Trump Pushes Back Against Neocon Plan to Invade Syria

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[LibertyEagle]

Good. Grief.

You sure like to ASSume, dannno.

You're calling ME a shill when YOU have been THE primary Trump supporter here, while all the time denying it.

Go out and get some sun, dude- I think you need a break from the Donald-Love.

Dannno is right. But, then again he has the courage to stand up to the self-appointed mob on this forum, who believes it is their purview to drive anyone off of here who won't walk lockstep with their goosestep.

 

[jmdrake]

If the deep state wanted Trump as President, it would have been completely retarded to come up with a crazy hoax where there is a huge conspiracy among the media to totally discredit themselves, just to get him elected. They have easier ways of doing this stuff.

Sorry, but you, knowingly or unknowingly, are tool of the deep state... NOT for promoting what Ron Paul or some actual liberty proponent says criticizing Trump, you are a tool of the deep state for promoting the shills on here who were posting BS stories about Trump being a Russian agent and about Russian hacking while Ron Paul was dismissing all that as total BS.. Your problem is that you couldn't see where Ron Paul and the shills on here were parting ways, and why that was way more important than where Ron Paul and Trump part ways.

Dannno, I got attacked by your fellow Trump zealots for posting stories about Trump's increasing militarization. That was Ron Paul criticism of Trump. And where were you calling out your follow Trump zealots for that BS? AWOL. So spare me your fake pronouncements of who is or is not a "shill."

As for the media supposedly being against Trump, do the words "controlled opposition" mean nothing to you? The media "attacked" John McCain and Mitt Romney too. Remember how the media was all over Mitt's "47% comment?" Guess what? Romney was still a tool of the NWO. George Soros freaking bankrolled your boy Trump! Now his investment in Trump is paying off. Chew on that.

 

[Ender]

Dannno is right. But, then again he has the courage to stand up to the self-appointed mob on this forum, who believes it is their purview to drive anyone off of here who won't walk lockstep with their goosestep.

That would be YOU.

It is YOU who have dished out the insults, neg reps, and name-calling.

It is YOU who have continually pushed Trump and glorified in continually bettering yourself to those who disagreed.

It is YOU who reigned supreme in your own self-appointed Trump mob and tried to devour anyone who was not in lockstep with your Trumpie goosestep.

 

[TheCount]

The attack on the Syrian air base was extremely effective at achieving multiple objectives, the vast majority of which had absolutely nothing to do with Syria. I don't support it, although the damage was minimal, but it achieved numerous objectives that may help lead to world peace as well as helping advance Trump against the deep state so I won't own the decision but the outcome is undeniable.

Bombs for peace. Attacking a sovereign nation for peace. Starting war to reduce state power. Sounds reasonable.

 

[Origanalist]

The Fed is NOT safe from audit, Trump has said he wants to audit the fed and we may have some bills coming up soon.

Trump is helping Rand pass his healthcare plan, if you think Trump actually supported RyanCare then you are foolish and you need to go read the threads where I addressed this topic. Rand was talking to Trump 2-3 times a week, and Rand told Trump straight up it wasn't going to pass, it didn't have the votes. Trump knew it wasn't going to pass, so he supported it to make sure it was all Paul Ryan's failure and none of it could be blamed on him. Trump hates Paul Ryan.

Trump is going to help save Syria, with Russia's help.

Welcome to my sig line. Lol, "Trump said".

 

[AZJoe]

Against plan to invade Syria? He is already in Syria

 

[Mordan]

How does Obamacare Lite help Trump though?

It is part of a deal. Have you ever played a political board game such as Res Publica Romana ?

My understanding is that Trump tried something. He said he would repeal Obamacare day one. He tried and he failed. Partly because of Ryan.
Anyways Trump is NOT a libertarian. Libertarians like danno or myself supporting Trump does not make Trump a libertarian.
Trump is a human being and his close advisers will shape the agenda.
Looking at knee jerk reactions from people all over the world, I would say the only cool headed statesman is Putin.
On the economic agenda Trump is going to go full Keynesian. I don't care. The system is beyond saving.[EDIT buy gold and bitcoin as a hedge and you will fine] Trump knows it, denounced it during the campaign but once holding the reigns of power, he does not have any other choice but to continue playing the musical chair game. Trump does not want the system to implode under his presidency. So he will play along the FED system.

Board shills can call me an conned moron. Trump already did beyond my expectations by winning despite the MSM and the blue/red establishment. Trump showed it can be done. Board shills will try to downplay Trump's achievement because it hurts their little emotional ego.

Now if only Hillary could go to jail before January...

 

[dannno]

Against plan to invade Syria? He is already in Syria

Semantics.

Trump is in Syria taking out ISIS, which is a group the deep state has created using taxpayer dollars to fund to take out Assad and his government. It's like picking up your dog's poop on your neighbor's lawn.. sure, you're trespassing, but your neighbor appreciates it.

 

[jmdrake]

How does Obamacare Lite help Trump though?

It's simple. Trump has no principles. Seriously I don't know why you and others can't see this. Forget all of the "Ivanka wants a new pony" or "Trump is being blackmailed by Mossad for being a pedophile" conspiracy theories. Trump is being Trump. Trump likes to win. How do you win a GOP primary in a year where the GOP electorate is angrier than ever? Sound like the angriest guy on the stage and focus all of your attention on the one issue that angry GOPpers seem in 100% agreement on which is immigration. That's it. Trump never was on your side. Not unless your side is winning. Paul Ryan seemed to have a winning formula for healthcare. Trump was ready to jump on it. Why? Because Trump likes winning. RyanCare went down in flames, Trump took Rand Paul golfing. If Rand's plan goes done in flames, Trump will casually cast him aside for the next mover and shaker in D.C. that promises him a "win." That's it. That's all he cares about. The sooner you figure that out, the happier you'll be.

 

[jmdrake]

Semantics.

Trump is in Syria taking out ISIS, which is a group the deep state has created using taxpayer dollars to fund to take out Assad and his government. It's like picking up your dog's poop on your neighbor's lawn.. sure, you're trespassing, but your neighbor appreciates it.

If your neighbor is already cleaning up the poop and says "Thanks but no thanks", you are trespassing. If you bitch slap your neighbor because you disapprove of the way he is getting up the poop, you are definitely trespassing. Does Trump have permission from the government in Syria to be in Syria? No? Then he is trespassing. And the missile strike is Trump's bitch slap.

Russia and Syria were already clearing out ISIS while Obama was still president. The U.S. doesn't need to be there at all.

 

[jmdrake]

It is part of a deal. Have you ever played a political board game such as Res Publica Romana ?

Sure. It's a political game for Trump. And all he cares about is winning. He has no principles. He promised universal healthcare for crying out loud.

Board shills can call me an conned moron. Trump already did beyond my expectations by winning despite the MSM and the blue/red establishment. Trump showed it can be done. Board shills will try to downplay Trump's achievement because it hurts their little emotional ego.

Obama went beyond my expectations by winning. Hillary was supposed to beat Obama in 2008. Obama was being pumped for sure, but he was supposed to fall in line as the VP candidate and not take the whole enchilada. Why do you think Hillary started that whole "birther" thing?

Now when it comes to ego, yours is quite fragile. I didn't attack you, but you neg repped me for pointing out the obvious to Dannno which is that Trump is a George Soros puppet. Why is it it's okay to suggest that Trump is being blackmailed for possibly being a pedophile, or that he's being cucked by his own daughter, but not okay to point out Trumped documented connection to George Soros and his long time habit of making mega donations to the Clinton foundation and other liberal causes? Why was I routinely attacked by your fellow Trump supporters by pointing out that as late as 2000, Donald Trump wrote in his own book that he supported an assault weapons ban? It's simple. It's your ego. You'd rather believe that somehow you are "right" about Trump actually supporting what you support and is just a hollow shell of a man that will do whatever his daughter wants, or worse is a pedo sicko that is being blackmailed, than believe that you were wrong about Trump all along, and that Trump has no principles and that he was playing you for a sucker.

Oh, and if Trump really is being blackmailed about Orgy Island than I hope he and Bill share a cell over that.

 

[AZJoe]

Semantics.

Trump is in Syria taking out ISIS, which is a group the deep state has created using taxpayer dollars to fund to take out Assad and his government. It's like picking up your dog's poop on your neighbor's lawn.. sure, you're trespassing, but your neighbor appreciates it.

What laced kool aid has Danno been drinking? These missiles strikes were not against ISIS. The missile strikes supported ISIS and Al Qaeda. The missile strikes were directly against the Syrian government, helping to protect ISIS and Al Qaeda. The Syrians do not appreciate having their nation bombed or Washington protecting ISIS and Al Qaeda by trying to take out Syria's air force.

To use Danno's ridiculous dog pooh analogy, its like the neighbor's dog poohs in Danno's yard, so then the neighbor comes over himself and takes a crap on Danno's sofa and flings it in Danno's face, and then promises to be back to take more craps all over Danno's house, while preventing Danno from cleaning up the neighbor's dog pooh.

 

[Mordan]

Sure. It's a political game for Trump. And all he cares about is winning. He has no principles. He promised universal healthcare for crying out loud.

I played such a game. Once you taste power, all you care about is winning.

Some people still didn't get the wisdom from the Lord of the Rings.

Conclusion. Public servants must be completely naked. Public servants relinquish all their ego and the assets. They become tools. Their individuality is stripped from them.
The US constitution is flawed in that regard. The president and the 10 people right below him should be just that. Guardians and executors of the constitution.

 

[dannno]

What laced kool aid has Danno been drinking? These missiles strikes were not against ISIS. The missile strikes supported ISIS and Al Qaeda. The missile strikes were directly against the Syrian government, helping to protect ISIS and Al Qaeda. The Syrians do not appreciate having their nation bombed or Washington protecting ISIS and Al Qaeda by trying to take out Syria's air force.

To use Danno's ridiculous dog pooh analogy, its like the neighbor's dog poohs in Danno's yard, so then the neighbor comes over himself and takes a crap on Danno's sofa and flings it in Danno's face, and then promises to be back to take more craps all over Danno's house, while preventing Danno from cleaning up the neighbor's dog pooh.

No, no, you got it wrong again.

I was responding to a statement that you made about us being "in" Syria or whatever, and how we are already there or something..

I responded by explaining that we are in Syria fighting against ISIS.

We were in Syria for a whole 15 minutes 'fighting Assad', by bombing a small empty airbase.. and that bombing did not hurt Assad very much, yet it got us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world. It got the globalists off Trump's back for 5 seconds about him being a Russian agent. It achieved massive amounts of political capital for Trump.

 

[openfire]

No, no, you got it wrong again.

I was responding to a statement that you made about us being "in" Syria or whatever, and how we are already there or something..

I responded by explaining that we are in Syria fighting against ISIS.

We were in Syria for a whole 15 minutes 'fighting Assad', by bombing a small empty airbase.. and that bombing did not hurt Assad very much, yet it got us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world. It got the globalists off Trump's back for 5 seconds about him being a Russian agent. It achieved massive amounts of political capital for Trump.

^ This.

 

[dannno]

Russia and Syria were already clearing out ISIS while Obama was still president. The U.S. doesn't need to be there at all.

I agree, but I have a feeling our role there will be quite small. A million times smaller than if Hillary were President and she had us in a boondoggle in Syria. Remember, I'm not saying what Trump is doing is the best way, or the most moral way, I'm just saying it's a million times better than having the deep state running things.

 

[openfire]

I agree, but I have a feeling our role there will be quite small. A million times smaller than if Hillary were President and she had us in a boondoggle in Syria. Remember, I'm not saying what Trump is doing is the best way, or the most moral way, I'm just saying it's a million times better than having the deep state running things.

If Hillary were prez, it would be Iraq 2.0.

 

[AZJoe]

We were in Syria for a whole 15 minutes 'fighting Assad', by bombing a small empty airbase.. and that bombing did not hurt Assad very much, yet it got us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world. It got the globalists off Trump's back for 5 seconds about him being a Russian agent. It achieved massive amounts of political capital for Trump.

Sorry Danno . "Political capital" is no justification for bombing another country in violation of the Constitution, international sovereignty, international law, ethics, morality, sanctity of life. Nor does "15 minutes" of bombing make the bombing any more justified. And it did not get "us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world." Rather it set us miles behind, destroying relationships and diplomacy with Russia, China, and North Korea, and revealing to the entire world that Washington is a blatant liar, and cannot be trusted, and has no respect for intentional law or national sovereignty. And the show of force also turned out to be a show of ineptitude, and incompetence to boot - a laughing stock. It is an utter failure of the highest magnitude.

Nor is going after ISIS a justification for violating the national sovereignty of Syria to forcible "help it" against its will clean up the "pooh" Washington caused. Without the permission of Syria it is an illegal invasion and an act of war. Syria has every legal right to forcibly rebuff any Washington invaders.

Lastly, if you think US troops are in Syria to help Assad and Syria, you are still drinking the laced Kool Aid. They aren't there to respect Syrian sovereignty or the will of the Syrian people. If they were, they wouldn't be there. Washington may (or may not) actually be actively targeting ISIS (as opposed to supporting them) for political kudos now that they are on the ropes anyway, but it sill wants regime change and control over the Syrian government. It still wants to set up control zones inside Syria outside of Syrian government reach from which to launch more regime change/destabilization/color revolutions to forcibly get its will over he Syria. It may have abandoned its ISIS ploy to destabilize Syria, but it is still striving to destabilize the country . Witness the recent lies about the gas attack, and the impulsive need to act immediately without evidence and oppose any investigation to uncover truth. This time they may not call them "moderate" rebels, but it will be some new group - perhaps more Wahhabi Jihadis under a new name, perhaps some Kurdish group, or perhaps some other Sunni group to be trained, armed and played to implement Washington's bidding.

The one thing you know for sure is they are not there with permission. They are not there to support Syria or its government. They are illegal migrants in violation of national sovereignty and sent in violation of US Constitution and law. "Pooh" or no "pooh", There is no justification for it whatsoever. The US does not need to be in Syria at all!

 

[dannno]

Sorry Danno . "Political capital" is no justification for bombing another country in violation of the Constitution, international sovereignty, international law, ethics, morality, sanctity of life. Nor does "15 minutes" of bombing make the bombing any more justified. And it did not get "us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world." Rather it set us miles behind, destroying relationships and diplomacy with Russia, China, and North Korea, and revealing to the entire world that Washington is a blatant liar, and cannot be trusted, and has no respect for intentional law or national sovereignty. And the show of force also turned out to be a show of ineptitude, and incompetence to boot - a laughing stock. It is an utter failure of the highest magnitude.

Nor is going after ISIS a justification for violating the national sovereignty of Syria to forcible "help it" against its will clean up the "pooh" Washington caused. Without the permission of Syria it is an illegal invasion and an act of war. Syria has every legal right to forcibly rebuff any Washington invaders.

Lastly, if you think US troops are in Syria to help Assad and Syria, you are still drinking the laced Kool Aid. They aren't there to respect Syrian sovereignty or the will of the Syrian people. If they were, they wouldn't be there. Washington may (or may not) actually be actively targeting ISIS (as opposed to supporting them) for political kudos now that they are on the ropes anyway, but it sill wants regime change and control over the Syrian government. It still wants to set up control zones inside Syria outside of Syrian government reach from which to launch more regime change/destabilization/color revolutions to forcibly get its will over he Syria. It may have abandoned its ISIS ploy to destabilize Syria, but it is still striving to destabilize the country . Witness the recent lies about the gas attack, and the impulsive need to act immediately without evidence and oppose any investigation to uncover truth. This time they may not call them "moderate" rebels, but it will be some new group - perhaps more Wahhabi Jihadis under a new name, perhaps some Kurdish group, or perhaps some other Sunni group to be trained, armed and played to

The one thing you know for sure is they are not there with permission. They are not there to support Syria or its government. They are illegal migrants in violation of national sovereignty and sent in violation of US Constitution and law. "Pooh" or no "pooh", There is no justification for it whatsoever. The US does not need to be in Syria at all!

Wow, that post is completely filled with mainstream media deep state narrative..

I suggest, for your own sanity, checking out my latest "State of Trump" thread. It will at least give you a different perspective that you can think about and consider.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509834-The-First-State-of-Trump-Address