Trump & FISA

It's a high stakes game. And as [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] noted in another thread, they've never been more vulnerable. Ever. Certainly Trump-flavored fascism will make the remainder of your days more comfortable than this Biden Soviet is doing, but I prefer to think of the children. Some of them do deserve better.

I agree with you in that we can do better, the choice does not have to be Hitler or Stalin.

But it will require a significant remnant of us to get smart and get hard, real fucking fast.

They are vulnerable...they are losing Bill Maher FFS.

That's been Maher's position for decades. He's been pretty open about it.

Of course, he also hates children despite being an undeveloped child himself.

I had a little different take on it...his honest and harsh position makes people uncomfortable in confronting what it is.

And I know he hates kids, but why this then?



Yes, I know this is a silly discussion, but Maher still has a big audience.

He just said, in this clip, basically, "You want Nazis? Because what you are doing is how you get Nazis."
 
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FFS. You, of all people? Fascism is the best you can expect?

OK, then what are your strategy and tactics? Be specific and give reasonable operational detail.

Don't know how to burst your bubble, but we're in no danger of being permanently saddled with this woke commie crap.

Where did I so much as hint at any of that? Do you mean to imply that our liberties are not at grave risk; that we have not already sustained huge losses while Theye cultivate their power and exercise ever more brazenly?

Like it or not, wer are made war upon, or do you not believe this to be so?

We can do better than your lesser evil.

Alright, then lay it out for us, and please - no vague generalities. We need hard specifics that take into account the fact that Americans are just about at each other's throats in many locales.

We are not going to do worse. They've made Biden too unfunny a joke for his senile ass to be preserved.

And what do you think it is underlying reason for that? Ineptitude? Or perhaps its a finger in the eye of America that says "we can do anything we want and you can't do shit about it"? I keep hearing from cerain sources like x22 that Trump and the military are secretly setting up the fall of the "deep state". I hope it is so and I will cheerfully don my Village Idiot suit, marching proudly down Fifth Avenue if I am able to go home at night and watch the public executions. It may happen, but let us be realistic in our expectations that it is so.

I'm not sure whence your seeming sense of optimism. Firstly, we stupid Americans allowed ourselves to be maneuvered into this position, which says little good about us as a people. All the great inventions in the world mean nothing at all if we show no sense for the basics such as out liberties and the rights that devolve therefrom. It's like the great philanthropist, giving and helping and raising up the less fortunate - all well and good, but a single grand felony such as murdering his neighbor so he can have a swag at his daughter is the single-point event upon which he will be judged, were he to commit such an act, erasing every merit he'd theretofore earned in the eyes of others.

But that aside, and secondly, we can't get it up to put a single lousy brewery out of business for taking measures that offend the sensibilities of otherwise decent and nominally rational people. Anheuser Busch should have filed for chapter 11 long ago. The outrage at their PR flop lasted what, three weeks? A month? Way to go, American big yaps.

So how, then, are we to dig ourselves out of the pit when we have no sand even to bear mere inconvenience? Remember 2008 when that Kenyan prick was foisted on us? An economic bubble burst and legions were calling it "economic collapse". Fuck's sake, that was a hiccup and some people got burned. If Americans think that that is collapse, boy will they be in for it if and when an actual collapse occurs. Millions... tens of millions will die for want of knowledge and guts; people who become suicidal if they can't have their cell phones.


But please do enlighten us as to how we will yank our freedoms and our rights from the jaws of the global tyrant, and I ask this not sarcastically, but forthrightly as someone who doesn't see much over which to be optimistic. Perhaps I've missed something; I often do. But I can also be very thoroughly circumspect and tend in such matters to be rather diligent in my generation of tangential possibilities. So please show me what you've got in mind and we can take it apart and decide whether shows promise.

This is no time to stop being a radical.

But what does that even mean; go to war?

They're trying to make Trump look like the only option.

What are the others, besides Biden, etc.?

Why would you help them do it?

And there's your error, assuming I'm helping the scoundrels. And I wrote, and apparently you missed it, I fully expect Trump to do it to us. That is my assumption going in so that I refrain from unrealistically optimistic expectations. Anything less that a full-on buttsex attack would leave us in no worse a position than we already enjoy. And don't take that too literally; I'm trying to have a sense of humor about all this nastiness. Sometimes it gets me through my days. :)


They're trying to make this such a high-stakes cycle of their lesser evil game that we say, we won't make you fool us any more. Take our constitution and our rights -- please. Biden is a toothless boogieman. One look and you know he won't last.

Fine, but you seem to be evading a central point that Biden is a sock-puppet. Theye have their hands way up his bum and if it won't be Biden, it will be someone else. This whole circus turns on the assumption that Trump was indeed and outsider, that he cannot be bought, and that he cannot be bullied or otherwise intimidated. It may be real, it maybe theater. We won't know until...

It's a high stakes game. And as @Anti Federalist noted in another thread, they've never been more vulnerable. Ever. Certainly Trump-flavored fascism will make the remainder of your days more comfortable than this Biden Soviet is doing, but I prefer to think of the children. Some of them do deserve better.

I agree that they are vulnerable, but it becomes real only if we come together in sufficient mass and we ACT in the right ways. As things stand, and as I mentioned just above, we just seem to have no gumption to get it up and stick to a commitment. We seem to be so rotted with corruption for convenience and ease, we just don't want to rock the boat. Wouldn't want to lose access to tinder, eh?

They are only vulnerable if enough of us do the rirght things, and thus far I see no hint of that happening. So if I'm supposed to be dancing down the avenue with a boner, you're going to have tell my why.

Our best bet is mass disobedience, but we'd rather sit at our terminals and curse Eville Conservatives or Eville Liberals, wasting our energies underscoring our differences, rather than emphasizing our commonalities. How does one talk to a frothing lefty whose only desire is that a cop shoot you dead where you stand and that your children die long and freakishly agonized deaths of cancer? What do you do with your fellow travelers who say all the right words in the right order, but won't get their fat asses out of the recliner? As I've said many times before, the one thing for which I must give the left due credit is that they get out of their moms' basements and they burn down entire cities. That's commitment and dedication to ACT, something thoe who claim to love liberty do not seem to have in common with their mortal foes.

So let's have it: what is the plan? I'm always ready to learn something new and be proven an idiot.

Thanks in advance.
 
I see here a fair amount of bile and outright hatred of Trump. I understand why and I have my own doubts, but riding around town on the "I Hate Trump" bandwagon is an unproductive tactic. If you need to vent, go to the back 40, set up targets, and break out the 50BMG. Ranting about the insufficiencies of Trump is a grade-A waste of time.


We are in a fight for our lives, figuratively and possibly physically, depending on which of the paranoid conspiracy speculations to which you subscribe. Standing on principles in the way of a purist such that the perfect becomes the enemy of the "will have to do under the circumstances", is a highly self-defeating approach. Stand on uch if you absolutely must, but as your purity leads you to the gas chamber, remember what I wrote here on this day.

There is principle and there is pragmatism. The sweet spot on any given day and under a given set of circumstances lies between the two. This is the essence of the art of living, and the art of war. My inner purist is with the others 100% regarding Trump. My inner pragmatist has taken a 2x4 and knocked the purist mostly stupid for the sake of not dying on the wrong hill. I provisionally support Trump because we the people are painted into a very tight corner, the alternative choices posing a far more remote chance of helping us out. It's trite and it is as sad as the devil bawling his eyes out a rock in Georgia, but Trump is by all appearances the lesser evil.

And so we are left with the paltry choices of Biden, some ain't-gonna-win-no-matter-how-hard-we-vote third party candidate, Trump, giving up entirely and going home and blowing our brains out for despair, or going to hot warfare against Theire minions in the United States. None of these options are particularly appetizing, I think many here would agree. But Trump is, again to all appearances, by far the least of the evils presented to us for choice. And if the appearances are false in the ways and to the degrees we might call "worst case", then we are sore-fucked and reduced to the choices of capitulation or hot war and nothing we do otherwise will count for anything good.

As a practical measure, and given the reality of the unenviable position into which we have allowed ourselves to be maneuvered by malevolent interests, and further given that we cannot know for certain the cloth from which the Donald is cut, he remains the current best hope for any return to a lesser state of servitude. Again, if he proves to be something very much other than what he advertises, then we are screwed to the barn door no worse than if we choose otherwise. We know Biden will continue to pile-drive us into the dust, and IMO war is the option of absolute last resort, to be chosen only if it becomes clear that Trump is leading us down the garden path.

I say support Trump with the full expectation that he is going to do the BOHICA tango on us. At that point we have nothing to lose but our cell phones and any crumbs tossed our way might be seen at least as a move in the right direction... maybe. Sitting this one out: loser. Voting otherwise: demonstrated loser. Going to war: almost vanishingly small likelihood we have to sand for it, and it would still be premature.

Given what we have allowed Themme to do to us, and we are all guilty of it, Trump is the only choice that is even cosmetically promising not to make things worse.

Be practical and have your inner pragmatist work your inner purist over with a soft iron wire until the latter gets really quiet because we don't need to hear from him a whole lot at the moment. If we can make for better days, and I'm very dubious that we can at this point, then we will want his counsel in order that we do our best not to become that which we claim to despise and hate.

If ever there was a time in American history to get smart, it is now. As bad as things stand today, you will really hate what will be coming if we do not at least hold the barbarians at the gates.

Your choice.

It always was.

Mortem proditoribus


Mortem tyrannis

Amen brother, couldn't agree more
 
I can’t wait to hear the excuses this time.

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Next, you’ll be kissing up to the likes of her:


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Debbie Lesko Voted YES on H.R. 3935 FAA Reauthorization 07/20/2023

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[h=1]RFK Jr. Pretends Not to Know Intel Agency FISA Game[/h]
There are three basic options for this response from RFK Jr. (1) He really is not that intelligent, and doesn’t know of what he speaks. (2) He knows the full background context and is pretending not to know. (3) He’s working on behalf of an alternate interest.

The reason is simple, the last reauthorization of the FISA-702 process took place in December/January of 2017/2018. At the time of the issue you might remember the intense debate that encompassed what was called the “Nunes memo”. The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) Chairman Devin Nunes had written a memo outlining the contents of the FISA application used against Carter Page. The Intelligence Community wanted to keep the information about the FISA application hidden from public review.
Devin Nunes’ memo was designated “Top Secret Compartmented Intelligence” (TSCI) by those who wanted it to remain hidden. Nunes was asking President Trump to use his declassification authority to remove the classified status, so that the American people could read how the DOJ, CIA, FBI and ODNI constructed a fraudulent FISA application to conduct political surveillance on Donald Trump.
Keep in mind, on March 17, 2017, SSCI Vice Chairman Mark Warner leaked a full and unredacted copy of the FISA application to the media. Three days later, on March 20th, FBI Director James Comey admitted during public testimony that Donald Trump was the subject of an active counterintelligence investigation.

Warner and Comey were running an operation using DC media to get the momentum they needed for a Special Counsel investigation. The SC investigation was needed to cover up the activity of the DOJ, FBI, NSD, ODNI and SSCI during the 2016 election cycle. Every element of the intelligence apparatus in DC was opposed to the efforts of Nunes and Trump to expose the unlawful targeting effort.
To get the Nunes memo declassified, both President Trump and Devin Nunes used the leverage of FISA-702 reauthorization to force the IC to declassify it. If the ODNI, FBI and DOJ did not agree to declassify the memo and make it public, then 702 would be allowed to expire, and the IC would lose their currency.
It worked. The DNI, FBI and DOJ acquiesced to the memo declassification. Then they worked diligently to undermine it.



[h=3]That’s how they roll.[/h] The FBI is to America in 2024, what the Soviet FSB was to Russia in 1984. A fully weaponized government inversion is underway within the United States.
Either Robert Kennedy Jr. is clueless (doubtful), or he’s pretending not to know what DC does with their power (likely).
Yes, there is a lot of irony within his pretenses. Then again, he’s a Kennedy.
 
To get the Nunes memo declassified, both President Trump and Devin Nunes used the leverage of FISA-702 reauthorization to force the IC to declassify it. If the ODNI, FBI and DOJ did not agree to declassify the memo and make it public, then 702 would be allowed to expire, and the IC would lose their currency.
It worked.

So, the fruits and nuts in the treehouse say that Trump screwed us on FISA so he could expose something that agencies did to him personally? And you're presenting that to us as if it's a good excuse?

And yet, during the Florida Trump search, you said the president can declassify anything at any time. So, if he had them, and was the sitting president, he could just release them, and didn't need to screw us first. Right?

And you think you can have it both ways, of course. Isn't it convenient how facts can change 180° to fit various treehouse narratives?

Obviously TDS is indeed obvious.
 
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So, the fruits and nuts in the treehouse say that Trump screwed us on FISA so he could expose something that agencies did to him personally? And you're presenting that to us as if it's a good excuse?

And yet, during the Florida Trump search, you said the president can declassify anything at any time. So, if he had them, and was the sitting president, he could just release them, and didn't need to screw us first. Right?

And you think you can have it both ways, of course. Isn't it convenient how facts can change 180° to fit various treehouse narratives?

Obviously TDS is indeed obvious.
When he was in office he had to deal with the power structure or risk being convicted and removed in one of the phony impeachments or assassinated.
On his way out he had the right to declassify anything he wanted and no longer had to deal with the power structure.

And it's not "something that agencies did to him personally", it was exposing a coup against the Republic but the deepstate so that the people would wake up to our situation before it was too late.

Yes, your TDS is obvious.
 
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To put my perspective in another way...

It's great to get the house in order. Add this, paint that, rewire the other. But when you have a raging kitchen fire, that has to be priority one, or else all the rest counts for naught. This is the situation in which we find ourselves in America at this time. The positive reality is that the kitchen is burning, the fire is gaining, and we are failing to use the Ansul (fire suppression system). That is the hard, ugly, incomprehensible truth of our reality. When you blow the Ansul, the kitchen becomes a mess, but it is the lesser evil to having the house burn to the foundation blocks. That is why I give >>provisional<< support to Trump. To do otherwise is to give up all hope and go tits-up as a matter of choice. My expectation is that he will fail us. My hope is that he will not. But if he does, then we all of us need to decide on what we will DO in the wake of yet another yanking of our chain. This is prudent, circumspect consideration. Holding one's breath, stamping their feet in tantrum is not the way. If in desperation all you find before you is a single possible alternative in a process that is going to move forward regardless whether you participate, and that alternative is known to be a possible fake, you go with that, rather than the choice you already know will put you over the wood.

Dropping out because you don't like the choices before you is the response of a spoiled toddler, I am sorry to say. Be a strategist. I consider what is before me coldly as the analyst that I am. I see feces displayed for my consumption and am displeased. But my analysis does reveal difference, and it is difference that drives truths we can use to best effect, which at this point is in fact and indeed the best for which we can hope AT THIS TIME. Unicorns are not going to appear suddenly, pooing out love and peace, prosperity, freedom, and respect for all human rights.

The world is a statistical place. EVERYTHING numerically non-trivial has a statistical nature and the statistical reality before right here, right now as I write these words is that the cohesion necessary to toss the tyrant, his acolytes, and his minions into the dustbin does not exist. Tomorrow morning it will not exist, nor next week or next month, or in November. The American people will continue to walk the path of manifold corruptions and enough will go to the polls to make the process we all despise happen. That is to say, the fucking kitchen is ablaze and the rest of the house is about to go up with it. There is no affordable opportunity to goof around; the problem must be addressed, quickly and effectively. Time to turn off will come later, but for now we get to work with the process ON ITS TERMS. We do so because OUR TERMS don't count for shit at this moment. That will hopefully change, but at this point we must engage in triage, and it says get to the Ansul FAST.

Nobody here wants freedom more than do I. I am an adept analyst, if I date flatter myself, and I see the statistical reality as it stands before us. It is grim, and taking gratuitously supercilious measures that will not effectively address the most immediate problem at hand is a fool's errand. Stop the fire, no matter how distasteful you may find the process. Save the house. Then clean and rebuild.

You may dislike your neighbor down the road, but when he comes to help put out your kitchen fire, are you going to turn him away?

War makes for strange bedfellows. This is war. Get over your delicate sensibilities, adopt at least a soldier's posture, if not one of a warrior, and get the job done.

None of this is to suggest we not do the other things. By all means do them. Just don't fall to the fallacy of the false-dichotomy, believing it has to be the one or the other. Theye are smart, contrary to popular belief. Theye are clever, are effectively funded without limit, and are viciously and mindlessly treacherous. Theye have every advantage, or did you think that the protesters who effectively razed downtown Portland do it all for free? How did all those illegals walk from places like Guatemala to the California border? If they are in such dire straits, where in hell did they get the money to eat on the way? Did any of you not notice how many of them are great big giant-fat endomorphs? Did you notice how many have cell phones? If it takes them two months to walk, how in hell were they paying their phone bills?

My point in that last bit is to underscore that Theye have money to burn and can buy the corrupt who are eager to whore in any way Theye dictate, so long as it pays. They will riot, pillage, rape, rob, murder. Name it, pay the cash, and it is done. That is what we are up against, so once again I respectfully, if strongly suggest it is time we put on our big boy pants, get seriously strategic in our thinking, which means great circumspection, dispense with delicacy of feelings, and fight the good fight on all fronts because those fuckers are playing for real and they will see you in chains, or on a slab if you allow Themme any quarter. Make Themme sweat and toil for every scrap they take from you, and that includes the phony baloney, horseshit political process we know to be a scam, and yet what Theye use to such devastating effect against us.

I hope I have been clear.
 
I hope I have been clear.

You just posted a wall of text that seems premised on the assumption that if your kitchen were on fire, you could count on Trump to pee on the flames.

But this is a thread about him ordering someone to do something that he could have done six years ago, but didn't.

No. I'm not at all sure of the concept. Trump and Biden are cops on the same squad. One's playing good cop and the other is playing bad cop. But the bad cop has such advanced Alzheimer's that he'll be lucky to make next January under any circumstances.

Nobody thinks Biden's going to legitimately win anything. You're all just waiting for the even more obvious electoral shenanigans so we can go to the Capitol and demand Trump be made Mussolini.

You really think they won't comply?

Lesser evil? Lesser evils are anachronisms. Washington, D.C. hasn't seen a lesser evil since 1981. Welcome to the twenty-first century where the evil only escalates. Wonder how that happens?
 
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You just posted a wall of text that seems premised on the assumption that if your kitchen were on fire, you could count on Trump to pee on the flames.

But this is a thread about him ordering someone to do something that he could have done six years ago, but didn't.

No. I'm not at all sure of the concept. Trump and Biden are cops on the same squad. One's playing good cop and the other is playing bad cop. But the bad cop has such advanced Alzheimer's that he'll be lucky to make next January under any circumstances.

Nobody thinks Biden's going to legitimately win anything. You're all just waiting for the even more obvious electoral shenanigans so we can go to the Capitol and demand Trump be made Mussolini.

You really think they won't comply?

Lesser evil? Lesser evils are anachronisms. Washington, D.C. hasn't seen a lesser evil since 1981. Welcome to the twenty-first century where the evil only escalates.

Nailed it!
 
OK, then what are your strategy and tactics? Be specific and give reasonable operational detail.

I'm afraid government has done a sufficiently thorough job of hogging all secrecy unto itself that executing the sort of complex, multi-faceted operation you seem to crave is impossible. I, for one, am playing it by ear. But I have no intention of setting this aside as I go, or forgetting it for one reckless moment:

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Donald J. Trump resembles that remark. Always has. There is no reason to believe that will change.

You're telling me that you think it's imperative to burn the last shreds of the Constitution to install Trump to kick that damnable can down the road one more time, and you're ready to do it. I say I've been trying to get people to leave the can alone and take this country back for decades. I'm sure not going to stop for a clown show. Why does that bother you now, when it hasn't bothered you for nearly half a century? Because people might be listening to people like me now?
 
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I'm afraid government has done a sufficiently thorough job of hogging all secrecy unto itself that executing the sort of complex, multi-faceted operation you seem to crave is impossible. I, for one, am playing it by ear. But I have no intention of setting this aside as I go, or forgetting it for one reckless moment:

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Donald J. Trump resembles that remark. Always has. There is no reason to believe that will change.

You're telling me that you think it's imperative to burn the last shreds of the Constitution to install Trump to kick that damnable can down the road one more time, and you're ready to do it. I say I've been trying to get people to leave the can alone and take this country back for decades. I'm sure not going to stop for a clown show. Why does that bother you now, when it hasn't bothered you for nearly half a century? Because people might be listening to people like me now?

Who's burning what? While I doubt all but a few will argue that Trump is some perfect liberty minded freedom fighter, he is what he is. The only question is if he's better and worse than the alternative.

Osan is absolutely right that some pragmatism is necessary. I always think back to the 1948 communist coup in Czechoslovakia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Czechoslovak_coup_d'état
On 21 February 1948, twelve non-Communist ministers resigned in protest. They objected to Gottwald's refusal to stop packing the police with Communists, and believed that Gottwald would give way. Instead, the latter threatened a general strike unless Beneš appointed a Communist-dominated government. Armed Communist militia and police took over Prague and mass demonstrations were mounted. On 25 February, Beneš, fearing civil war and Soviet intervention, capitulated and allowed the formation of a new government in accordance with KSČ demands.
Giving up and ceding power is not the way for more liberty. Those 12 ministers and Edvard Beneš were far from some perfect liberty minded Ron Paul predecessors. They were however the last remaining barrier to full Marxist authoritarianism.
 
The only question is if he's better and worse than the alternative.

People who solve problems, as opposed to mitigating damage somewhat, ask not about "the alternative". People like that ask, "what are our alternatives?"
 
You just posted a wall of text that seems premised on the assumption that if your kitchen were on fire, you could count on Trump to pee on the flames.

I now see you are not quite ready for a serious conversation. Rather than address my points, you resort to disingenuous humor and slights? By all appearances you are just full of bile and need to vent. Fine, please proceed, but I do note that thus far I've seen nothing of substance.


But this is a thread about him ordering someone to do something that he could have done six years ago, but didn't.

This is beginning to take on the timbre of a rant. I don't mind, but I thought we were talking about real world approaches. if you don't want to address it, then just say it and I will beg off.

No. I'm not at all sure of the concept.

Which concept would tht be?

Trump and Biden are cops on the same squad.

That is an as-yet undemonstrated assumption. I have my doubts aplenty, but have seen nothing conclusive to date.

One's playing good cop and the other is playing bad cop.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Time will tell, but unless you have sufficient evidence to show, I have to call foul here.

But the bad cop has such advanced Alzheimer's that he'll be lucky to make next January under any circumstances.

He does indeed seem to be on borrowed time, but anyone can see that. What of it?

Nobody thinks Biden's going to legitimately win anything.

He didn't legitimately win the first time; again I ask what of it? The fraud was blatant and the response to the mountains of damning evidence well sealed it for me. Between the two, anyone doubting is either low in intellectual fuel, or peddling.

You're all just waiting for the even more obvious electoral shenanigans so we can go to the Capitol and demand Trump be made Mussolini.

This is just tantruming. It accomplishes nothing worthwhile.

You really think they won't comply?

I'm going to need just a wee bit more here.

Lesser evil? Lesser evils are anachronisms.

Call it what you will. If the difference for me is living to fight another day vs. either ending up in a cell where I am forced quiesced, or murdered, I'll take option A, thankyouverymuch.
 
I'm afraid government has done a sufficiently thorough job of hogging all secrecy unto itself that executing the sort of complex, multi-faceted operation you seem to crave is impossible. I, for one, am playing it by ear. But I have no intention of setting this aside as I go, or forgetting it for one reckless moment:

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Donald J. Trump resembles that remark. Always has. There is no reason to believe that will change.

You're telling me that you think it's imperative to burn the last shreds of the Constitution to install Trump to kick that damnable can down the road one more time, and you're ready to do it. I say I've been trying to get people to leave the can alone and take this country back for decades. I'm sure not going to stop for a clown show. Why does that bother you now, when it hasn't bothered you for nearly half a century? Because people might be listening to people like me now?

You will have to forgive me now, but I must be direct: this is a complete bullshit response that addresses nothing, and tosses in a strawman just for evasive giggles.

Let's just call it a push since you seem to view this exchange as some sort of competition. It's not. I am looking for soluitions and you have provided bupkis in spite of the seemingly big talk to the contrary. I have no idea what your purpose is here, but it is not on the same planet as mine.

Feel free to prove otherwise at any time. I will always listen.
 
People who solve problems, as opposed to mitigating damage somewhat, ask not about "the alternative". People like that ask, "what are our alternatives?"


And your grave error here lies in the assumption that damage control is never a solution.

When a gunshot victime arrives at the ER, the first thing they do is get him stable and repair immediate and life-threatening damage. That is a very definite solution. They don't worry about infections, which comes after the patient has not died.

I'm not sure how you fail to see this. You seem to get so narrowly focused on a tree, the forest disappears. And your bile is self-defeating. But as always, do as you wish. Nobody stops you.
 
I now see you are not quite ready for a serious conversation...

This is beginning to take on the timbre of a rant. I don't mind, but I thought we were talking about real world approaches...

Serious conversations about the real world. Got it.

That is an as-yet undemonstrated assumption. I have my doubts aplenty, but have seen nothing conclusive to date.

You don't want to have a serious conversation about the end of western civilization. You just want me to reassure you that the prepackaged "solution" they're selling you on every channel really will make things acceptable again without anyone having to go out on a limb and upset the apple cart too much.

He didn't legitimately win the first time; again I ask what of it? The fraud was blatant and the response to the mountains of damning evidence well sealed it for me. Between the two, anyone doubting is either low in intellectual fuel, or peddling.

Every single cycle since the SCOTUS decided Bush v. Gore they've been throwing something different at us each time. From the illiterate son of an ex-CIA head to a foreign national with a tranny "wife" to a blowhard who limits his vocabulary to that of a third grade playground bully to the senile pedophile, the only constant is that each is a bigger clown than the last. And you can't seem to grasp that this guy might just be the relief of the ever-escalating, ratcheting pressure that could sell the American people the unthinkable.

You look at 2020, and say, this is the new normal. But the only reason they were able to put 2020 over is because people were unprepared for it. They were still looking at 2016 and insisting that was the new normal. And that worked because we were still looking at 2012 and assuming that was the new business as usual.

There is no business as usual. The deep state is bored with the status quo, and arrogant enough to just know they can have even more than they do.

I'm going to need just a wee bit more here.

I doubt that'll do the trick. I've been pouring this into you for months, and you certainly haven't been soaking it up like one of those more desirable, more absorbent name brands of paper towels. Most of it seems to pour out the other ear. But what I was once again telling you is, the deep state does not love the sexually confused, the melanin-sufficient, the brainwashed and strident, and want them to be happy. They are tools to give us our four red years, similar to the Two Red Years that catapulted Mussolini to power. And just as soon as we agree to sacrifice the Constitution, they will happily stand them up against the wall and shoot them all.

If the difference for me is living to fight another day...

Fight? Or just be suckered one more day?

There is no business as usual. They are obviously not setting us up for a carbon copy repeat of 2020. All of this is in pursuit of an end, and if you refuse to consider that possibility, Sun Tsu would be very disappointed in you.

Just give up that constitution and we will thumb that lever and release this intolerable pressure we are putting on you a ratchet tooth or two. You know you can't stand no more. You know you weren't using your civil rights anyway. You'll soon be too old to notice, and I'm sure your kids and grandkids will forgive you someday. They're so brainwashed they'll never notice the difference anyway. Just stop clinging to that silly constitution and admit that you really love Trump like a Big Brother.

Ever read up on the rise of Mussolini?
 
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When a gunshot victime arrives at the ER, the first thing they do is get him stable and repair immediate and life-threatening damage. That is a very definite solution. They don't worry about infections, which comes after the patient has not died.

I'm not sure how you fail to see this.

You bought MAGA hook line and sinker, didn't you?

So, you're depending on Trump to make America great again. But you aren't naive enough to think his new CBDC will have a cash option. For example.

I've been saying it since 2015: Government never made America great. Only Americans -- civilian Americans -- ever did that trick. Only Americans --civilian Americans -- ever will.

Be careful not to become a Quisling. You want to be able to use a mirror when you shave.

Neither of these proven losers are any kind of solution to any of the real problems before us, except that your boy might just be willing to order aliens and other brown people mown down in the streets for your satisfaction and amusement. Hell, Trump's bound to want to top his old buddy Bibi in bloodshed. And Biden has set him up perfectly to do it.

If you think these mossy-haired harpies and these imported prison escapees are anything other than the carbon the powers that be want to reduce (once they're no longer needed to scare people like you away from real solutions), you haven't stopped to consider the care with which they have concentrated the one in close proximity to the other.

You simply aren't cynical enough to understand the head psychopaths in charge. Very, very few people are. Well buckle up, Pollyannas.
 
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There are those who read history, and cluck their tongues, and wonder how those silly people failed to see through the manipulation. But when history then rhymes on them, they diligently do just what they clicked their tongues at others over. And there are those who read history, and when it rhymes, they recognize the meter. They say, I've seen this play, and I don't want a role in it.

The game looks the same to some of us when we're living in the ugly middle of it as when we're overviewing it from our favorite history book reading chair. And we find that most of the people who seemingly can't are prone to feel a compulsive need to ignore it and hope it goes away.

The search term is Biennio Rosso. We are enjoying our Quadrennio Rosso. Study up and you'll never look at Trussolini the same way again.

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