Trump resists calls to disclose his tax returns

[r3volution 3.0]

It's nice to see somebody with enough spine to stop letting the liberals define the rules of the damned game, that's for sure.

What is a "liberal"?

How is Donald Trump not a "liberal"?

 

[openfire]

How is Donald Trump not a "liberal"?

For starters, he's politically incorrect - definitely not a liberal trait. He wants to end illegal immigration, globalism, regime changes, nation building and illegal wars of aggression against nations that pose no threat to the US, while working with Russia, a nation currently being set up for conflict by the establishment. He wants to put America first, supports the 2nd amendment and will nominate conservative SCOTUS justices. He is loathed by the media, liberals and neocons alike. He is unlike any liberal I've seen.

 

[openfire]

What is a "liberal"?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

For starters, he's politically incorrect - definitely not a liberal trait.

Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt were overt racists, as were virtually all leftists prior to the 60s.

Maybe you should think about policies instead of words.

He wants to end illegal immigration, globalism, regime changes, nation building and illegal wars of aggression against nations that pose no threat to the US, while working with Russia, a nation currently being set up for conflict by the establishment. He wants to put America first, supports the 2nd amendment and will nominate conservative SCOTUS justices. He is loathed by the media, liberals and neocons alike. He is unlike any liberal I've seen.

He's for socialized medicine, inflationary monetary policy, corporate bailouts, Keynesian stimulus, and protectionism.

That is, he is an entirely typical anti-capitalist politician, and his supporters entirely typical anti-capitalist rabble.

There is no difference between you and any SJW.

 

[Ender]

For starters, he's politically incorrect - definitely not a liberal trait. He wants to end illegal immigration, globalism, regime changes, nation building and illegal wars of aggression against nations that pose no threat to the US, while working with Russia, a nation currently being set up for conflict by the establishment. He wants to put America first, supports the 2nd amendment and will nominate conservative SCOTUS justices. He is loathed by the media, liberals and neocons alike. He is unlike any liberal I've seen.

Ya know, I'm no Trump fan, but it sure is refreshing to get an intelligent answer from a Trump supporter with no attacks and name-calling.

Thanks, Bro and +rep.

 

[CPUd]

Related:
Trump Just Went Full Sanders — Calls for Increasing Minimum Wage and Higher Taxes

 

[r3volution 3.0]

This describes members of the Trump movement perfectly.

They and the SJWs are mirror images of one another.

It's just a different set of feelings which drive them.

 

[hells_unicorn]

What is a "liberal"?

A sizable chunk of Gary Johnson's platform, actually.

Why aren't these people being banned for this garbage?

Considering that CPUd hasn't been banned for flooding this forum and pretending that he's a moderator, I'm guessing that it has something to do with maintaining a level playing field. If spammers can spam, then others can call it spam and maybe throw in a zinger every now and then about the former voting habits of a sizable chunk of people who claim to be Ron Paul supporters.

 

[Ender]

A sizable chunk of Gary Johnson's platform, actually.



Considering that CPUd hasn't been banned for flooding this forum and pretending that he's a moderator, I'm guessing that it has something to do with maintaining a level playing field. If spammers can spam, then others can call it spam and maybe throw in a zinger every now and then about the former voting habits of a sizable chunk of people who claim to be Ron Paul supporters.

Actually some of Johnson's stances are pretty Libertarian:

Gary Johnson on Homeland Security

• American military interventions made terrorist problem worse. (May 2016)
• Brains not bombs: cut off ISIS funding. (Apr 2016)
• Spying on U.S. citizens dismantles the 4th Amendment. (Jan 2016)
• Founding Fathers would be disgusted about spying on citizens. (Jan 2016)
• Overturn simplistic, chaotic, reactive military policies. (Jan 2016)
• Reactive military policies allow real threats to flourish. (Jan 2016)
• Drone strikes create more terrorists. (Nov 2015)
• We should not be Islamophobic, but be Shariaphobic. (Nov 2015)
• Government transparency on 9/11 secret reports. (Mar 2015)
• Drones may create more adversaries than they eliminate. (Oct 2012)
• Why were we in Benghazi or Libya at all? (Oct 2012)
• Should we have 100,000 troops on the ground in Europe? (Aug 2012)
• Patriot Act is a direct assault on privacy & due process. (Aug 2012)
• Torture has created millions of enemies we wouldn't have had. (Aug 2012)
• Cut spending by 43%, but not one penny from veteran benefits. (Apr 2012)
• Let the PATRIOT Act expire; respect habeas corpus. (Jan 2012)
• Due process at Guantanamo; no torture of terrorist suspects. (Jan 2012)
• Allies want more US military spending, but cut by 43%. (Nov 2011)
• 43% reduction in military spending; cut foreign aid too. (Sep 2011)
• No physical or psychological torture of terrorist suspects. (Aug 2011)
• Abolish the TSA; let Patriot Act expire. (Aug 2011)
• No waterboarding under any circumstances. (May 2011)
• Deal with terrorism as a joint federal-state responsibility. (Feb 2001)
• Include states in anti-terrorism planning. (Sep 2001)
• Study terrorist threats against nuclear waste repositories. (Aug 2001)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

 

[CPUd]

Donald Trump Jr. just told everyone the real reason his dad isn’t releasing his tax returns

Donald Trump has been adamant that the sole reason he is the only major presidential nominee in modern history refusing to release his tax returns is because he is under audit by the Internal Revenue Service.

As we've noted, that's sort of a flimsy excuse because you absolutely can release tax returns while under audit; President Richard Nixon did it in 1973. I've written in this space about the six reasons Trump might not want to release his taxes. But, on Wednesday, Donald Trump Jr., the eldest son of the Republican nominee, gave us a simple and sensible explanation: His dad doesn't want the scrutiny.

Here's the relevant passage from Trump Jr.'s interview with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

When asked why his father has not released his tax returns as presidential candidates have traditionally done, Trump Jr. said, "Because he's got a 12,000-page tax return that would create … financial auditors out of every person in the country asking questions that would detract from (his father's) main message."

Right.

That seems to me a remarkably honest answer from DJTJR (that's my preferred abbreviation for Donald Trump Jr). Donald Trump is a very wealthy man and a real estate developer. Everything we know about the tax returns of very wealthy people and developers is that those returns are very complicated and the principals almost always take advantage of every loophole available to them to pay less money. (Developers regularly report negative income for a year and, therefore, pay no taxes.)

No matter what's in there, you can be certain that Trump's tax return would look nothing like the tax return of the average person he is trying to persuade to vote for him. They would be exotic — in much the same way Mitt Romney's tax returns were in 2012. As I wrote about Romney's return in July 2012:

The tax returns speak to a broader Romney problem: convincing average people that he is like them or, at the very least, can understand their lives in some meaningful way.

Romney’s background — his father was a governor and ran for president — is different than most people. His religion — roughly 2 percent of Americans are Mormon — is different than that of most people. And his wealth — as evidenced by his tax returns — is different than most people.

Trump has similar problems. Born in New York City into a wealthy family, Trump has achieved a level of wealth that the average person can't even comprehend. And when it comes to his tax returns, he himself has proudly admitted that he exploited every possible angle to pay as little in taxes as possible.

"I fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible," Trump told ABC's George Stephanopoulos in May. When Stephanopoulos asked what Trump's tax rate was, the real estate mogul responded: "It’s none of your business. You’ll see it when I release. But I fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible."

What Don Jr. did Wednesday then was confirm what we already knew: The reason Trump isn't releasing his tax returns isn't because he is being audited. (It's also not any of the myriad other reasons he has offered to explain why he isn't releasing them.) The reason is simple: He has calculated that the damage done to his campaign in releasing the returns is far worse than the negative press he gets from not releasing them. That's it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eason-his-dad-isnt-releasing-his-tax-returns/

 

[Jamesiv1]

This describes members of the Trump movement perfectly.

They and the SJWs are mirror images of one another.

It's just a different set of feelings which drive them.

You sir, are no lover of liberty.

 

[Zippyjuan]

When asked about why he would not release his taxes, Trump said:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...mp-romney-lost-in-2012-because-of-tax-returns

Mitt Romney lost the presidential race in 2012 because of his tax returns.


"He waited 'til September to give 'em, just before the election. They made him look so bad. It was so unfair," Trump said of the GOP's 2012 presidential nominee on ABC's "This Week."

"I actually think he didn't lose because of the 47 percent [comments]. I think he lost because of a couple of really minor items in a tax return, where he did nothing wrong. ... It is unfair."

Trump, this year's GOP nominee, reiterated that he will release his tax returns after the Internal Revenue Service completes an audit, even though the agency has said he can make them public while an audit is underway.

He doesn't want to take the risk of releasing his. It has nothing to do with the audits.

 

[Danke]

 

[CPUd]

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Why aren't these people being banned for this garbage?

They are not going to be banned; however, you can exercise your neg rep function. Wouldn't take much for a scarlet letter.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Conflicting stories coming from the White House about his returns. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...lease-tax-returns-white-house-adviser-n710511

Donald Trump Will Not Release Tax Returns, White House Adviser Says

Kellyanne Conway, counselor to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that the president would not be releasing his tax returns, reversing months of repeated campaign-trail promises to do so after an audit is completed.

Conway's comments came in response to a Whitehouse.gov petition with more than 200,000 signatures calling on Trump to release his tax returns. Any petition on the site that receives 100,000 signatures in 30 days receives a response from the White House; this petition reached twice that in two days.

"The White House response is that he's not going to release his tax returns," Conway said in an interview on ABC's "This Week."

Trump broke with decades of precedent during the campaign by becoming the first major party nominee since the 1970s to refuse to release his tax returns. He repeatedly cited an ongoing IRS audit in refusing to do so but said he would eventually release them when the audit was completed.

But Trump and his allies have argued that his tax returns are irrelevant, a statement Conway made again on Sunday.

"We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care," she said.

"They voted for him, and let me make this very clear: Most Americans are very focused on what their tax returns will look like while President Trump is in office, not what his look like. And you know full well that President Trump and his family are complying with all the ethical rules, everything they need to do to step away from his businesses and be a full-time president."

Both of Conway's statements are false — multiple polls showed a majority of Americans believe Trump should release his tax returns, including an ABC News/Washington Post survey out last week that found three-fourths of Americans believe he should release them.

And a ProPublica investigation out Friday revealed that despite Trump's pledge to transfer control of his businesses to his children as part of an ethics agreement as president, he hasn't filed any of the necessary documents to do so in Florida, Delaware and New York.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/conw...-releasing-tax-returns-hes-still-under-audit/

Conway Walks Back Statement on Trump Not Releasing Tax Returns: He’s Still Under Audit

Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway is backtracking on a statement which suggested that President Trump is never going to release his tax returns, even after his IRS audit is finished.

During a Sunday show appearance on ABC’s This Week, Conway was asked by George Stephanopoulos about whether the White House had a response to the “We The People” petition which demanded that Trump produce his tax information. Conway had this to say:

“The White House response is that he’s not going to release his tax returns. We litigated this all through the election. People didn’t care, they voted for him.”

As various media outlets took that to mean that Trump will never release his tax returns despite previous promises to do so, Conway took to Twitter on Monday to clarify:

Kellyanne Conway ✔ @KellyannePolls
On taxes, answers (& repeated questions) are same from campaign: POTUS is under audit and will not release until that is completed. #nonews
5:01 AM - 23 Jan 2017
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He is always under audit so no, I do not expect him to release his taxes.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

He is always under audit so no, I do not expect him to release his taxes.

You mean every year of the century he's under audit?

Dude, you're a poor substitute for an already bad original Zip.

 

[Zippyjuan]

You mean every year of the century he's under audit?

Dude, you're a poor substitute for an already bad original Zip.

Almost. Century started January, 2001.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/trump-mexico-city-policy/

Trump's tax returns have been audited by the IRS each year since 2002, the letter said, and Trump's tax returns between those years "have been closed administratively by agreement with the IRS without assessment or payment, on a net basis, of any deficiency," the lawyers stated.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Almost. Century started January, 2001.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/trump-mexico-city-policy/

That ain't always and people go after those with cash.

 

[angelatc]

He has nothing to gain from releasing them, much like Obama had nothing to gain from releasing his college transcripts.