Trump Monday Prime Time Address: Afghan Strategy

[acptulsa]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ion-Afghanistan-Sets-Record-for-Growing-Opium

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Pakistan-War-a-natural-gas-pipeline-(article)

There's lots more on this site, if you can trick the search engine into finding it for you.

 

[Origanalist]

Trump owns this war now.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump owns this war now.

Maybe now the media will attack him for it, and maybe he will then get us out.

 

[Ender]

We're there to prevent Russia from building a pipeline across it to transport natural gas from the Caucuses to the sea, to build our own pipeline across it from the Caucuses to the sea, because it's the best place on earth to grow poppies (the CIA likes to control the source of the world's opiates) and because it's one of, like, three places on earth (with Iran and North Korea) which does not have a Rothschild central bank printing its money.

Dubya said bin Laden was there, but as you'll recall, we found him in Pakistan. Why Trump is pretending Afghanistan is a major source of terrorism isn't hard to figure out. But it ain't so.

Actually OBL died in Dec of 2001 from terminal illness and had nothing to do with 911. The whole Pakistan charade was a false flag.

 

[acptulsa]

Maybe now the media will attack him for it, and maybe he will then get us out.

I predict a major thaw in MSM-Trump relations, now that he has come out of the closet as the Orange Neocon.

And Ender, you'll note I didn't say we found him alive. I just said we found him in Pakistan.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Now we have THE ISSUE for a primary challenge.

Will someone rise to champion it?

 

[Influenza]

wtf I only logged on to read danno comments I'm really disappointed this is BS

 

[Zippyjuan]

wtf I only logged on to read danno comments I'm really disappointed this is BS

Trump can have that effect on people.

 

[francisco]

wtf I only logged on to read danno comments I'm really disappointed this is BS

lol, me too

 

[Swordsmyth]

[h=1]In Angry Tweetstorm, Ron Paul Lashes Out At "Neocon" Trump[/h]
Below is a chronological rundown of Ron Paul's progressively angier tweets, as he was live commenting on Trump's speech:

• Hoping for the best in tonight's @realDonaldTrump speech but fearful that foreign intervention is only going to get worse. #Afghanistan
• Steve Bannon brakes removed. Neocons feeling their oats.
• The military personnel are the victims of bad foreign policy.
• Sad that these wars the politicians argue for are unconstitutional yet we are told we are over there defending the Constitution.
• Mr. President it's too bad you do not follow your instincts.
• Planned in Afghanistan? What about Saudi Arabia??
• What's wrong with rapid exit? We just marched in we can just march out.
• So far very discouraging. Sounds like pure neocon foreign policy.
• The promoters of war win. The American people lose. #Afghanistan
• Remember: there was no al-Qaeda until our foolish invasion of Iraq based on neocon lies.
• The American people deserve to know when we are going to war and MUST give you permission through their representatives in Congress!
• Emphasis on Pakistan just means the war going to be expanded!
• Emphasis on military alliance with India may well lead to more vicious war between nuclear states Pakistan and India. Smart?
• Terrorism is one thing, but what about massive collateral damage? Killing civilians creates more terrorism. Round and round we go.
• Shorter Trump: "Afghanistan: give us your minerals!"
• Nothing new. More of the same. Obama was wrong. This is NOT the good war. Sooner we get out the better.
• More killing is not the road to peace.
• The emphasis on the "grave danger" of terrorism is greatly exaggerated. But more intervention surely creates more terrorism.
• How many Americans are really sitting around worrying about an Afghan terrorist coming over and killing them?
• So many of our problems are self-inflicted by a deeply flawed foreign policy. US troops - and the family members - suffer the consequences.
• Big issue of the night: US expanding the war into Pakistan. Could precipitate more conflict between nuclear India and Pakistan.
• If Americans are tired of 16 year war, how will they feel about another decade or two? When will they wake up?
• Our ultimately "hasty" departure from Vietnam finally ended a lot of grief. Even if it came way too late.
• Beware! [MENTION=36670]Lindsey[/MENTION]GrahamSC loves Trump's speech! Why are arch-neocons celebrating so much? Very telling!
• There's nothing hasty about ending America's longest war. [MENTION=17488]potu[/MENTION]S bowed to military-industrial establishment; doubled down on perpetual war.

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/angry-tweetstorm-ron-paul-lashes-out-neocon-trump

 

[Ender]

I predict a major thaw in MSM-Trump relations, now that he has come out of the closet as the Orange Neocon.

And Ender, you'll note I didn't say we found him alive. I just said we found him in Pakistan.

Whatever they "found" wasn't OBL. Always wondered what they dumped in the ocean.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald...rategy-in-televised-address-monday-1503262674

President Donald Trump will give a nationally televised address Monday night to unveil his strategy for the long-running war in Afghanistan, the White House said, a plan expected to include sending as many as 4,000 more troops to the country.

He’ll deliver the prime-time speech from Fort Myer in Arlington, Va., using the same sort of high-profile stage that his predecessor, Barack Obama, employed in laying out a new approach to the war in 2009. Mr. Obama delivered his speech before a national television audience at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y., promising at the time to “bring this war to a successful conclusion.”


I'm sure I'll be disappointed.

Yep, diappointed.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vows-fight-afghanistan-offering-new-details-025336264.html

After years of calling for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, President Trump tried late Monday to rally the country behind an open-ended commitment to plunging as many as 4,000 additional U.S. troops into what is now America’s longest war.

Trump acknowledged that Americans are “weary of war without victory” nearly 16 years after the conflict began. He promised that he shared their frustrations — even as he overrode them with imperatives he said he learned after taking office.

But “a hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum [that] terrorists, including ISIS and al-Qaida, would instantly fill,” giving them room to plot attacks like the Sept. 11, 2001, strikes, the president said.

So, perpetual war. Logically then, any place we invade/attack we cannot leave as a vacuum would be filled.

 

[not.your.average.joe]

I'm watching this thinking - this is the justification for the police state at home.
1) The feds already have our information from spying on us
2) The feds send the military to kill anyone they dislike, disagree with, or feel threatened by
3) The feds claim it was a mistake (the military shot the wrong person when going after a suspected terrorist in America), which is now believable, because the military operates in secret - 'it was an accident' much like those police headlines I see on here all the time

The final move comes when 3) ceases to exist or become necessary, leaving only 1) and 2).

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Develop stronger military relation with India. Demand Pakistan does more.

More "tools of engagement" to the military. "No place is out of reach of American military".

Wants more money and troops from allies.

Wants Afghanistan to offer US money to help pay for US forces from their resources? Will help them rebuild so they can "pay us back".

I erpt in my throat.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Afghans will secure and govern their own nation. We will develop commercial interests to defray our costs.

In other words, we'll set up Afghani stooges to let us raid their natural resources, and we'll help them tax the $#@! out of their goat herders.

Can you say Iran 1970's?

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Four word summary? "More of the same."

"I have a plan".

Yeah, sounds like the times I got drunk with my buddies. Something terrible always starts with one of us saying "I have a great idea".

 

[Raginfridus]

Do you have any sources for your conclusions?

Why do you think the Soviets were keen on holding Afghanistan?

Also, by May of '01, the Taliban had eradicated poppy production. The Times still have an article from the period corroborating this fact. The Talib(an) were almost successful in subduing the plundering, "mujahedin" warlords, to bring about a united, Islamic Afghanistan, as the anti-bolshevik traditionalists had asked for. Then we stepped in, and the warlords became the moderate opposition. By securing and aiding the frontier warlords, we sponsor the plundering and sectarian wars. If we left Afghanistan to another strongman in the Taliban, they could pacify the country again, but Afghanistan will never be secure as long as we stay, but that's why we stay - we don't want security, we want hell on earth.

 

[Aratus]

On the bright side, now he'll own it. Somehow Obama got away without ever really owning the disaster. The anti-war left is sure to wake up now. It's been a long coma.

He talked about a tight lid on both information and public debates. Keeping Congress out of the loop and/or less informed. Censorship.

 

[Aratus]

[h=1]In Angry Tweetstorm, Ron Paul Lashes Out At "Neocon" Trump[/h]
Below is a chronological rundown of Ron Paul's progressively angier tweets, as he was live commenting on Trump's speech:

• Hoping for the best in tonight's @realDonaldTrump speech but fearful that foreign intervention is only going to get worse. #Afghanistan
• Steve Bannon brakes removed. Neocons feeling their oats.
• The military personnel are the victims of bad foreign policy.
• Sad that these wars the politicians argue for are unconstitutional yet we are told we are over there defending the Constitution.
• Mr. President it's too bad you do not follow your instincts.
• Planned in Afghanistan? What about Saudi Arabia??
• What's wrong with rapid exit? We just marched in we can just march out.
• So far very discouraging. Sounds like pure neocon foreign policy.
• The promoters of war win. The American people lose. #Afghanistan
• Remember: there was no al-Qaeda until our foolish invasion of Iraq based on neocon lies.
• The American people deserve to know when we are going to war and MUST give you permission through their representatives in Congress!
• Emphasis on Pakistan just means the war going to be expanded!
• Emphasis on military alliance with India may well lead to more vicious war between nuclear states Pakistan and India. Smart?
• Terrorism is one thing, but what about massive collateral damage? Killing civilians creates more terrorism. Round and round we go.
• Shorter Trump: "Afghanistan: give us your minerals!"
• Nothing new. More of the same. Obama was wrong. This is NOT the good war. Sooner we get out the better.
• More killing is not the road to peace.
• The emphasis on the "grave danger" of terrorism is greatly exaggerated. But more intervention surely creates more terrorism.
• How many Americans are really sitting around worrying about an Afghan terrorist coming over and killing them?
• So many of our problems are self-inflicted by a deeply flawed foreign policy. US troops - and the family members - suffer the consequences.
• Big issue of the night: US expanding the war into Pakistan. Could precipitate more conflict between nuclear India and Pakistan.
• If Americans are tired of 16 year war, how will they feel about another decade or two? When will they wake up?
• Our ultimately "hasty" departure from Vietnam finally ended a lot of grief. Even if it came way too late.
• Beware! [MENTION=36670]Lindsey[/MENTION]GrahamSC loves Trump's speech! Why are arch-neocons celebrating so much? Very telling!
• There's nothing hasty about ending America's longest war. [MENTION=17488]potu[/MENTION]S bowed to military-industrial establishment; doubled down on perpetual war.

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/angry-tweetstorm-ron-paul-lashes-out-neocon-trump

dang

 

[milgram]

Breitbart vs. Trump is underway