Trump Monday Prime Time Address: Afghan Strategy

[goldenequity]

Trump: US Will Not Use Armed Forces to Build Democracy Abroad Anymore
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Not even 2 weeks ago:

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[Brian4Liberty]

We're there to prevent Russia from building a pipeline across it to transport natural gas from the Caucuses to the sea, to build our own pipeline across it from the Caucuses to the sea, because it's the best place on earth to grow poppies (the CIA likes to control the source of the world's opiates) and because it's one of, like, three places on earth (with Iran and North Korea) which does not have a Rothschild central bank printing its money.

Dubya said bin Laden was there, but as you'll recall, we found him in Pakistan. Why Trump is pretending Afghanistan is a major source of terrorism isn't hard to figure out. But it ain't so.

It's usually a confluence of reasons. All of those apply. But let's not forget the most basic strategy. The Empire wants a beachhead in Central Asia. Afghanistan is it. A base of operations to launch attacks on other nations. Pakistan was mentioned, but look at the neighbor on the other side that was not mentioned in the speech: Iran. That is the major motivation.

Can you say Iran 1970's?

Or Operation Iran Chaos 2018...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Actually OBL died in Dec of 2001 from terminal illness and had nothing to do with 911. The whole Pakistan charade was a false flag.

Yeah, that's a conspiracy hypothesis that I don't buy into. Carry on.

 

[acptulsa]

It's usually a confluence of reasons. All of those apply. But let's not forget the most basic strategy. The Empire wants a beachhead in Central Asia.

Well, I disagree it's the goal. Natural gas is always a major factor in their schemes, and the greatest spot on earth for growing poppies (with the market for opioids the way it is in an America full of old baby boomers) is bound to fill the drug-dealing CIA with lust.

But, yes, of all the major motivating factors, that's certainly another one of them. Maybe not the easiest one to spoon feed to sdssubball23, but valid and compelling nonetheless.

Yeah, that's a conspiracy hypothesis that I don't buy into. Carry on.

Nor I. But after seeing both Dubya and Obama kiss the Saudi Royal Ring, I do firmly believe that after the Saudi royal bin Laden died of his useless kidneys, we were called in to, shall we say, provide the funeral arrangements.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Well, I disagree it's the goal. Natural gas is always a major factor in their schemes, and the greatest spot on earth for growing poppies (with the market for opioids the way it is in an America full of old baby boomers) is bound to fill the drug-dealing CIA with lust.

But, yes, of all the major motivating factors, that's certainly another one of them. Maybe not the easiest one to spoon feed to sdssubball23, but valid and compelling nonetheless.

It's what had the neocons like Rubio, McCain and Ms. Lindsey doing happy dances after the speech. It helps their Iran strategy. To confirm, some twit from The Weekling Standard was on Fox this morning emphasizing the Iran angle, and complaining that Trump didn't call Iran out specifically.

They celebrated yesterday, but now they wish he had been more explicit.

 

[jllundqu]

The deafening silence by the Trump supporters on these forums is all you need to know about Trump's 'new' Neoconner foreign policy.

I'd simply like to take this opportunity to deliver a public service message to those that tried to convince us just how 'non interventionist' Trump was going to be:

FUCK YOU, PISS OFF, and go back to reading National Review.... leave us Anti-war freedom lovers in peace. 3D chess, my ass.

And let me spare you the usual... "BUT BUT HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE" bullshit... we ain't buying what your peddling.

 

[acptulsa]

And let me spare you the usual... "BUT BUT HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE" bull$#@!... we ain't buying what your peddling.

Actually, I believe the Wicked Witch of Western Arkansas would have been worse. About an inch worse. Perhaps two teaspoons worse. Maybe four grams worse.

Rand got thrown under the bus because we had better odds of nominating the guy who was getting more press, and he was the lesser evil. So we pissed away all that public dissatisfaction--our best chance in a lifetime--to get guaranteed two teaspoons less evil. Well. Hand out the medals.

 

[Raginfridus]

Well, I disagree it's the goal. Natural gas is always a major factor in their schemes, and the greatest spot on earth for growing poppies (with the market for opioids the way it is in an America full of old baby boomers) is bound to fill the drug-dealing CIA with lust.

Afghanistan was supplying half the world's production of opium poppies, before the Taliban initiated their purge of the crop. By late May '01, the UN and US were in agreement: the Taliban had eradicated poppy. What's the situation today?

Big Pharma battle heroine addiction with, you guessed it: opiates. Our military are narco-terrorists, plain and simple.

 

[Ender]

Yeah, that's a conspiracy hypothesis that I don't buy into. Carry on.

Uh- not a conspiracy hypothesis. It was pretty well-known throughout the ME. Leaders who validated it ended up dead.
Not to mention OBL had nothing to do with 911. It was all a ruse for war.

Also, when the US was threatening war the Taliban even offered OBL to Bush IF he would be held & tried in a neutral country. Bush just bombed them instead.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Big Pharma battle heroine addiction with, you guessed it: opiates. Our military are narco-terrorists, plain and simple.

So US big pharma is getting raw materials for opiate drugs straight from Afghanistan?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Uh- not a conspiracy hypothesis. It was pretty well-known throughout the ME. Leaders who validated it ended up dead.
Not to mention OBL had nothing to do with 911. It was all a ruse for war.

Also, when the US was threatening war the Taliban even offered OBL to Bush IF he would be held & tried in a neutral country. Bush just bombed them instead.

Uh, yeah, it's a conspiracy hypotheses, as it has not been proven. As far as the odds of it being correct in it's entirety as you have stated, slim to slimmer.

 

[acptulsa]

So US big pharma is getting raw materials for opiate drugs straight from Afghanistan?

Poppies are the raw ingredient, and no land is more perfect for growing them.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Poppies are the raw ingredient, and no land is more perfect for growing them.

But is there a legitimate pipeline of it being imported to US pharmaceutical companies? Or is it being done illegally? Or is there some other supplier?

I'd wager they could grow very nicely in other places, like California.

 

[Swordsmyth]

acptulsa already addressed this but the media loves war. they will forget they hate him altogether if the body count escalates.

Yes but they attacked Shrub Jr. over his wars, Republicans have a target painted on their backs even when they do what THEY want.

The media won't be satisfied until only Demoncrats hold office.

 

[goldenequity]

But is there a legitimate pipeline of it being imported to US pharmaceutical companies? Or is it being done illegally? Or is there some other supplier?

I have a 'favorite' place to bypass google algorithms/suppression on certain subjects...
so I just typed a simple search parameter for 'opioid' here
You should find many any/everything related.
and
a further tip: if/when you get to a 'transcript' (like a 'George' transcript)
and want to penetrate/search it:
open transcript/
open 'find' from your Win menu/
type in 'opioid'/
clik up/dwn arrows to highlight any/all text reference(s).

Here's Fentanyl

 

[acptulsa]

But is there a legitimate pipeline of it being imported to US pharmaceutical companies? Or is it being done illegally? Or is there some other supplier?

I'd wager they could grow very nicely in other places, like California.

It is grown other places, including California. But opiate-producing poppies are very particular about their environment. Too much rain, and they just don't produce thebaine.

Here's an article from the New York Times in 2014 which doesn't mention Afghanistan, but certainly could point to a motivation for the Afghan Quagmire...

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/...supplier-to-drug-companies-faces-changes.html

Nearly a half-century of assiduous plant breeding, a gentle climate and tight regulations have given Tasmania a hammerlock on production of one of the pharmaceutical industry’s most important raw materials. Tasmania, which is about the size of West Virginia, grows about 85 percent of the world’s thebaine, an opium poppy extract used to make OxyContin and a family of similarly powerful prescription drugs that have transformed pain management over the last two decades. It produces all of the world’s oripavine, another extract, which is used to treat heroin overdoses and shows promise in controlling other addictions. Tasmania also accounts for a quarter of the world’s morphine and codeine, two older painkillers from opium poppies that are still widely used, particularly outside North America.

But the global pharmaceutical industry is increasingly worried that it is hooked on the island’s opium poppy supplies.

The two manufacturers that dominate Tasmanian opium extract production have begun twin battles to diversify supply sources and alter the plant’s genome to produce a stronger, more productive crop. The manufacturers, GlaxoSmithKline and Johnson & Johnson, provide narcotic alkaloids to their own painkiller units and to other companies worldwide, which have started demanding that the two giants act to ensure reliable supplies.

“They look at the map of the world, see Tasmania at the bottom, and say, ‘Are we taking a hemispheric risk, and putting all our eggs in one basket?’ ” said Steve Morris, the general manager of opiates for GlaxoSmithKline.

 

[Ender]

Uh, yeah, it's a conspiracy hypotheses, as it has not been proven. As far as the odds of it being correct in it's entirety as you have stated, slim to slimmer.

Actually it was reported and then covered up.

Here's a tiny bit of a whole page of reports about OBL's death that have "disappeared".

In light of Sy Hersh’s claim that the raid on Osama bin Laden in 2011 is “one big lie,” here’s an overview of evidence in support of an alternative narrative: bin Laden died in December 2001 in Tora Bora from a lung complication as a result of kidney failure starting at least since mid-2000.
All sources are from the mainstream news, many of which have since been “scrubbed” from the internet.

2000 to September 2001: Reports Emerge of bin Laden Dying From Kidney Disease

In March 2000 the Chicago Tribune reports that an Afghan witness and “Western intelligence official” say bin Laden is suffering from severe kidney and liver failure.

Link: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/…

This story was also picked up by CBS News in 2000, who outright lead with the title that “Bin Laden Reported to be Dying” from “kidney disease.”

Link: http://web.archive.org/web/20010212010328/..

http://www.anonews.co/binladen-died-2001/

 

[Raginfridus]

So US big pharma is getting raw materials for opiate drugs straight from Afghanistan?

I don't know who supplies us pharm-grade opium, that's not the point. The point is, US-backed Afghanistan's heroine feeds a demand loop for Big Pharma's prescription opiates. Have the US manufactured the demand? Yes. Have Big Pharma colonized another clientele? Absolutely.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Tillerson on TV right now talking about a peace accord in Afghanistan? Facilitate a peace process is the strategy?

So what was that Trump speech all about?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Tillerson on TV right now talking about a peace accord in Afghanistan? Facilitate a peace process is the strategy?

So what was that Trump speech all about?

Talk roughly and carry a big bouquet?

Pursue all options at once?