Trump Pushes Back Against Neocon Plan to Invade Syria

[Ender]

you don't have such a president. and people cheered anyways.. Drudge had Trump at 50% approval ratings.

I don't give a shit what Trump's rating's are- never supported him, never will.

 

[timosman]

I don't feel conned because I never supported Trump for the reasons hard libertarians here think I did.

You keep saying it trying to fit my actions into your narrative. Nobody answered my question. What game is Trump playing? He is not playing the "most libertarian president ever"game. He is playing real politics. Syria's strike was a winning move according to the latest developments. It is not a winning move to hardcore principled libertarians. Hey newsflash. I never was a principled libertarian.

Nobody answered my views about solving the issue that power is corrupting elected officials. Oh yea.. because it is not a pure libertarian solution.

It is only corrupting the bad ones.

 

[Mordan]

It is only corrupting the bad ones.

so Power does not corrupt the good ones? How do you define a good one? What moral scale do you use?

 

[Mordan]

If I had that option, I would pick that too.. but that is not reality.

The reality is your dog pooped on your neighbor's lawn. You have the option of picking up the poop on your neighbor's lawn, or dumping 100 tons of manure on their house.

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

 

[dannno]

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

Ya, that pretty much sums it up.

Trump is a million times more libertarian than the globalists, but they prefer the globalists.

 

[twomp]

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

If you have problems with libertarians, you are probably on the wrong message board. Have you considered going to iloveneocons.com? Probably will have posts that are more supportive of your Dear Leader.

 

[twomp]

Ya, that pretty much sums it up.

Trump is a million times more libertarian than the globalists, but they prefer the globalists.

Trump is a globalist. Just because you say he isn't, doesn't make it true.

 

[dannno]

Trump is a globalist. Just because you say he isn't, doesn't make it true.

Just because you say he is, doesn't make it true. Trump is for a global economy, he is actively fighting against global government and the globalists.

 

[CPUd]

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?

 

[openfire]

Reread his post. It's worse than you realized. He actually thinks principles are terrible. "F principles" is what he said.

Well F shills who want us to abandon our principles! Since the ultimate deep state agenda is to get us all to abandon our principles so there will be no one left fighting them, everyone who wants that is either a direct agent of the deep state, or a useless roadblock to our war against the DS. Anyway I don't see why you guys keep feeding those guys. Anyone that far out of sync with Dr. Paul obviously isn't here for anything legitimate.

Yes please do reread my post - the whole post and not just a cherry picked snippet taken out of context.

First of all, given the recent news that Trump has handed over full military decision making power to the MIC, I could have been wrong about him all along. If that's the case, I will be the first to admit that I may have been duped.

HOWEVER... In light of the fact the all western governments have been captured by the same globalist entity, and seeing what these psychopaths have been implementing thus far (Agenda 21/ 2030, open borders, TPP, wars wars and more wars, destruction of European culture and western cultures, eroding national sovereignty, etc...) I think that's it's not inappropriate to temporarily put principles on the back burner if it means electing a less than perfect candidate who is an anti-globalist (at least it appeared that he was).

^ That was the context in which I said "F principles", not to entirely abandon them as you suggest.

Of course I would rather have had Ron or Rand as POTUS, but that wasn't an option, now was it? I would rather have a POTUS who rejects "the false song of globalism", even if it means electing a non libertarian. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette, and to draw upon another cliche, rejecting a candidate who violates certain libertarian principles while honoring others (rejecting globalist centralization of power) would be akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Again this may be a moot point IF, as many here suspect, Trump is a fraud. We shall see.

But this notion that only a pure libertarian is capable of delivering at least some wins for the cause of liberty is foolhardy... As every election passes, we get less and less liberty, and the trend must be reversed ASAP. The first task is to purge the "entity" that has captured the US government. If Trump can do that (becoming less and less likely) than I'm OK with that.

I hope that clears up any confusion regarding the quote in question.

 

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/Hasan_Jneed/status/854077286517223425

 

[openfire]

Trump is a million times more libertarian than the globalists, but they prefer the globalists.

That's been my beef with them all along. Most of the members here are good, well principled and well intentioned people, but half of them have a huge gaping blind spot when it comes to the globalists and the globalist agenda. I don't think they realize the game afoot, who the players are, how pervasive and deeply embedded they are in all levels of government, academia, banking, NGOs, media etc, and what's at at stake... Either that, or they really do prefer the globalists.

 

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/853971097519366144

 

[phill4paul]

If you have problems with libertarians, you are probably on the wrong message board. Have you considered going to iloveneocons.com? Probably will have posts that are more supportive of your Dear Leader.

Que LibertyEagle to say that this is not a libertarian board. 3, 2, 1,............

 

[phill4paul]

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

"Enough?" Try NOT AT ALL.

You can neo-con some, but ya can't con me. Lol.

 

[CPUd]

We just need to smoke weed and do some yoga while President Donald deescalates the shit out of several countries using small 15-minute attacks to build political capital that will be used to enforce world peace and definitely not a boondoggle.

 

[phill4paul]

We just need to smoke weed and do some yoga while President Donald deescalates the shit out of several countries using small 15-minute attacks to build political capital that will be used to enforce world peace and definitely not a boondoggle.

We can hope.

 

[dannno]

That's been my beef with them all along. Most of the members here are good, well principled and well intentioned people, but half of them have a huge gaping blind spot when it comes to the globalists and the globalist agenda. I don't think they realize the game afoot, who the players are, how pervasive and deeply embedded they are in all levels of government, academia, banking, NGOs, media etc, and what's at at stake... Either that, or they really do prefer the globalists.

I feel like about 1/3rd of the forum (or less) who posts are basically globalist shills who either a) don't even recognize that the globalists are a well organized machine or b) are a compensated portion of that machine..

Then there are 1/3rd (or slightly more) who think Donald Trump is a false flag sent by the establishment. I don't think this is completely out of the realm of possibility, but I think it is highly unlikely. I think there would be much more effective ways of accomplishing their goals.

Then there are about 1/3 who are somewhat wary, but generally support Trump and his goals.

 

[Influenza]

I feel like about 1/3rd of the forum (or less) who posts are basically globalist shills who either a) don't even recognize that the globalists are a well organized machine or b) are a compensated portion of that machine..

Then there are 1/3rd (or slightly more) who think Donald Trump is a false flag sent by the establishment. I don't think this is completely out of the realm of possibility, but I think it is highly unlikely. I think there would be much more effective ways of accomplishing their goals.

Then there are about 1/3 who are somewhat wary, but generally support Trump and his goals.

Trump doesn't even support his own goals LOL. "Don't bomb Assad" -> bombs Assad. "Label China a currency manipulator" -> Now they aren't a currency manipulator. "Build a wall and have mexico pay for it." -> admits Mexico won't pay for it.

Here's some other things that 1/3 of RPF generally supports:

1. torture
2. maybe assassinate kim jong un "has heard worse ideas'
3. rip up iran nuclear deal
4. bomb the families of terrorists
5. 54 billion military spending increase
6. eminent domain
7. blind support for police

and so many more great ideas

 

[dannno]

Trump doesn't even support his own goals LOL. "Don't bomb Assad" -> bombs Assad. "Label China a currency manipulator" -> Now they aren't a currency manipulator. "Build a wall and have mexico pay for it." -> admits Mexico won't pay for it.

1. He didn't bomb Assad until he allegedly used sarin gas, and he only bombed the airbase that it allegedly came from and it only lasted 15 minutes. I'm not supporting it, I'm just saying it was extremely minimal compared to what the neocons want to do

2. That was a win by Trump, for all of us

3. He never said Mexico would pre-pay for the wall, he just said they would pay for it and they will. Not that I personally care about that issue. That wasn't at all what made me support Trump.

Here's some other things that 1/3 of RPF generally supports:

1. torture
2. maybe assassinate kim jong un "has heard worse ideas'
3. rip up iran nuclear deal
4. bomb the families of terrorists
5. 54 billion military spending increase
6. eminent domain
7. blind support for police

I don't think anybody here really supports any of that, except maybe some of the anti-Trump people who are paid/trolling and don't really believe in liberty.