows us to work. A false positive would result in financial disaster for millions of American families, as one would be forced to fight a faceless government bureaucracy to correct the mistake. Want to put TSA in charge of deciding if you are eligible to work?

The battle against illegal immigration is a ploy to gain more control over our lives. We are supposed to be terrified of the hoards of Mexicans streaming into our country and thus grant the government new authority over the rest of us. But in fact a Pew study found that between 2009 and 2014 there was a net loss of 140,000 Mexican immigrants from the United States. Yes, this is a government “solution” in search of a real problem.

How to tackle the real immigration problem? Eliminate incentives for those who would come here to live off the rest of us, and make it easier and more rational for those who wish to come here legally to contribute to our economy. No walls, no government databases, no biometric national ID cards. But not a penny in welfare for immigrants. It’s really that simple.
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Zippyjuan said:
From my same link above:
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Well, I start off with saying that it`s a big problem. I don`t like to get involved with the Federal Government very much, but I do think it is a federal responsibility to protect our borders....And that`s why I don`t think our border guards should be sent to Iraq, like we`ve done. I think we need more border guards. But to have the money and the personnel, we have to bring our troops home from Iraq. Ron Paul


More at: http://www.vdare.com/articles/ron-paul-i-believe-in-national-sovereignty
 
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