Trump Picking Pence As Running Mate

I mean he is boring. Few Americans know him, and the media will have no interest covering him.

These are the words of someone who has never paid much attention to politics. That's the only way I can make sense of you saying that. If Pence had run for president this cycle, he probably would be the Republican nominee right now instead of Trump.
 
I still support Trump. But nice to see people that never supported him being gleeful. Like that changed anything for you.
 
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There ya go... Keep rationalizing things in your head. Instead of looking at what Trump has just done, look at what YOU think he might have really been doing that he just doesn't want to tell everyone else. This method of consuming information has worked so well so far this primary season.

Actually, you are the one who keeps rationalizing every glass half full, as a glass half empty situation. Pence as a "picking Cruz-without-Cruz" decision is based on political history (it is widely known that GHW Bush chose Quayle in '88 to attract Jack Kemp supporters, without picking Kemp himself). It's also consistent with Trump's already established pattern (ala the Apprentice) of making selections based on his preference for loyal team people, who have "shown him something" during their evaluation.

Pence evidently passed that process. Were you prepared to say good words about Trump, if he made a better choice? Of course not. So I'm the one referencing what Trump has done, whether I like the resulting choice or not, while you're one dumping on him again, regardless of what he does.
 
That's because the only people who thought those were Trump's 3 biggies were former Ron Paul supporters who made believe that Trump agreed with them when he never did.


These are the words of someone who has never paid much attention to politics. That's the only way I can make sense of you saying that. If Pence had run for president this cycle, he probably would be the Republican nominee right now instead of Trump.

Pence probably couldn't get reelected in IN this year, and you have him winning the national nomination? I'll take my judgment on Trump over yours anytime.
 
Pence evidently passed that process. Were you prepared to say good words about Trump, if he made a better choice? Of course not. So I'm the one referencing what Trump has done, whether I like the resulting choice or not, while you're one dumping on him again, regardless of what he does.

Lol - I had no illusions that Trump might have made a good choice. I don't watch reality TV shows, so I don't know the "pattern", but I've seen the man in action and understand him for what he is - not what I want him to be. Seriously, go back and read your post 155. Clearly, you can tell you are trying to justify this in your head, by inferring things that you hope to be true.

I'm not "dumping on Trump" - that's too easy and not worth the effort - I'm showing you how you are deluding yourself. You are buying the con. But you can't bring yourself to recognize it.

Every time he says or does something that is EXACTLY opposite of what you think he should be doing or saying, you still defend it. Here we have an authoritarian whose salesmanship is so good that he is convincing otherwise rational people that he is the answer to whatever ails them. And what ails them? Well, that depends on what you want to believe about him - but he has the cure for you.

Tell us... Are you planning on making these same kinds of self-rationalizations should he get the ability to start selecting SC Judges??
 
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although I have heard good things, his record on foreign policy in particular is absolutely atrocious. Trump didn't have many great choices but he should have chosen a libertarian or Ben Carson(even if a liability). The religious aspect also will hurt Trump with independents. All he is doing is winning over a few of the butthurt neocon voters.

Having said that, he's better than Gingrich or Christie but at least Christie was loyal to Trump on a personal level that Pence won't be.
 
The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq (Pence voted for amnesty, supported TPP and voted for the Iraq war). The only two things that may redeem it is Trump chose him to fortify and energize social conservatives behind him (Pence is like picking Cruz, without the sleaziness or the constitutionally unqualified issues), and picking him shuts up the establishment donors, without changing the actual agenda Trump intends to pursue.

Trump may well have considered the matter of "assassination bait" involved in picking an establishment favorite, and deliberately picked the lamest and most unexciting one he could tolerate as his running mate, to neutralize the elite as much as possible. Pence is an evangelical, after all, and that factor is the real reason why the establishment did not warm up to Cruz in the primaries. The IN Governor also did not look like he was going fare well in his reelection, which does not fit the winning profile the elite wants in its Presidential figureheads. It is thus improbable that Pence (absent a barbell accident) will be ever following Trump as President, and reversing his policies.

Trump picked the guy least likely to get him laughed at by the press, his opponents and the group of voters he needs to keep from losing in a landslide. It's transparent, and really that simple.
 
I'm not "dumping on Trump" - that's too easy and not worth the effort - I'm showing you how you are deluding yourself. You are buying the con. But you can't bring yourself to recognize it.

Reality check, once again---I'm the one who said Pence was a bad choice both before Trump made it, and after Trump made it. And I'm the one who made history-based points about why he did it. How is that being delusional? It's you who keep making fact-free pronouncements, but can't bring yourself to recognize it.

Trump picked the guy least likely to get him laughed at by the press, his opponents and the group of voters he needs to keep from losing in a landslide. It's transparent, and really that simple.

Trump leads Hillary in several battleground states, and trails her within the margin of error in most of the others, after being outspent 40-1 by her over the last few months in those states. She can't bury him, even when hers was the only side spending any money, and despite his having a bad June. That's a straightforward sign of his polling strength, even before Pence was picked, showing it's Hillary who faces the threat of losing by a landslide.
 
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Reality check, once again---I'm the one who said Pence was a bad choice both before Trump made it, and after Trump made it. And I'm the one who made history-based points about why he did it. How is that being delusional? It's you who keep making fact-free pronouncements, but can't bring yourself to recognize it.

Lol - history-based.

The choice of Pence was terrible, especially in terms of Trump's three biggies of restricting immigration, opposing globalist trade deals, and opposing nation-building interventions like Iraq (Pence voted for amnesty, supported TPP and voted for the Iraq war). The only two things that may redeem it is Trump chose him to fortify and energize social conservatives behind him (Pence is like picking Cruz, without the sleaziness or the constitutionally unqualified issues), and picking him shuts up the establishment donors, without changing the actual agenda Trump intends to pursue.

Trump may well have considered the matter of "assassination bait" involved in picking an establishment favorite, and deliberately picked the lamest and most unexciting one he could tolerate as his running mate, to neutralize the elite as much as possible. Pence is an evangelical, after all, and that factor is the real reason why the establishment did not warm up to Cruz in the primaries. The IN Governor also did not look like he was going fare well in his reelection, which does not fit the winning profile the elite wants in its Presidential figureheads. It is thus improbable that Pence (absent a barbell accident) will be ever following Trump as President, and reversing his policies.

You are bending over backwards trying to find a rational explanation for a decision that doesn't comport with you previously held beliefs. Please look up cognitive dissonance and how people respond to cognitive dissonance. This post is a PERFECT example.
 
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You are bending over backwards trying to find a rational explanation for a decision that doesn't comport with you previously held beliefs. Please look up cognitive dissonance and how people respond to cognitive dissonance. This post is a PERFECT example.

It's a perfect example of your irrational selectivity. The observations you highlighted were based on history and fact, as itemized in the NEXT post or reply to you, which you skipped mentioning. Whereas your observations have been rehashed without facts, or are contradicted by actual history. One more fact, to evidence that Trump is on the same wavelength as SC voters, is this week's 700 Club interview where Pat Robertson admits he's been a close friend of Trump's for years:

 
Reality check, once again---I'm the one who said Pence was a bad choice both before Trump made it, and after Trump made it. And I'm the one who made history-based points about why he did it. How is that being delusional? It's you who keep making fact-free pronouncements, but can't bring yourself to recognize it.



Trump leads Hillary in several battleground states, and trails her within the margin of error in most of the others, after being outspent 40-1 by her over the last few months in those states. She can't bury him, even when hers was the only side spending any money, and despite his having a bad June. That's a straightforward sign of his polling strength, even before Pence was picked, showing it's Hillary who faces the threat of losing by a landslide.

If you want to go with last poll method to determine who's ahead:

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Clinton is ahead in CO, VA, NC, FL, PA. But Trump is winning bigly in MO. As a reminder, Trump needs to win all the 2012 Romney states, plus FL, OH, PA and 1 other 2012 Obama state. He's losing in NC, and Clinton is within the margin of error in TX. The D's haven't even started on him yet, they are just testing attack vectors by playing Trump's own soundbites, like this one:

 
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