Trump makes campaign pledge to eliminate fed income tax on tips earned.

[Swordsmyth]

That's what the thread is about, but they had started a side discussion about scaling up the minimum earnings subject to income tax, and that's what I don't recall Ron Paul ever even alluding to.

I never said Ron said anything about that.
But it is the only way you will get rid of the income tax.

 

[PAF]

Inflation is the fault of Congress and Biden.

Ron called for this exact salami slice of removing the income tax on tips.

I blame veto proof majorities for everything they are to blame for.

Ron didn't call for it only to hide hookers and prostitutes ledgers.

While I am for it, Trump is only offering this tiny little bone only so that he can further his globalist agenda, which I am not for.

 

[acptulsa]

Income tax started for just the very rich and then extended downward.
Reversing that is the only way you will get rid of it.

It's good to see Trump using another of Ron's ideas.

I never said Ron said anything about that.
But it is the only way you will get rid of the income tax.

Oh, I see. You started a whole new paragraph so we're supposed to figure out you were changing the subject.

Well. Good thing we cleared that up or someone might have been misled.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, I see. You started a whole new paragraph so we're supposed to figure out you were changing the subject.

Well. Good thing we cleared that up or someone might have been misled.

We are only in a thread about Trump saying to not tax tips in which Trump never said anything about rolling back the income tax from the bottom up.
Anyone but you can see I was not saying that Ron or Trump said what I said, I was simply making the point that what both of them did say fit with that strategy.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ron didn't call for it only to hide hookers and prostitutes ledgers.

While I am for it, Trump is only offering this tiny little bone only so that he can further his globalist agenda, which I am not for.

Bunk.

That's not what Trump wants it for either.



And Trump has an anti-globalist agenda, unlike you.

 

[Invisible Man]

That's not what Trump wants it for either.

That's true. Trump doesn't actually want this at all.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's true. Trump doesn't actually want this at all.

LOL

Your lies get stupider all the time.

 

[PAF]

Bunk.

And Trump has an anti-globalist agenda, unlike you.

Yes, Ron said and did the right thing for the right reason. What you don't get is:

Ron didn't call for it only to hide hookers and prostitutes ledgers.

While I am for it, Trump is only offering this tiny little bone only so that he can further his globalist agenda, which I am not for.

That is Trump's motivation in this. Remember the Stormy trial?

And it helps him with his globalist agenda because people will vote for him.

 

[acptulsa]

And the GOP clearly wants the next president to be a lame duck from Day One. Republicans generally don't hold politicians wearing their brand to their promises, but these are extraordinary times. The Deep State doesn't want a president who worries about getting reelected for the next four years.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's what the thread is about, but they had started a side discussion about scaling up the minimum earnings subject to income tax, and that's what I don't recall Ron Paul ever even alluding to.

Oh c'mon.

You said:

If you want us to believe Ron Paul ever advocated for anything regarding the income tax but excising it in toto you're going to have to prove it.

For Pete's sake, just admit that you were wrong, that you had forgotten about this proposal of Ron's and that Trump has picked it up and is running with it now.

 

[acptulsa]

Income tax started for just the very rich and then extended downward.
Reversing that is the only way you will get rid of it.

It's good to see Trump using another of Ron's ideas.

Oh c'mon.

You said:



For Pete's sake, just admit that you were wrong, that you had forgotten about this proposal of Ron's and that Trump has picked it up and is running with it now.

That is excising it in toto for tips. Did anyone say anything about up to a certain level, or exempting servers who work at places with hundred dollar entrees?

He's being misleading and you're playing word games. Fine. Let's play. For Pete's sake, because you know he never approved of people trying to give Trump credit for things Ron Paul popularized.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That is excising it in toto for tips. Did anyone say anything about up to a certain level, or exempting servers who work at places with hundred dollar entrees?

He's being misleading and you're playing word games. Fine. Let's play. For Pete's sake, because you know he never approved of people trying to give Trump credit for things Ron Paul popularized.

You really can't do it can you?

This is like arguing with my wife.

Think whatever you want dude, I know what I just saw.

 

[acptulsa]

Think whatever you want dude, I know what I just saw.

Do you, though? Or are you just making excuses for the people making excuses for Trump?

You may think whatever you want as well. You may think eliminating income taxes on an entire category of income is the same thing as tinkering with the tax tables...

Income tax started for just the very rich and then extended downward.
Reversing that is the only way you will get rid of it.

Suit yourself. I'm not going to agree.

 

[PAF]

Do you, though? Or are you just making excuses for the people making excuses for Trump?

4 years of Trump and $8+Trillion. See what a little time off can do? Short-term memories, campaign pitches, people feel the phreedum all over again [insert thunderous applause].

He can even pitch Federalized Nationwide "Stop and Frisk" and people don't give it a second thought, let alone a first.

 

[acptulsa]

He can even pitch Federalized Nationwide "Stop and Frisk" and people don't give it a second thought, let alone a first.

That's why Democrats create problems, so Republicans can implement Orwellian "solutions". And Republicans buy the b.s. over and over and over.

Then a Ron Paul pops up in their midst and they try to conflate big government "solutions" (like rewriting the tax tables) with his principled stances.

And then the good old boys weigh in with all the gravitas they can muster and say, waaall, that simple solution Ron Paul mentioned and this complicated big government rewriting of the tax table can sorter do the same thing if it were done right, so let's give this conflater the benefit of the doubt and just say he didn't know what he was conflatin'. And they buy the same bull over and over and can't figger out how nothin' ever stays fixed. Propagandists have been doing that to Republican voters my whole life.

And the sources they trust continue to confuse them, and they continue to let the people they elect get away with literal mass murder because these are pretty good ol' boys compared to that Other Totalitarian Party. And they can't stop. Then they wonder why I won't stop.

It's the same old fucking bait and switch. Oh, say the Republican politicians, let me readjust this tyranny so it's more comfortable for you. Now that Trump borrowed an unprecedented eight trillion and kicked all this inflation off, we will tinker with the tax tables for you. Let me know when the dollar crashes enough that it gets uncomfortable again, and we'll promise to look at fine tuning it some more if we're out of power again and actually need some votes.

No, bitch. I said it's time to hit the fucking reset button.

This is like arguing with my wife.

It's a pity she can't teach you how to listen. Well let's try one more time to get this slowed down between one of your ears and the other. A principled solution is one the Democrats can't just simply undo next time they get power. For example, if we get rid of the income tax, they would have to reinstate it. But an unprincipled "solution" is just a bone thrown to a dog. All anyone has to do to take that particular bone away is borrow and print more money. Then before long we're paying tax on the millionaire table or we can't afford to eat.

That's what we mean when we say, no, the principled solution and this band-aid this Republican offered you don't do the same damned thing, and we ain't just being nitpicky. That has been the disagreement between Republicans and Libertarians since the beginning. We're trying to fix something so it stays fixed past next week, not just jerry-rig shit.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's a pity she can't teach you how to listen.

I listen just fine, but, like a well made radio transceiver, I have a squelch function to filter out bullshit and noise and static.

This thread is about a single policy issued Trump proposed: eliminating income tax on tips, a good idea.

I brought up the fact that Trump told a porky pie when he said he was the first to propose such a thing, that Ron had done so in 2012, also a good thing.

SS repeated that and you then said that you wanted proof that Ron had ever advocated for anything so piecemeal regarding the income tax.

I presented that proof from credible news sources and Ron Paul himself, that he did, in fact, propose 12 years ago the exact same thing Trump is proposing now, which remains a good thing.

And in instead of just admitting that fact, and conceding that you were wrong, you spun, made smoke, and obfuscated the issue.

Like arguing with my wife, who is always right, even when utterly wrong.

Squelch up.

 

[acptulsa]

Squelch up.

You're a mighty good Republican.

And part of the problem.
[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] have you ever noticed that when a Republican accuses you of being nitpicky, it's always a prelude to them attempting to nitpick the shit out of you?

 

[PAF]

You're a mighty good Republican.

And part of the problem.

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] have you ever noticed that when a Republican accuses you of being nitpicky, it's always a prelude to them attempting to nitpick the $#@! out of you?

I forgot to add [insert thunderous applause] to the second paragraph below:

4 years of Trump and $8+Trillion. See what a little time off can do? Short-term memories, campaign pitches, people feel the phreedum all over again [insert thunderous applause].

He can even pitch Federalized Nationwide "Stop and Frisk" and people don't give it a second thought, let alone a first.

Nitpicking us is their way of saying that they absolutely trust and support government "solutions". But they are too afraid to come out of the closet and just say it. Because then they would think that we would be on to them.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You're a mighty good Republican.

And part of the problem.

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] have you ever noticed that when a Republican accuses you of being nitpicky, it's always a prelude to them attempting to nitpick the shit out of you?

I don't know what I am anymore, but I know bullshit when I read it.

You got called out, in facts, with proof, and instead of just manning up and admitting such, you spun, made smoke and bullshitted.

Do better.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Nitpicking us is their way of saying that they absolutely trust and support government "solutions". But they are too afraid to come out of the closet and just say it. Because then they would think that we would be on to them.

You guys have got it bad.

Now Ron Paul's own policy planks are "big government".

I'm going to the bike rally over in Laconia, I'll leave you two lovebirds to keep stroking each other's dicks.:hearteyes: