Trump Goes to War Against Iran

Christian American's blood is on the hands of Iranians. Their state sponsoring terror and providing terrorists with weapons and training have killed thousands of Americans by proxy. If i paid a hitman to kill you i would be responsible for your death. That means they are responsible for the death of Christian Americans.
What are you referring to exactly? Like during the Iraq war, where some of the shia groups were being funded by Iran? If so, all the US servicemen who died in the Iraq war deserved to die. I shed no tears for those who voluntarily served in an obviously immoral war. I applaud their deaths. They were invaders, obviously.
 
If you're not American you have no say in the matter. We fought the revolution because we didn't want other people telling us what to do.

You Americans had helped from the French... During the revolution but its nice to see how your deflecting the Japanese matter. I also remember seeing a old image in it shows a map of Japan in it shows Japan being to the Americans as a means as access to Asia.
 
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Maurice Motamed


Iran Honors Its Fallen Jewish Soldiers

Iran is well-known for its stinging anti-Israeli rhetoric and refusal to recognize what it calls the "Zionist regime."

So, it might have come as a surprise when officials in Tehran unveiled a monument honoring Iranian-Jewish soldiers who died in action during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s.

Iranian officials marked the opening of the memorial on December 15 with a public ceremony, part of which was held at the gravesites of the fallen soldiers.


Photos of the ceremony published by Iran's IRNA news agency showed Iranian officials and members of the Jewish community praying together and placing wreaths on the graves of the soldiers, who were hailed as "martyrs."

Iran has the Middle East's second-largest population of Jews, with around 25,000 living there today, mostly in Tehran, Isfahan, and the southern city of Shiraz. Before a mass exodus following the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Jews numbered over 100,000 in the country.

There are dozens of active synagogues across Iran that attract large gatherings and Jews, like some other minorities, are guaranteed a fixed number of seats in parliament. But Iranian Jews must also swear allegiance to the supreme leader and accept the state religion.

Scott Lucas, an Iran specialist at Birmingham University in Britain and editor of the EA World View website, says the monument allows the Iranian government to uphold its claims that it accepts the country's religious and ethnic minorities, despite being a strictly Shi'ite Islam country.
"The Iranian regime has always upheld the idea that it has this Jewish community unlike Arab states," he says. "They want to show that Iran is multireligious."

Iranian officials have made a clear separation between Iranian Jews and Israel, however.
Mohammad Hassan Aboutorabi-Fard, the vice speaker of the Iranian parliament, made that distinction during a speech at the opening ceremony of the memorial.

"The explicit stances of the Jewish community in supporting the Islamic republic's establishment and their obedience to the supreme leader of the [Islamic] Revolution demonstrate the bonds that originate from the teachings of divine religions," he was quoted as saying by Iran's Tasnim news agency.

But then he went on to condemn the "violent and inhumane" policies of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

President Hassan Rohani has exercised a more open policy toward Israel that is in contrast to his predecessor, Mahmud Ahmadinejad, who gained a reputation as an enemy of Israel after questioning the Holocaust and predicting that what he commonly called the "Zionist" state would not survive. He and others within Iran's leadership also frequently denied the right of Israel to exist.
Rohani has steered clear of such rhetoric, although other officials in his administration have shown less restraint in their criticism of Israel.

"Rohani wants to sell a much more engaged approach not only with Iran's friends, but also its enemies," says Lucas. "So, he has used much more moderate language."


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We STOLE it, Captain Barbosa, with lies & the MIC.

"We" are merely the tools of bigger players with bigger agendas. This isn't about American dominance. Americans (tax slaves) and the military are just tools. It's important to remember that.
 
Nobody is saying Iran is some great bastion of religious freedom, but they have representation in their parliament from both their Christian Armenian heritage and Jewish community, which is more than Israel can say for Palestinians and Saudi can say for their shitty government.
 
[h=2]Lessons from the Iran-Iraq War: Iranian Minorities Won’t Lead Transformative Change[/h]Before joining the Trump administration, National Security Advisor John Bolton penned an article on how to pull out of the Iran nuclear agreement. In it, he also advocated helping ethnic minorities in Iran. Like previous American administrations, the Trump Administration seeks regime change in Tehran. And like the current White House, but more fervently, the Washington establishment assumes Iranian minorities will join in what is being called in certain circles “transformative change.”


Recent nationwide demonstrations in Iran—over the state of the economy, Tehran’s regional activities, corruption, and general disenchantment with the Islamic government—are strengthening the Trump administration’s hopes. But attempts to catalyze religious or ethnic minority protests as a means to transform the Islamic Republic have been a failed US policy for almost as long as the theocracy has existed. This time will be no different. History demonstrates ethnic and religious minorities will neither spur nor lead regime change.

Minorities have worked for more than a century to be incorporated into the modern Iranian nation-state. Most notably, Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians—with the Shia majority—sought to form a constitutional monarchy in 1905. These groups argued for formal inclusion in a new constitution. After all, they, too, fought and bled for the cause of a free and democratic Iran—and are protected religious classes in Islam.


Similarly, minority representatives and their supporters argued that these communities have lived on the lands for millennia—long pre-dating Islam—and have, since ancient times, constituted its history and culture as well as political and economic institutions. The Shia majority agreed and incorporated the political and civil rights of these communities in the 1906 Constitution.


Under the Pahlavi dynasty, Reza Shah and Mohammad Reza Shah sought to reconstruct and resurrect Iran. They envisioned an Iran that combined the glories of pre-Islamic Persia with modern technologies and institutional practices. This meant settling nomadic tribes and transferring the power of provincial sheikhs and tribal leaders to Tehran. It also meant doing what most countries at the time did to assimilate their populations: programming a uniform school curriculum, eliminating publications and news in non-Persian languages, instituting mandatory military service, and carrying out other acts that either imposed the state’s ideology on the populace or encouraged its compliance. These actions caused riots, rebellions, and secessionist movements on the northern and southern borders of Iran.


Before, during, and after World War II, the Soviet Union and Britain sponsored and supported these events in Iran. Both countries used minority discontent to colonize areas rich in natural resources such as oil. In turn, per the research of this academic, the entire Iranian political spectrum increasingly viewed each minority group as a possible “fifth column,” a term that became entrenched through use by the Allied Forces and particularly the American press’ description of the German presence in Iran. After World War II, Iranian publications increasingly mentioned a suspected collaborator’s ethnicity or religion. Distrust of these groups grew and exacerbated existing tensions. It’s this history that American advocates of regime change mistakenly believe will now erupt again with US support.


Why mistakenly? To begin, the Pahlavi state and minority communities increasingly formed a dialogical relationship after monarchical power was consolidated and the security state established in the 1950s. With the borders secured, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi focused on producing his vision of Iran. He considered ethno-religious groups to be Iranian so long as they adhered to his vision. Those who supported Iran in the first half of the century became even more devout to the religion of the secular nation-state. More minorities supported the Pahlavi State because it rewarded all loyal subjects. Eventually, memories of the fifth column minorities receded as communal participation swelled.


As Iran grew more powerful under the Pahlavis, so did its opposition. For four decades, the Pahlavi state and its opposition battled over distinct visions of a future Iran. Everyone—active and non-active participants—experienced this conflict. Because minorities were integral to Iranian society, they were sought after as both partisans for and against the state.
By 1979, communal groups were no different from the monarchists, liberals, left, Khomeinists and other major groups seeking to bring about their idealized Iran. The conflict over contending visions of Iran had engendered a sense of “Iran” as the sacred above other motivators including self-interest. The Pahlavi period produced an allegiance to Iran. As a result, all communities—including ethnic and religious minorities—became willing to sacrifice for Iran.


Not surprisingly, when Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein invaded in 1980, ethnic and religious communities helped make up the responding Iranian military forces. Most research largely overlooks reasons for minority participation.


Responding to the Iraqi invasion, minority group representatives immediately asserted their communities’ desire to defend their country. Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian communities not only offered their support in national newspapers like Kayhan, but also took action. Communal groups volunteered to defend Iran. Archives examined by this academic show that at the start of the Iran-Iraq War these communities, like the Islamic Republic, generally viewed the invasion as a US-supported aggression to destroy Iran.

Iranian religious communities largely defended the land of Iran when the war was defensive in nature, according to this academic’s research. Christian Armenians essentially saved the country at the start of the Iran-Iraq War. Zoroastrians went to the front lines. Arab Ahwazis neither revolted nor fought for Saddam Hussein’s forces; they did not form the fifth column Saddam and others expected to help defeat Iran. Jews also served in defensive war efforts. Baha’is, despite a long history of Iranian government and clerical persecution, volunteered. Individuals from political minority groups outlawed by the Islamic Republic also joined war efforts at the beginning.


This August marks thirty years since the end of the Iran-Iraq War. Iranians think differently about the war now than during the 1980s. For the Iranian people, the war shaped their society, cemented the formation and empowerment of the Islamic Republic, and solidified distrust of the US and the international community. Despite antagonistic views of the Islamic Republic itself, ethnic, religious, and political minorities who participated in that war—like the larger society in which they live—generally have no regrets about having done so. They remain nationalists of the land of Iran.


For these reasons, when the Bush Administration significantly contemplated invading Iran for a three-year period during 2004 to 2007, even minority groups vehemently protested. Iranians argued they had the right to peaceful nuclear development, sought to help the US in the war against Al-Qaeda, and didn’t want the “transition to democracy” forced upon Iraq. The most ardent leftists and ethno-religious minorities spoke heatedly about America’s historical military belligerence interfering with the right of Iranians to choose their government. This included Azeris and Armenians, who have the ability to leave Iran for states formed from the former Soviet Union. Audio-visual materials aimed to revive and solidify Iranian nationalism buoyed anger at the US and the international community believed to support and condone American interventionalist behavior.


Taken together, no significant historical and current evidence supports the Trump administration’s policies specifically aimed at employing Iranian minorities against the Islamic Republic. Like generations before them, these minority groups are tired of being used by one side and scapegoated by the other. The constant focus on minorities only serves to justify the Islamic Republic’s suspicion of them. These communities are the ones who pay for America’s obsession with Iran and its concomitant policy errors.
That these Iranians want a better life and future for their country doesn’t make them supporters of regime change. It means minorities are also nationalists and won’t lead any potential regime change plans.
 
Almost like the contrived embassy "attacks"...

The deepstate is playing some funny games here.

You and I don't usually agree on much but I definitely agree there's a whole lot more to all of this than what we're being led to believe.
 
I'm laughing at the liberals that are apologizing to Iran and crying impeachment or unconstitutional!

If one is upset about Trump killing this POS; but not upset about Obama bombing weddings or assassinating an American teenager then you are a POS as well.
This isn't going to lead to any $#@!ing WW3, that's just the usual hyperbolic exclamations by partisan dumbasses.

I don't really like that Trump did this without congressional approval, but congress abdicated that power decades ago. One can't go whining about it being used now without first impeaching all the presidents before him that did the same damn thing.

Judging Trumps actions on this just through the lens of what other presidents have done (not a constitutional conservative lens), then one would have to say "Good Job Trump." It wasn't like this Soleimani $#@! was flying into Baghdad on a peacekeeping mission; he was there to stir $#@! up.

*note, if you were anti-Bush doing this $#@! and anti-Obama doing this $#@!, then you still have the right to be upset about Trump doing this $#@!. by all means, carry on.

At the risk of repeating myself (and not to anyone in particular)... congress authorized the invasion of Iraq. Trump is the commander in chief so constitutionally authorized to order the attack. Any griping to the contrary (which Democraps are already doing) are just hot air.

I oppose the attacks and killings because Hezbollah and Iran are not a threat to the US. This was a a Zionist/neocon operation, quite obviously, and Trump was their willing fool. This not only worsens the situation over there but definitely could lead to a serious escalation in the Iraq war and even start that war with Iran that Israel wants so badly for the US to carry out. This general wasn't just some soldier.
 
The celebrations like when they were throwing flowers at tanks during the 'liberation' and when Bush declared' 'mission accomplished'
 
The celebrations like when they were throwing flowers at tanks during the 'liberation' and when Bush declared' 'mission accomplished'

Exactly and it this admin wants to take people and its own supporters for fools? I thought hero trump boy was anti war no? either that or he has being completely taken over By NeoCons...
 
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I don't want us there, but the reality is we are there. Focus on reality, not some utopian libertarian society that will never exist. When American's are threatened or killed, I want decisive action.

This began with a missile strike on a US base where a civilian contractor was killed and nobody who was responsible for it. For all we know, it was Israelis. How does that justify the attack on Hezbollah (far away, I might add) and the killing of the general and others? It doesn't.
 
Well at least the line is very clear now and maybe people thought Trump wasn't serious. Do you remember when he stood down the imminent attack on Iran a while back for shooting down a drone, his response no American lives were lost so he wasn't going to take any Iranian ones. This was an interesting perspective.
He warned them very clearly, if even one American life is lost the response will be swift and overwhelming. The more lives lost the bigger the attack, and Trump isn't fooling around either, if Iran wants to plan a bigger badder response that kills dozens, then Trump will respond tenfold.
And target leadership as well.
It's MAD all over again, but Iran can't win this with Trump at the helm. I don't like it at all, war is not a good thing, but Iran needs to be very careful with it's next moves.
This isn't Obama.

At which point the Israelis said to themselves, "So, we need to kill an American to provoke the desired response".
 
I see it all the same . As a former soldier I knew I was never safe in a foreign country . As bad as I was even I was probably not working on as many devious acts of covert war as this guy probably does and if I may be I would fully expect any enemies would take any opportunity to be rid of me. The part that surprises me is that this guy exposed himself so easily . I still hope we fully withdraw from Iraq . Now would be a good time because there will be an increase in activity now.

What country did you serve as a soldier for and where/what countries were you in?
 
I’ll repeat an earlier post..Soleimani wanted to be a martyr.

I'm not seeing that though it was terribly risky to be in Iraq after the deal at the embassy. For all we know, he was there to help calm things down.
 
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