Trump on immigration & war w/Tim Pool at LP 2024 national convention

[Brian4Liberty]

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President Trump Talks Immigration & War With Tim Pool w/ Trump & Kash Patel | Timcast IRL

Trump sat down with Tim Pool for roughly 17 minutes. Kash Patel joins for the first hour and a half.

 

[Anti Federalist]

[SPLIT FROM: Libertarian Party 2024 POTUS/VP ticket: Chase Oliver & Mike ter Maat]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?559879-Invasion-USA&p=7232312&viewfull=1#post7232312

Ah, OK, got it now.

I don't see where I said I didn't care about NGO funding.

But I am in favor of every cut you can possibly imagine.

But I don't really care, and the reason why, is even if you ended all the funding, the handouts, the free $5000 Visa cards...even if you ended all of it, there would still be an invasion going on.

These people are being organized by enemies of our nation, funded and organized outside the US, and they will keep coming until we wake up and repel them with force and deport them, or we are conquered, and become third class citizens in what was our home.

And our notions of freedom, liberty, bills of rights and everything else will relegated to that status as well.

I can't make myself any more clear than that I think.

 

[PAF]

Ah, OK, got it now.

I don't see where I said I didn't care about NGO funding.

But I don't, and the reason why, is even if you ended all the funding, the handouts, the free $5000 Visa cards...even if you ended all of it, there would still be an invasion going on.

These people are being organized by enemies of our nation, funded and organized outside the US, and they will keep coming until we wake up and repel and deport them, or we are conquered, and become third class citizens in what was our home.

And our notions of freedom, liberty, bills of rights and everything else will relegated to that status as well.

That's what I call rightarian philosophy - which is no better than leftarians. The first rule is to defund the source, and then see where you are. You don't call for more government/police-state solutions [which is happening before our very eyes] while the same government is creating and funding the actual problem.

Now you see why I don't like rightarians anymore than I do leftarians - they are all stinking-statists, plain and simple.

But I'd still have a beer with ya

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's what I call rightarian philosophy - which is no better than leftarians. The first rule is to defund the source, and then see where you are. You don't call for more government/police-state solutions [which is happening before our very eyes] while the same government is creating and funding the actual problem.

Now you see why I don't like rightarians anymore than I do leftarians - they are all stinking-statists, plain and simple.

But I'd still have a beer with ya

Same here...it's called a disagreement.

It's one I have had with libertarian doctrine for thirty years.

I support strong borders and immigration control.

I also support tariffs.

And a number of other things that libertarians oppose.

 

[PAF]

Same here...it's called a disagreement.

It's one I have had with libertarian doctrine for thirty years.

I support strong borders and immigration control.

I also support tariffs.

And a number of other things that libertarians oppose.

And the reason why government will always grow and have direct control over your life [with consent, no less], so don't cry like a little baby about what is/has been happening. I hate to put it this way because I believed there was some hope, but, big, expansive government loves people exactly like you ;-)

 

[Anti Federalist]

And the reason why government will always grow and have direct control over your life [with consent, no less], so don't cry like a little baby about what is/has been happening. I hate to put it this way because I believed there was some hope, but, big, expansive government loves people exactly like you ;-)

Why should I take advice on how to save a nation and a people and a culture from someone who does not believe in any of those things?

 

[PAF]

Why should I take advice on how to save a nation and a people and a culture from someone who does not believe in any of those things?

I don't know. You have to figure that out.

Sound money & full accountability, and individual natural rights are off the top of my head, none of which you support. But, each to his own.

Hey, your way has been tried and done since your government contract [Constitution] was ratified, and look at the result, so why worry about anything? Just keep the machine moving; right hand feeds the left, feeds the right, on-and-on. Plus, it gives you the added bonus of giving you something to chuckle gripe about.


Which makes the whole idea of secession preposterous, when the constitution you so revere was designed to promote socialism in the first place

 

[Snowball]

I don't know. You have to figure that out.

Sound money & full accountability, and individual natural rights are off the top of my head, none of which you support. But, each to his own.

Hey, your way has been tried and done since your government contract [Constitution] was ratified, and look at the result, so why worry about anything? Just keep the machine moving; right hand feeds the left, feeds the right, on-and-on. Plus, it gives you the added bonus of giving you something to chuckle gripe about.


Which makes the whole idea of secession preposterous, when the constitution you so revere was designed to promote socialism in the first place

The Constitution is invalid. Rhode Island signed under duress.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know. You have to figure that out.

I have.

You do not like my solutions, but they will work.

Sound money & full accountability, and individual natural rights are off the top of my head, none of which you support. But, each to his own.

I defy you to find a quote from me anywhere of me denouncing the concept of sound money.

Or natural, individual rights.

Hey, your way has been tried and done since your government contract [Constitution] was ratified, and look at the result, so why worry about anything? Just keep the machine moving; right hand feeds the left, feeds the right, on-and-on. Plus, it gives you the added bonus of giving you something to chuckle gripe about.

For hundreds of years, as colonies and as an independent nation, we led the world in innovation, manufacturing, standard of living and liberty.

60 years ago, when I was born, we started the debt machine, when Henry Kissinger handed our manufacturing and money over to the Communist Chinese.

At the same time, we opened the nation's doors to every nation and people on earth, many from abject shitholes and idiot populations.

And it's been all downhill since.

The body politic of this country, seduced by the alien mind virus, decided to shoot itself in the head.

I was just an infant or not even born yet.

Don't complain to me that corpse is now stinking.

I'm trying to get it out in the backyard to bury, while carrying a bag of lime on my shoulder, and you're off to the side, mocking me and throwing banana peels.

Which makes the whole idea of secession preposterous, when the constitution you so revere was designed to promote socialism in the first place

I take my cues from the Declaration of Independence.

 

[PAF]

I have.

You do not like my solutions, but they will work.

No I don't like them. Because they won't work. Not without a full-blown police-state, which involves violating my individual natural born rights in the process. I don't sacrifice liberty for your or anybody else's false-sense of security.

I defy you to find a quote from me anywhere of me denouncing the concept of sound money.

Does "No...I'm not going to do that." ring a bell?

Or natural, individual rights.

See first sentence above.

For hundreds of years, as colonies and as an independent nation, we led the world in innovation, manufacturing, standard of living and liberty.

60 years ago, when I was born, we started the debt machine, when Henry Kissinger handed our manufacturing and money over to the Communist Chinese.

There you go again, blaming the wrong time, and the wrong people.

At the same time, we opened the nation's doors to every nation and people on earth, many from abject $#@!holes and idiot populations.

And it's been all downhill since.

I blame the ones taking advantage. I blame the ones who put such things into law. But I blame the ones who allowed it to happen even more, as well as those who don't care about spreading the truth to the root cause of the problem, certainly after it has been spelled out to them.

The body politic of this country, seduced by the alien mind virus, decided to shoot itself in the head.

I was just an infant or not even born yet.

But you're here now, trying to make a difference. What difference that is, I have no clue.

Don't complain to me that corpse is now stinking.

Why not? Who should I complain to when "we the people", not government politicians, determine our fate?

I'm trying to get it out in the backyard to bury, while carrying a bag of lime on my shoulder, and you're off to the side, mocking me and throwing banana peels.

Take a Tums, AF, it's just friendly biker-bar conversation

I take my cues from the Declaration of Independence.

No you don't. Because "illegal". You're a Constitutionalist, after all, don't you remember?

 

[Anti Federalist]

No I don't like them. Because they won't work. Not without a full-blown police-state, which involves violating my individual natural born rights in the process. I don't sacrifice liberty for your or anybody else's false-sense of security.

How does placing Marines along the border, while still allowing free access to citizens, both in and out, create a police state?

You could eliminate the 100 mile Constitution Free Zones right off the bat.

Does "No...I'm not going to do that." ring a bell?

That was in reference to changing the "Invasion USA" thread name.

What does that have to do with sound money?

 

[fisharmor]

How does placing Marines along the border, while still allowing free access to citizens, both in and out, create a police state?

If there is no natural right to move about, then there is a police state - particularly if free movement is actively curtailed by armed goons.
If the privilege of free movement is not God-given and is doled out by the state, then that is at least one natural right you deny.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If there is no natural right to move about, then there is a police state - particularly if free movement is actively curtailed by armed goons.
If the privilege of free movement is not God-given and is doled out by the state, then that is at least one natural right you deny.

I shoot a man invading my home.

Am I guilty of "restricting his right to move about"?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

If there is no natural right to move about, then there is a police state - particularly if free movement is actively curtailed by armed goons.
If the privilege of free movement is not God-given and is doled out by the state, then that is at least one natural right you deny.

Certainly. But what constitutes a special or emergency situation where such actions may be temporarily necessary?

By almost any measure, what we have now is an invasion, albeit one funded and encouraged by elements of our own government and the WEF-related global plutocracy. Because of this, the current administration denies that it is an emergency, and thus does nothing.

But that does not change the essential facts, nor does it prevent people from speaking out against it, at least for the time being while we still have a little freedom of speech and thought. Those "freedoms", or natural rights, are arguably much more at risk than freedom of movement (for now).

 

[PAF]

I shoot a man invading my home.

Am I guilty of "restricting his right to move about"?

In your home is fine, if that's what you need to do. For open public places, where is your deed?

 

[PAF]

Certainly. But what constitutes a special or emergency situation where such actions may be temporarily necessary?

By almost any measure, what we have now is an invasion, albeit one funded and encouraged by elements of our own government and the WEF-related global plutocracy. Because of this, the current administration denies that it is an emergency, and thus does nothing.

But that does not change the essential facts, nor does it prevent people from speaking out against it, at least for the time being while we still have a little freedom of speech and thought. Those "freedoms", or natural rights, are arguably much more at risk than freedom of movement (for now).

Without picking on anybody in particular [ [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ], most people that I talk to have not a clue what an "NGO" even is. They incorrectly believe that they are coming here using their own money or using local community funding from where they originate. Don't you think if just the republicans alone would know that their tax money is funding the DHS/NGOs who are transporting them in that there wouldn't be ground-swell to DEFUND them?

Which is why I asked AF to rename his "Invaders" thread, to help raise awareness to any visitors to this site. But, bitching and moaning and a call for arms seems to be more popular.

 

[CCTelander]

I shoot a man invading my home.

Am I guilty of "restricting his right to move about"?

The next time someone crosses the border straight into your living room, blast away with my blessing.

Otherwise, not a valid analogy.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Without picking on anybody in particular [ @Anti Federalist ], most people that I talk to have not a clue what an "NGO" even is. They incorrectly believe that they are coming here using their own money or using local community funding from where they originate. Don't you think if just the republicans alone would know that their tax money is funding the DHS/NGOs who are transporting them in that there wouldn't be ground-swell to DEFUND them?

Which is why I asked AF to rename his "Invaders" thread, to help raise awareness to any visitors to this site. But, bitching and moaning and a call for arms seems to be more popular.

They came before the NGOs and they would invade without the NGOs.
They come to consume the wealth they didn't create and impose their tyrannical politics and criminal tendencies.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The next time someone crosses the border straight into your living room, blast away with my blessing.

Otherwise, not a valid analogy.

My country is equivalent to my house when it comes to foreigners.

 

[Swordsmyth]

In your home is fine, if that's what you need to do. For open public places, where is your deed?

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.