Trump Pushes Back Against Neocon Plan to Invade Syria

Wow, that post is completely filled with mainstream media deep state narrative..

I suggest, for your own sanity, checking out my latest "State of Trump" thread. It will at least give you a different perspective that you can think about and consider.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509834-The-First-State-of-Trump-Address

You can't even argue against his points.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

And wtf? YOU are the one pimping mainstream media deep state shit. They are all over Assad and lauding Trump for attacking.

Pull you head out of Trump's ass and smell some fresh air!
 
I agree, but I have a feeling our role there will be quite small. A million times smaller than if Hillary were President and she had us in a boondoggle in Syria. Remember, I'm not saying what Trump is doing is the best way, or the most moral way, I'm just saying it's a million times better than having the deep state running things.

If Hillary were prez, it would be Iraq 2.0.

Unlikely. Hillary would play from the same Bill Clinton, Barack Obama playbook that Trump is playing from which is "Avoid getting Americans upset being sending in ground troops." Seriously I've pointed this fact out to Dannno multiple times. The Bosnia War was "won" with air power alone....and nobody cares about the aftermath. Libya was "won" by air power alone and nobody cares about the aftermath. Hillary is a lot of things, but she's not stupid. We were never at risk for a ground war with a Hillary presidency. What we were at risk for was a confrontation with Russia. And what are we having now? A confrontation with Russia. Here's the million dollar question. What happens if everytime Assad starts a significant bombing campaign against the rebels, they respond by "crossing the red line" on behalf of Assad by using chemical weapons and blaming them on Assad? What then? Does Trump implement a de facto "no fly zone" over Syria? That was my concern with Hillary, that she would impose a no fly zone, Russia wouldn't go along, and conflict could break out. But a full ground invasion by a democrat neocon is not in the cards. That's just not how they operate or have operated since Vietnam. Every military operation since then, from Carter funding the Mujahadeen, to Clinton bombing Bosnia, to Clinton authorizing special forces to go after Aidid in Somalia, to Obama's air war over Libya has either been air power alone, special forces alone or some combination of both. Republicans tend to do the ground wars from Reagan's invasion of Grenada to poppy Bush's invasions of Panama and Kuwait to Dubya's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrat's learned that high U.S. casualties are what turn people against war as opposed to the morality or immorality of the military action itself.
 
Sorry Danno . "Political capital" is no justification for bombing another country in violation of the Constitution, international sovereignty, international law, ethics, morality, sanctity of life. Nor does "15 minutes" of bombing make the bombing any more justified. And it did not get "us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world." Rather it set us miles behind, destroying relationships and diplomacy with Russia, China, and North Korea, and revealing to the entire world that Washington is a blatant liar, and cannot be trusted, and has no respect for intentional law or national sovereignty. And the show of force also turned out to be a show of ineptitude, and incompetence to boot - a laughing stock. It is an utter failure of the highest magnitude.

Nor is going after ISIS a justification for violating the national sovereignty of Syria to forcible "help it" against its will clean up the "pooh" Washington caused. Without the permission of Syria it is an illegal invasion and an act of war. Syria has every legal right to forcibly rebuff any Washington invaders.

Lastly, if you think US troops are in Syria to help Assad and Syria, you are still drinking the laced Kool Aid. They aren't there to respect Syrian sovereignty or the will of the Syrian people. If they were, they wouldn't be there. Washington may (or may not) actually be actively targeting ISIS (as opposed to supporting them) for political kudos now that they are on the ropes anyway, but it sill wants regime change and control over the Syrian government. It still wants to set up control zones inside Syria outside of Syrian government reach from which to launch more regime change/destabilization/color revolutions to forcibly get its will over he Syria. It may have abandoned its ISIS ploy to destabilize Syria, but it is still striving to destabilize the country . Witness the recent lies about the gas attack, and the impulsive need to act immediately without evidence and oppose any investigation to uncover truth. This time they may not call them "moderate" rebels, but it will be some new group - perhaps more Wahhabi Jihadis under a new name, perhaps some Kurdish group, or perhaps some other Sunni group to be trained, armed and played to implement Washington's bidding.

The one thing you know for sure is they are not there with permission. They are not there to support Syria or its government. They are illegal migrants in violation of national sovereignty and sent in violation of US Constitution and law. "Pooh" or no "pooh", There is no justification for it whatsoever. The US does not need to be in Syria at all!
Must spread some rep around.
 
I never said whether it was justified or not, I'm just pointing out the massive amount of benefit he received from doing it and that maybe it was about more than starting some neocon quagmire which you guys seem convinced is going to happen. I don't think it will. If you prefer a globalist neocon quagmire to a 15 minute attack on an empty airbase, then I'm sorry but we will have to disagree.
 
I never said whether it was justified or not, I'm just pointing out the massive amount of benefit he received from doing it and that maybe it was about more than starting some neocon quagmire which you guys seem convinced is going to happen. I don't think it will. If you prefer a globalist neocon quagmire to a 15 minute attack on an empty airbase, then I'm sorry but we will have to disagree.

I guess they're OK letting the embedded deep state, neocon, fascist, globalist parasites enslave us all. F that. F principles. I prefer to resist these mf*ckers in any way, shape or form. At this point, I've seen nothing from Trump that can't be justified. The alternative is much worse.
 
What else besides a moron would you call a person who - according to you - appointed a bunch of bad people to be his advisers so that they could give him bad advice so that then he could fire them... and then forgets his plan, ends up taking their bad advice instead, and spends $100 million attacking a foreign country based on this known-bad advice?

Clearly all this stuff is fake news "narrative".
 
I never said whether it was justified or not, I'm just pointing out the massive amount of benefit he received from doing it and that maybe it was about more than starting some neocon quagmire which you guys seem convinced is going to happen. I don't think it will. If you prefer a globalist neocon quagmire to a 15 minute attack on an empty airbase, then I'm sorry but we will have to disagree.

As so the benefit of Obama bombing Libya was what exactly? The benefit of Clinton bombing Bossnia was what exactly? Democrats post Vietnam don't like ground wars. Trump is behaving like a typical democrat.
 
I guess they're OK letting the embedded deep state, neocon, fascist, globalist parasites enslave us all. F that. F principles. I prefer to resist these mf*ckers in any way, shape or form. At this point, I've seen nothing from Trump that can't be justified. The alternative is much worse.

LOL @ anyone who says they care about principles and they support Donald Trump. Note that Ron Paul is taking the same position that most of the rest of us are taking. Ron Paul must lack principles. :rolleyes:
 
LOL @ anyone who says they care about principles and they support Donald Trump. Note that Ron Paul is taking the same position that most of the rest of us are taking. Ron Paul must lack principles. :rolleyes:

Ya, I took the same position as you all did if you recall - but I also recognize that Trump gained massive amounts of political capital that he may be able to use to create peace, and if a 15 minute air raid on an empty airbase achieves that then I certainly prefer that plan to a massive globalist military boondoggle.

I mean, how the hell was he supposed to make any sort of deals with Russia while the media was maligning Putin for getting Trump elected, and Trump being a Putin stooge. It would have been impossible. Now that narrative is dust, and Trump can move on and actually accomplish something. It's called forward thinking, Trump has it.
 
Ya, I took the same position as you all did if you recall - but I also recognize that Trump gained massive amounts of political capital that he may be able to use to create peace, and if a 15 minute air raid on an empty airbase achieves that then I certainly prefer that plan to a massive globalist military boondoggle.

I mean, how the hell was he supposed to make any sort of deals with Russia while the media was maligning Putin for getting Trump elected, and Trump being a Putin stooge. It would have been impossible. Now that narrative is dust, and Trump can move on and actually accomplish something. It's called forward thinking, Trump has it.

You should ask yourself this question: Have I been brainwashed into putting so much faith into this guy? What if he does not deliver? Your fragile ego will be shattered in thousands of pieces when this happens. Should we create a safe space for you? :cool:
 
You should ask yourself this question: Have I been brainwashed into putting so much faith into this guy? What if he does not deliver? Your fragile ego will be shattered in thousands of pieces when this happens. Should we create a safe space for you? :cool:

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?
 
It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

I think that this is the first time that I have ever heard someone praise a presidential administration for using a military operation to distract from an ongoing investigation.
 
LOL @ anyone who says they care about principles and they support Donald Trump. Note that Ron Paul is taking the same position that most of the rest of us are taking. Ron Paul must lack principles. :rolleyes:
Reread his post. It's worse than you realized. He actually thinks principles are terrible. "F principles" is what he said.

Well F shills who want us to abandon our principles! Since the ultimate deep state agenda is to get us all to abandon our principles so there will be no one left fighting them, everyone who wants that is either a direct agent of the deep state, or a useless roadblock to our war against the DS. Anyway I don't see why you guys keep feeding those guys. Anyone that far out of sync with Dr. Paul obviously isn't here for anything legitimate.
 
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I guess they're OK letting the embedded deep state, neocon, fascist, globalist parasites enslave us all. F that. F principles. I prefer to resist these mf*ckers in any way, shape or form. At this point, I've seen nothing from Trump that can't be justified. The alternative is much worse.
It's odd that you are worried about becoming a slave when you are seemingly content already being one.

Taxed forty percent with a debased currency to boot to fund four million dollar a day White House maintenance and lob 1.5 million dollar missiles around the world and the alternative to that slavery is bad enough that you not only accept the conditions of your slavery you defend your masters.
 
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I think that this is the first time that I have ever heard someone praise a presidential administration for using a military operation to distract from an ongoing investigation.

Greenfoot Count lost in the woods?
 
It's odd that you are worried about becoming a slave when you are seemingly content already being one.

Taxed forty percent with a debased currency to boot to fund four million dollar a day White House maintenance and lob 1.5 million dollar missiles around the world and the alternative to that slavery is bad enough that you not only accept the conditions of your slavery you defend your masters.

I would say he's a bit more than content. Lol, he comes here for his version of two minutes of hate.
 
It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Are you actually defending, "wagging the dog"?!

You see, this is emblematic of what Trump has done to your brains. You were conned. But instead of coming to that realization, you're doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to make things fit. In fact, you're actually supporting military action as a way to gain political power!! You will completely drop any pretense of principles if it'll help you believe the fairy tale that you didn't fall for the con. You'd be much, much better off if you'd just admit it and move on. At least then, you'd maintain a shred of dignity.
 
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