Trump Flips On Five Core Campaign Promises In Under 24 Hours

[William Tell]

Who could have seen that coming?

Fun to revisit
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?491253-Are-You-a-Trump-supporter

 

[acptulsa]

Probably cause by anyone who criticized trump during the campaign were called cucks, Hillary supporters/voters, NWO puppets, globalists, and so on by a group on this site. Naturally when the stooge they were pimping out here as the greatest thing since sliced bread $#@!s up, people are going to rub it in. Predictable.

Not to mention getting banned from this site.

Add in the fact that Republicans have been suckered time after time after time for half a century, and rubbing their puppy noses in it starts to look like the only viable option.

Trying to salve their hurt little feelings and expecting them to still learn from their mistakes has resulted in a Republican Party that does exactly what the Democrats do, and looks goofier doing it. The nation can afford no more of this.

 

[specsaregood]

Probably cause by anyone who criticized trump during the campaign were called cucks, Hillary supporters/voters, NWO puppets, globalists, and so on by a group on this site. Naturally when the stooge they were pimping out here as the greatest thing since sliced bread fucks up, people are going to rub it in. Predictable.

Note, I didn't say it wasn't predictable or even somewhat justified. But I guess that's why we cant have nice things.

 

[juleswin]

Oh come on, jules. You are deciding to become yet another satirical account, but one that's harder to understand? We already have bxmTexan. That's enough.

It was sorta funny but it is also true. A lot of people were swayed by his brash attitude and rejection to PC culture and he has yet to betray them on that ground. I just think it is an issue that doesn't carry much weight.

 

[acptulsa]

Note, I didn't say it wasn't predictable or even somewhat justified. But I guess that's why we cant have nice things.

The reason we can't have nice things--like liberty--is Republicans refuse to learn from their mistakes and we are all condemned to repeat them.

You have a better fix for that than my rolled up newspaper? Trot it out! I like it already! IF it'll actually work better than, 'You pissed on the floor again? Good puppy. Let me pat your head...'

 

[Madison320]

At the same time, dancing around and saying " I toldja so" doesn't make many friends or allies.

I agree. At least most of the Trump supporters are admitting they made a mistake and are pulling their support. Compare that with political hacks like Zippy and Count who support the democratic party no matter what or guys like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity who support the republican party no matter what.

 

[Athan]

I disagree with the premise. He just lied to his base like the previous presidents. Their foreign policy made the same sense his does.

Oh do you? Well, do you think had he been acting this past week since January, he would have fired an entire floor of the state department and even bothered with the hiring freeze? Lets be real here. Trump apologists are and anti-Trump who claim he never changed are smoking some powerful $h!t.

 

[klamath]

Note, I didn't say it wasn't predictable or even somewhat justified. But I guess that's why we cant have nice things.

Partly because there is a lot of trust lost. When people broke from the Ron and Rand ranks and ran to the trump ranks shooting at us over their shoulders as they ran, one might question whether they should be welcomed back with open arms especially when they still refuse to admit it was THEIR guy that deceived them. When they swallowed every evil thing Trumps said and spent months on here trying to sell those evil things to us.

 

[William Tell]

Oh do you? Well, do you think had he been acting this past week since January, he would have fired an entire floor of the state department and even bothered with the hiring freeze?

Yes. A hiring freeze and intervention are different subjects. Maybe he'll rehire them now anyway. He got the nice headlines that's all he wanted. It was enough to convince some here that he's a good guy.

 

[jmdrake]

Before the typical squabbling begins, keep in mind the most important thing.

SOMETHING HAS CAUSED AN ABOUT FACE BY TRUMP.
THIS IS CLEARLY SUCH A RADICAL CHANGE THAT SOMETHING DRASTIC HAS INSTIGATED IT AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT, OR MORE IMPORTANTLY WHY AND HOW.

1) Nobody is talking about this? It seems to be dominating the forums here lately and that seems to be all that current and former Trump supporters want to talk about.

2) Trump was flip flopping during the campaign. Why are you surprised?

3) Since Trump's election, some of us have been consistently pointing out how he has not at all been governing as a small government non-interventionists. Some of us called said that he wouldn't before he got elected. So again, why are you surprised?

Like it making no political sense for Assad to gas his own people, Trump is not making political sense alienating the political base that elected him and supported his reforms.

Here is why what Trump is doing makes sense politically. Most of his base consists of teocons and most of them do not understand the federal reserve, still think the invasion of Iraq was somehow justified, and are fine with NATO as long as other countries pay their fair share. Seriously, the average Trump supporter neither understands nor cares about what you understand and care about. They got their red hat and now 'meriku is a marching forward. Obama didn't bomb Syria and Trump did so it must be good to bomb Syria cause.....Obama. Nobody cares now about the so called "Russia election hack" (which was a fraud anyway) and CNN is praising Trump for being "presidential." Trump likes to win. He didn't get a win on Obamacare, but now he's got a "win" on foreign policy. Liberty supporters be damned.

 

[jmdrake]

Unless the Mossad caught him at an Epstein Island.

A possibility.

If Mossad caught him at Epstein Island then that happened before Trump was elected president which means that during the entire election Trump was lying to his supporters...which pretty much is what anti Trumpers on this forum have been saying all along. Same holds if Trumps "flip flop" is because of Ivanka. She didn't just become his daughter. Trump started off as a liberal democrat. He ran as a hardcore conservative republican. He's governing now like a liberal democrat. Those are the facts. Everything else is speculation.

 

[acptulsa]

There is no hiring freeze, or at least Trump says there isn't. There's just Trump slowly sorting through the 'certified qualified' people and trying to decide which ones won't go tell the world about all the ignorant questions he asks in their meetings.

Donald J. Nixon.

 

[klamath]

Yes. A hiring freeze and intervention are different subjects. Maybe he'll rehire them now anyway. He got the nice headlines that's all he wanted. It was enough to convince some here that he's a good guy.

Pretty standard ploy to make the base think that the government is being reduced. Oldest trick in the book. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/

 

[Athan]

You two do realize you're having this private little conversation about what 'flipped' your hero in front of dozens of people who have been telling you for years what he really is, who he really serves, and that this very thing would happen, right?

Do you two just want to be reminded that you were suckered? Are you actually fishing for 'I told you so's? Are you sure this is the wisest place to try to maintain the fiction that no one could possibly have seen through him all along? Did you really think you could spin your face-saving conspiracy theories uninterrupted in front of people who have been telling you how you were being suckered for 18-24 months?

I need to correct you.

I have generally held a neutral stance on Trump because I have always held several conditions for me to say he's a good president worthy of my full support. Namely the conditions of rounding up corrupted and criminal members from the Clinton pay for play Foundation, and others related to high level pedophile rings. I did appreciate his firing of the 7th floor of the State Department, hiring freeze, and rounding up up 1500 pedophilia suspects. I did take issue with specific POSTERS though that cried about anything and everything creating massive noise and distraction but FURTHER came to the defense or posting in much of the same way outlined by CTR/JTRIG shills to deflect criminal activities when it came to elite pedophile rings. With those posters, yes I specifically tried to agitate them back and defended others and Trump supporters to do it.

After all, the users that generally denied and deflected from pedogate/pedowood/pizzagate as far as I can tell have no history supporting Trump as far as I can tell.


I usually have stated that I am on the fence. I have always been specifically waiting for and demanding arrests before anything else. Clinton blew nuclear secrets on national television. She isn't behind bars. That has always been my first tell and my main suspicion.

Yet, yes, I SPECIFICALLY TOLD PEOPLE that their constant b!tch!ing was going to bite us in the @$$ because our criticism in events such as this week were going to be drowned out as just more b.s. While we haven't had as much of a difficulty being drowned out generally in the larger public sphere, we still have Trump hold outs because of the CONSISTENT NONSENSICAL COMPLAINTS THAT AMERICANS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH.

The events of this past week signal a real and radical change from past weeks. To deny it is to say is a lie.

 

[Athan]

Yes. A hiring freeze and intervention are different subjects. Maybe he'll rehire them now anyway. He got the nice headlines that's all he wanted. It was enough to convince some here that he's a good guy.

That isn't what I asked you however. I asked is it more than likely that he would have fired an entire floor of the state department since his behavior THIS past week.
I'll address other comments later because I ran out of time.

 

[acptulsa]

I need to correct you.

It was totally worth electing him, furthering the Psychotic Corporate Agenda for four more years, ensuring the Republicans wouldn't primary their sitting president and run someone better in four years, and sitting through the administration of the Democrat who will inevitably replace him after he gets through embarrassing the whole GOP, just to see if he might not throw his old comrade Clinton in jail.

And you actually seem to think I didn't hear that exact same line of shit before. Specifically, in 2002 when Mr. Education Yes, Nation Building No packed the troops off to Iraq and coined the phrase 'Common Core'. I was told the exact same thing then. And I didn't buy it then, either.

Fine. I'm corrected. And still I believe that the reason we can't have nice things is because P.T. Barnum was right, and all those suckers invariably join the GOP and vote in its primaries.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It was sorta funny but it is also true. A lot of people were swayed by his brash attitude and rejection to PC culture and he has yet to betray them on that ground. I just think it is an issue that doesn't carry much weight.

Now you are on to something. Why did the average person vote for Trump? I mean the average person in real life, not this forum. I will prioritize:

1) America first. That meant many things to them. Jobs, trade, the wall, immigration, but even foreign policy. And America-first to them meant bombing some people. He said he'd bomb ISIS, but they don't know ISIS from al-qaeda from Assad. Most of them cheered Trump's missile attack. Many of them think he just attacked ISIS. They don't see the flip-flop. When he flips on the wall and immigration, then he might find resistance from his voters.

2) He wasn't Hillary. That will never change.

3) His brash, anti-PC, anti-establishment style. That is changing a bit, the targets of his brashness are changing as he joins with the establishment. If his voters begin to see him as the establishment, there is no flip in their eyes.

4) His vow to repeal and replace Obamacare.

5) Anti-globalism, anti-intervention, humble foreign policy. Most of the Trump voters tolerated that from Trump. They could care less if he flip-flops on that. They are cheering him for this flip-flop. Now the "libertarian" Trump voters might have had this as their number one reason, but they were the minority of the actual voters. Trump has no need for them if everyone else is cheering him on this.

 

[acptulsa]

Why did the average person vote for Trump?

Because they are incapable of building a bandwagon, and they are incapable of supporting a candidate unless and until that candidate has a bandwagon to ride. God forbid they vote for a loser, and God forbid they turn a loser who ought to win into a winner (that might involve hard work!) Since only the media can create a bandwagon for them to ride, then that means that no matter how much they bitch about the Liburrel Medya, they are completely at its mercy. Republicans are incapable of nominating someone who is anti-establishment, or conservative, or both, because the media won't build a bandwagon for them and Republicans can't tie their shoes without one.

They hate the Liburrel Medya but can't live without it. And here we are.

Of course the guy's an outsider! The Liburral Medya who I don't trust to tell me if it's sunny outside says so 24/7! I have to vote for him because his is the only name on the ballot I ever heard before! So jump on the bandwagon the Liburrel Medya built for us or we'll lynch you for sedition! Team R Team R Rah Rah Rah!

 

[afwjam]

You two do realize you're having this private little conversation about what 'flipped' your hero in front of dozens of people who have been telling you for years what he really is, who he really serves, and that this very thing would happen, right?

Do you two just want to be reminded that you were suckered? Are you actually fishing for 'I told you so's? Are you sure this is the wisest place to try to maintain the fiction that no one could possibly have seen through him all along? Did you really think you could spin your face-saving conspiracy theories uninterrupted in front of people who have been telling you how you were being suckered for 18-24 months?

Did you two ever consider it would be wiser to get a room? Are you sure you wouldn't rather face facts than continue to show your asses?



You're congratulating him for lying to you? And I suppose Nixon deserves praise for pretending to care about law and order, Reagan for pretending to care about the national debt, one Bush for pretending to care how much tax he bleeds us for and the other for pretending to care how deplorably uneducated we are?

You're praising him for making a sucker out of you, the owner of this forum, and half the voting population?

You won't save face that way.



And the last time Republicans admitted they were totally suckered and primaried their own sitting president was...?

Oh, that's right. It has never, ever happened, ever. That's as much a pipe dream as hoping we'll all believed you weren't suckered, but Trump was everything you thought he was until Ivanka or Hillary or whomever put a hex on him.

I believe their preferred terminology is Cucked. They are arguing Trump has been cucked, I'm arguing Trump was a tool used by the establishment to Cuck them. Either way, somebody other then the people they argued were Cucks have in fact been Cucked. Isn't it Ironic? Meanwhile Ron Paul has never been Cucked, he just loves his wife and I love both of them, god bless Ron Paul.

 

[afwjam]

Unless he wasn't fought by them at all and was all just part of the show. Paint him as being anti-establishment and if/when he is shitty and/or reverses his positions that were decent it will discredit anyone in the future who is running as anti-establishment. Anything is possible.

Yep.. unfortunately I suspected this approach. Make the anti-establishment toxic. No doubt some of the Cucks were paid to do just that on this forum, notice they never started their own Cucked forums, just invaded our Liberty forums. I'm proud of the RPF members who never fell for the obvious trap, I'm disappointed the mods let it happen. We lost years in our fight.