Trump Goes to War Against Iran

[Ender]

Nice Iranian propaghanda. What about the ones in prison?

Open Doors has listed Iran in its top 10 most dangerous countries for Christians for nearly a decade. Pew Research, in a recent report, also lists Iran as having one of the highest levels of government restrictions on religion in the world.

Being a Christian in Iran automatically puts a person’s life at risk, but it’s particularly dangerous for Iranians who have converted from Islam to Christianity. They have to live their faith secretly, pretending they are faithful Muslims when in reality they are Christians. These believers cannot go to one of the few churches the Iranian government has given limited permission to operate; they cannot hold services in Persian; they have to meet in secret to avoid attracting authorities.

Ah, yes, Pew- we know how reliable they are.

Iran: Armenian Christians decorate cathedral for Christmas in Tehran

 

[nikcers]

Ah, yes, Pew- we know how reliable they are.

Iran: Armenian Christians decorate cathedral for Christmas in Tehran

More Iranian propaghanda. They don't have freedom of speech there. Pretending that Iranians have freedom of speech is literally the dumbest thing you have ever posted. You make me laugh out loud when you post this garbage.

 

[nikcers]

No evidence for that statement. If this was even remotely true, it would be talked about constantly in the US mainstream media. Trump would also use this as an excuse to attack Iranian-backed groups. But Trump never mentions anything about Middle Eastern Christians, because Trump, like you, is an ISIS sympathizer who hates Middle Eastern Christians.

Christian American's blood is on the hands of Iranians. Their state sponsoring terror and providing terrorists with weapons and training have killed thousands of Americans by proxy. If i paid a hitman to kill you i would be responsible for your death. That means they are responsible for the death of Christian Americans.

 

[Ender]

More Iranian propaghanda. They don't have freedom of speech there. Pretending that Iranians have freedom of speech is literally the dumbest thing you have ever posted. You make me laugh out loud when you post this garbage.

Freedom of speech? Oh, you mean like free Amuricans who now cannot say anything bad about Israel or risk jail?

 

[mattniers]

Christian American's blood is on the hands of Iranians. Their state sponsoring terror and providing terrorists with weapons and training have killed thousands of Americans by proxy. If i paid a hitman to kill you i would be responsible for your death. That means they are responsible for the death of Christian Americans.

No evidence for Iran killing Americans, Christians or otherwise. If Americans died in Iraq, it's their own fault and they deserve no sympathy.

 

[nikcers]

Freedom of speech? Oh, you mean like free Amuricans who now cannot say anything bad about Israel or risk jail?

If you are comparing laws against American institutions and tax payer funded colleges teaching hatred of a nationality to freedom of speech that is tax exempt i can see why you think Iran has freedom of speech because you don't understand freedom of speech.

 

[mattniers]

If you are comparing laws against American institutions and tax payer funded colleges teaching hatred of a nationality to freedom of speech that is tax exempt i can see why you think Iran has freedom of speech because you don't understand freedom of speech.

Actually Ender understands freedom of speech quite better than an ISIS supporter like you.

 

[nikcers]

No evidence for Iran killing Americans, Christians or otherwise. If Americans died in Iraq, it's their own fault and they deserve no sympathy.

So if i pay a hitman to kill you i am not responsible if i deny all evidence that i paid for a hitman to kill you??

 

[mattniers]

So if i pay a hitman to kill you i am not responsible if i deny all evidence that i paid for a hitman to kill you??

You have no money so you couldn't afford a hitman to begin with.

 

[nikcers]

You have no money so you couldn't afford a hitman to begin with.

I deny all evidence that I have no money. I reject your reality and substitute my own

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Ever seen Tehran pictures at Christmas? Looks like any city in the US.

Sometime after Ted Cruz Christians booing scandal, vaguely recall reading that Christians were treated better in Iraq than Israel before US neocons led 2003 war.
Iran, Dubai, UAE could be better also but have not read any detailed reporting on that.



BBC NEWS | Israel hit by Bible burning row
British Broadcasting Corporation
May 21, 2008 - the burning of hundreds of copies of the New Testament by Orthodox Jews


Religious MK destroy Bible in the Knesset

July 20, 2012



.. MK Michael Ben-Ari (National Union) for tearing a New Testament and throwing it in the trash, the Knesset’s sole Christian MK, Hanna Sweid, said.

From:
Ted Cruz Booed Off Stage At Middle East Christian Conference

It is plausible that wars hungry greed/racially motivated neocon lobbies, alleged anti-semitic Texas based groups like CUFI (Christians United For Israel) have caused thoudands or millions times more harm to mideast Christians than Iran could ever have. Mideast Christians in Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Egypt etc have paid the biggest price probably than any other group since neocons lies based Iraq freedom war bloodbath.
Silverlining maybe that lately 'chosen race' talk has sharply decreased in media especially after Bracak Hussein Obama election backfiring post Iraqi freedom.
Some Israeli, right wing jewish leaders tend to see mideast arab christians as 'deeply anti-semitic' also but there is no proof that mideast Christians persecution of last couple of decades was planned part of freedom spread wars' collateral demage.

 

[mattniers]

Freedom of speech? Oh, you mean like free Amuricans who now cannot say anything bad about Israel or risk jail?

Great article by Philip Giraldi. It's completely accurate regarding this particular issue:

The pandering by Donald Trump and those around him to Israel and to some conservative American Jews is apparently endless. Last Wednesday the president signed an executive order that is intended to address alleged anti-Semitism on college campuses by cutting off funds to those universities that do not prevent criticism of Israel. To provide a legal basis to defund, the administration is relying on title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits any discrimination based on race, color or national origin. Since the Act does not include religion, Trump’s order is declaring ipso facto that henceforth “Jewishness” is a nationality.

The executive order does not mention Israel by name, but it does state that its assumptions are based on “the non-legally binding working definition of anti-Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states, ‘Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities’; and (ii) the ‘Contemporary Examples of Anti-Semitism’ identified by the IHRA, to the extent that any examples might be useful as evidence of discriminatory intent.”

The IHRA “contemporary examples” supplementing the basic description are important. They considerably broaden the definition of anti-Semitism, to include “Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations” and “claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.” The examples also included holding Israel to a higher standard than other nations when criticizing it, and IHRA offers no possible mitigation even if the accusations are, in the case of the behavior of some Jews and of Israel, accurate.

Those who are confused because in the past expressions like “Italian” or “Irish” or “British” meant actual countries should recognize that Trump-speak never respects any connection with reality when there is political advantage just sitting out there waiting to be snatched and exploited. And that imperative is considerably multiplied when one is referring to either the state of Israel or of Jews in general, particularly as seen by the Trump White House, which clearly and repeatedly sends the message that it reveres both. Trump’s order will in effect constitute a government-promoted argument that Jews are a people or a race with a collective national origin, like Italian or Polish Americans, an assertion that clearly is untrue.

In fact, suppressing criticism of Israel on college campuses using a “weaponized” claim of anti-Semitism has long been a major foreign policy objective of the Israeli government even though nonviolent assembly and free speech are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. Congress has several times considered a comprehensive Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, though it has not passed due to legitimate free speech concerns. The nonviolent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (B.D.S.), which is very active on American campuses, has been particularly targeted and criticism of it is frequent in the media and from Congress while also emanating from the White House. As most accredited colleges receive federal funding, which can be considerable at a major research university, the executive order will create a major dilemma over how to respond, particularly for those schools that have Middle East study programs.

Work on the presidential executive order was initiated in the summer inside the White House by a team led by Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, together with his close aide special assistant to the president Avi Berkowitz. They sought to develop a formula whereby government policy would equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, and Donald Trump both agreed with that assessment and followed through on it. On December 8[SUP]th[/SUP] he promised to take action against B.D.S. and other critics in a speech delivered before the Israeli-American Council. The speech is worth reading in full by anyone who is concerned that the United States now has a government that favors one already privileged, wealthy and powerful constituency in particular and is not committed to upholding the civil liberties of all Americans.

Israel is an apartheid state. Covering up for its crimes against humanity as well as its war crimes is something of a growth industry in the United States, with Zionist billionaire oligarchs launching new foundations on a regular basis. Jewish power in the U.S. means that Israel always has been given a pass, even when it deliberately attacked and sought to sink the U.S.S. Liberty, an American Naval vessel in international waters in 1967. Thirty-four crewman died in the assault. The subsequent investigation of the attack was whitewashed by the president, secretary of state and the Navy department while the survivors were threatened with imprisonment if they revealed what had occurred. That is how a powerful and ruthless Israel acting through its traitorous domestic proxies operates and it illustrates how feeble the Establishment is in standing up to it.

This latest outrage, in which free speech and association will be denied to benefit one group on the basis of its claimed perpetual victimhood, had its genesis earlier this year when the federal government’s Education Department ordered Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to reorganize the Consortium for Middle East Studies program run jointly by the two colleges in part based on their failure to include enough “positive” content relating to Judaism. The demand came with a threat to suspend federal funding of Title VI Higher Education Act international studies and foreign language grants to the two schools if the curriculum were not changed.

The Education Department was particularly irate over a conference in March called “Conflict Over Gaza: People, Politics and Possibilities.” A Republican congressman was outraged by the development and asked Secretary DeVos to investigate because the gathering was full of “radical anti-Israel bias.”

Coverage of the story revealed that “Betsy DeVos, the education secretary, has become increasingly aggressive in going after perceived anti-Israel bias in higher education.” Her deputy who has served as a focal point for the effort to root out anti-Israel sentiment is Assistant Secretary of Civil Rights Kenneth L. Marcus, who might reasonably be described as “a career pro-Israel advocate,” the founder and president of the Louis D. Brandeis Center for Human Rights Under Law, which he has used to exclusively defend the rights of Jewish groups and individuals against BDS and other manifestations of Palestinian pushback against the Israeli occupation of their country. He has not hesitated to call opponents anti-Semites and has worked with Jewish students to file civil rights complaints against college administrations, including schools in Wisconsin and California. In an op-ed that appeared, not surprisingly, in The Jerusalem Post, he observed that even when student complaints were rejected, they created major problems for the institutions involved. “If a university shows a failure to treat initial complaints seriously, it hurts them with donors, faculty, political leaders and prospective students.”

Last year Kenneth Marcus reopened an investigation into alleged anti-Jewish bias at Rutgers University that the Obama Administration had closed after finding that the charges were baseless. Marcus indicated that the re-examination was called for as his office in the Education Department would henceforth be using the IHRA-derived State Department definition of anti-Semitism that also includes “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination,” making virtually all criticism of Israel a civil rights violation or even a hate crime.

Critics of the Trump move, many of whom are themselves Jewish, are uncomfortable with being placed by government into one category, noting inter aliathat ALL students are de facto already protected by Title VI, which has been interpreted as making all forms of discrimination illegal. And they also note that the law was never intended to protect individuals whose feelings were hurt or who claim to be unwelcome or even threatened by someone saying something that they disapprove of. Since such protection is clearly the intention of the executive order, it is undeniable that the Trump’s latest ploy is little more than a mechanism to pressure colleges into effectively banning B.D.S. and other groups critical of Israel.

And the order itself raises at least one unpleasant thought: if “Jewishness” is a nation even though it is demonstrably not one, what is the alleged Jewish nationality all about? Is this just one more example of the politics of Jewish identity or is it really some form of dual loyalty, with American Jews divided between those who are loyal to the U.S. and those who are loyal to some supra-nationality or allegiance? The fact is, that Donald Trump himself has several times expressed the view that American Jews, particularly those who are politically liberal, should be more loyal to Israel.

Trump’s maneuver is unfortunately part of a well-funded and highly coordinated federal and state campaign to pass laws to criminalize critics of Israel. And the issue has also surfaced within the Democratic Party among those campaigning for the presidential nomination. Speaker Nancy Pelosi forced Representative Ilhan Omar to apologize after she criticized proposed anti-boycott legislation. More recently Bernie Sanders is being smeared as an anti-Semite even though he is Jewish because he associates with critics of Israel and has spoken out in favor of defending free speech while also supporting Palestinian rights.There is a certain irony in all of this political theater, that the wealthiest and most powerful identifiable group in the United States should yet again be playing the victim is in itself astonishing. And making it a crime to deny Israel legitimacy while at the same time denying the same thing to Palestinians should give anyone pause.

And there is also considerable hypocrisy in that pro-Israel groups on campus have been if anything better funded and more aggressive in promoting their point of view than B.D.S. has been without any consequences. Canary Mission, for example, claims to “document people and groups that promote hatred of the U.S.A., Israel and Jews on North American college campuses” by posting their names, photos and personal information on its website. Israeli-American real estate investor and billionaire Adam Milstein is reported to be its principal funder while the site’s listings have been allegedly used by the Israeli border security officials to deny entry to pro-B.D.S. American citizens and also with potential employers to deny applicants jobs.

The Lawfare Project’s Campus Civil Rights Project meanwhile helps aggrieved Zionist students to “take legal action to ensure that schools live up to their legal obligations to protect Jewish students from anti-Semitic harassment, intimidation, and discrimination.”

So here we are again. Special privileges for the perpetual victims. And no one in the media is willing to tell it like it is, while the handful of meek voices in congress have been effectively silenced. So sad, particularly as an election year is coming up and there will undoubtedly be much more of this. When the Israelis occupy nearly all of the West Bank with Donald Trump’s approval and start “relocating” the existing population, who will be around to speak up? No one, as by that time saying nay to Israel will be a full-fledged hate crime and you can go to jail for doing so.

 

[KEEF]

A little hyperbole never hurts, especially in the face of an entire FakeNews establishment that will spin this as nothing.

I wonder what it would be called if the Iranian government killed Pompeo in Iraq, and proudly took credit?

I know, I guess according to SS’s definition of war, we have been all set then for the past nearly 20 years in the Middle East, and all those US troops and Middle East civilians are all good since we never technically declared war.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Trump is changing that. When we demanded Japan's surrender in world war 2 we promised to protect them from countries like China because China would want revenge against them. When Trump took office he said business as usual isnt going to happen. Japan has its own military its building up for the first time and he is making our other allies pay for defense. You keep pretending like Trump hasnt changed foreign policy significantly using old talking points are you just not paying attention??

You Americans basically turned Japan After WW2 into nothing more then mere puppet slaves while you are a master to the slave. You gave no freedoms to the Japanse people no wonder why Japaneses are having low birth rates.

American, Culture, Occupation are the reasons for the birth drops.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Trump current tweets on Iran just show how clueless he is on the middle east.

 

[nikcers]

You Americans basically turned Japan After WW2 into nothing more then mere puppet slaves while you are a master to the slave. You gave no freedoms to the Japanse people no wonder why Japaneses are having low birth rates.

American, Culture, Occupation are the reasons for the birth drops.

If you're not American you have no say in the matter. We fought the revolution because we didn't want other people telling us what to do.

 

[devil21]

Clinton also launched a major Iraq airstrike during impeachment process
https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...hed-iraq-airstrikes-during-impeachment-2020-1

People on social media believe President Donald Trump may be taking a page from Bill Clinton's playbook by escalating tensions with Iraq amid his impeachment inquiry.

A 1998 New York Times front page has been shared multiple times on Twitter since Trump ordered an airstrike to kill top Iran military commander Qasem Soleimani at the Baghdad airport early Friday morning. more

 

[Todd]

Maurice Motamed

 

[Todd]

Robert Beglarian

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Yep. Trillions of dollars, Americans that fought in the Iraq war died or have permanent psychological and physiological problems. We paid both blood and treasure for Iraq. Iran can't have it for free. Americans voted overwhelmingly for the guy who ran on that platform. They could of voted for regime change creator of ISIS queen or Rand Paul. They voted for the guy who literally said to the victor goes the spoils, take the oil.

Are you talking about Hillary? She was doing an interview yesterday when news of the death of Soleimani came in...