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SPLIT FROM: FISA reauthorization & Section 702 warrantless surveillance

House blocks FISA reauthorization bill after Trump says ‘kill FISA’

The GOP-led House voted to block the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act reauthorization bill on the House floor Wednesday after it passed out of the Rules Committee on Tuesday.

The vote to block the rule providing for House floor consideration of the bill was 228 to 193. The latest vote reportedly marks the seventh time a rule that has failed on the House floor under House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La.

The "Reforming Intelligence and Securing America Act" would have extended Section 702 of FISA for 5 years. A group of amendments to the bill including a warrant requirement had cleared the Rules Committee on Tuesday night.

Former President Trump had posted on Truth Social that the GOP should "kill FISA" shortly before the scheduled vote.

More at: https://justthenews.com/government/congress/house-blocks-fisa-reauthorization-bill
 
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Maybe Trump learned his lesson and will actually fight against this crap next time around if he wins again
 
Maybe Trump learned his lesson and will actually fight against this crap next time around if he wins again

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Former President Trump had posted on Truth Social that the GOP should "kill FISA" shortly before the scheduled vote.

How generous of the two-faced politician /slash/ opportunist who is up for reelection.

- January 17, 2018 - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said he signed into law a bill renewing the National Security Agency’s Warrantless Internet Surveillance Program, sealing a defeat for digital privacy advocates. The legislation renews and extends Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) for six years and with minimal changes the National Security Agency (NSA) program. The program also incidentally scoops up Americans’ communications, including when they communicate with a foreign target living overseas, and can search those messages without a warrant.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-internet-surveillance-program-idUSKBN1F82MK/


Oh, I know, it was jdyvgzfbgghgfdop’s fault, so he had to do it.

Nice sales-pitch. Not.
 
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How generous of the two-faced politician /slash/ opportunist who is up for reelection.




Oh, I know, it was jdyvgzfbgghgfdop’s fault, so he had to do it.

Nice sales-pitch. Not.

Veto proof majorities.
 
No excuse. He should have gone on record defending the 4th amendment and given a speech calling out those who voted to gut it.

He's trying to kill it completely now.
He's not perfect, just the best option we have.
 
He's trying to kill it completely now.
He's not perfect, just the best option we have.


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The power of mass media takes advantage of human nature. Target audiences are presented with images and sounds that are naturally appealing. Then a new idea or suggested action is equated with the appealing scene, and the observer is unconsciously nudged to adopt the new behavior. For example, a commercial might show a happy family playing around the backyard swimming pool of a large house. Smiles and laughter abound. Smoke from barbecued meat drifts through the air and creates an imaginary aroma. Then an attractive mother looks to the camera and claims that she uses this product, or supports this politician, or believes in this idea. Because the staged family seems ideal, the viewer imagines herself as part of it, and while placing herself inside the narrative, she is subtly drawn to the product or concept being promoted. This is propaganda’s version of the Transitive Property of Equality: if the target identifies with the actors, and the actors identify with a product, then the target will identify with that product, too.
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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/04/no_author/popular-nullification-of-the-states-propaganda/
 
Will Rogers said:
It won't mean a thing. They will go in like all the rest of them, go in on promises and come out on alibis.

Trump and his useful idiots are uniquely arrogant in believing the world ought to buy the same set of broken promises again, because the alibis they lovingly craft for him are just so darned good.

They're exactly like progs. They want everyone to forget history.

 
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Point taken. Given that the Donald failed to keep his single most significant promise to drain the swamp, I understand how people might feel a smidge of mistrust. /sarc

However, and this turns on the assumption that the relevant factors are what they appear and are not theater elements, it could be said that Trump's putative defeat in 2020 holds at least some potential as a backhanded victory. Consider all that has come to light in the wake of his losing his bid for a second term. Would the raving corruption that we all knew was present, but could never quite prove beyond doubt in open fashion before the world have come to the fore in the absence of the left's apparently wild and flailing efforts to ensure Trump could never again gain the office? The seemingly unhinged reaction of the left, largely made manifest by the Democrats, has exposed the raw rot and stench and extent of the running state of unbridled corruption. If this is "organic", then one can but wonder where it will all lead in terms of people red-pilling and perhaps deciding they've had enough - dare I even hope. If it just more theater, perhaps intended as a show or even a metric of just how utter now is Theire power, then never mind.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I can't tell which this all is... or perhaps it is a mix and Theye are once again finding themselves astonished at how fully corrupted we Americans have become.

At this point I can dismiss nary a possibility out of hand.
 
President Donald Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson held a joint press conference earlier today from Mar-a-Lago.

Keep in mind, the UniParty DC operation is constructed to remove Johnson and negate the Republican majority in the House of Representatives as a strategy against Donald Trump. As an outcome, Trump must navigate this shark infested water very carefully.

Despite his personal and private opinions of Speaker Johnson, Trump must position support as a method to stop the effort to flip the House prior to the November election. Keep this in mind as you look at “Republican” members who would appear to be targeting Johnson from a MAGA perspective. Even with all the stupidity of the Speaker on full display, removing Johnson right now would be tantamount to a hostile anti-Trump shift in the House… WATCH:



https://theconservativetreehouse.co...olds-joint-presser-with-speaker-mike-johnson/
 
President Donald Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson held a joint press conference earlier today from Mar-a-Lago.

Keep in mind, the UniParty DC operation is constructed to remove Johnson and negate the Republican majority in the House of Representatives as a strategy against Donald Trump. As an outcome, Trump must navigate this shark infested water very carefully.

Despite his personal and private opinions of Speaker Johnson, Trump must position support as a method to stop the effort to flip the House prior to the November election. Keep this in mind as you look at “Republican” members who would appear to be targeting Johnson from a MAGA perspective. Even with all the stupidity of the Speaker on full display, removing Johnson right now would be tantamount to a hostile anti-Trump shift in the House… WATCH:



https://theconservativetreehouse.co...olds-joint-presser-with-speaker-mike-johnson/



Yep. Same DJT, same big government police-state solutions, never once addressed the root problems.

If Trump wants to Drain the Swamp so badly, he can start with himself.

That video was a complete waste of my time.
 
Keep in mind, the UniParty DC operation is constructed to remove Johnson and negate the Republican majority in the House of Representatives as a strategy against Donald Trump. As an outcome, Trump must navigate this shark infested water very carefully.

Despite his personal and private opinions of Speaker Johnson, Trump must position support as a method to stop the effort to flip the House prior to the November election. Keep this in mind as you look at “Republican” members who would appear to be targeting Johnson from a MAGA perspective. Even with all the stupidity of the Speaker on full display, removing Johnson right now would be tantamount to a hostile anti-Trump shift in the House…

It's a war against us. Not Donald Trump. The American people.

We may not have fame, an imported trophy wife, and a penchant for gold plated toilets. But we count too. In fact, we count more, because there are lots more of us than Donald Trump.

If getting rid of this Traitor Johnson hurts Trump, that's Trump's hard luck. I'm not letting a bunch of children in a treehouse talk me down.

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It's a war against us. Not Donald Trump. The American people.

We may not have fame, an imported trophy wife, and a penchant for gold plated toilets. But we count too. In fact, we count more, because there are lots more of us than Donald Trump.

If getting rid of this Traitor Johnson hurts Trump, that's Trump's hard luck. I'm not letting a bunch of children in a treehouse talk me down.

You truly are not tall enough for this ride.
Do you have any idea what the Demoncrats will do with control of the House in addition to the Senate and the White House?
They are after Trump because he's between them and us.
In addition to just what they will do with full government control, they will establish an open dictatorship if they can use the House to declare Trump guilty of insurrection and ineligible for office.
 
Yep. Same DJT, same big government police-state solutions, never once addressed the root problems.

If Trump wants to Drain the Swamp so badly, he can start with himself.

That video was a complete waste of my time.

Trump has already said to kill FISA entirely, and he's simply the best option we have.
 
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You truly are not tall enough for this ride.
Do you have any idea what the Demoncrats will do...

Yes. And I have all the proof I could possibly need that Republicans won't stop them. Especially that RINO named Trump.

Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Trump has already said to kill FISA entirely...

Candidate Trump says lots of things. President Trump was one of the reasons it isn't dead already.

But of course, you've asserted many times that his first term doesn't count because he was just a chuckle-headed sucker a few years ago, not a malevolent wolf in sheep's clothes. I still don't vote for chuckle-headed suckers either. Once a saphead, always a saphead.

... and he's simply the best option we have.

Then we have no acceptable options at all. Either that, or you just want to eliminate the best option with your own personal definition of "option". You know. The way progs redefine words when they can't win a debate.
 
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Trump has already said to kill FISA entirely, and he's simply the best option we have.

I can’t wait to hear the excuses this time.

In case you missed it:

- January 17, 2018 - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said he signed into law a bill renewing the National Security Agency’s Warrantless Internet Surveillance Program, sealing a defeat for digital privacy advocates. The legislation renews and extends Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) for six years and with minimal changes the National Security Agency (NSA) program. The program also incidentally scoops up Americans’ communications, including when they communicate with a foreign target living overseas, and can search those messages without a warrant.


In case you missed this too:

- Donald Trump Supports NSA Data Collection:




Next, you’ll be kissing up to the likes of her:


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Debbie Lesko Voted YES on H.R. 3935 FAA Reauthorization 07/20/2023

https://thenewamerican.com/freedom-index/legislator/l000589/
 
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I see here a fair amount of bile and outright hatred of Trump. I understand why and I have my own doubts, but riding around town on the "I Hate Trump" bandwagon is an unproductive tactic. If you need to vent, go to the back 40, set up targets, and break out the 50BMG. Ranting about the insufficiencies of Trump is a grade-A waste of time.


We are in a fight for our lives, figuratively and possibly physically, depending on which of the paranoid conspiracy speculations to which you subscribe. Standing on principles in the way of a purist such that the perfect becomes the enemy of the "will have to do under the circumstances", is a highly self-defeating approach. Stand on uch if you absolutely must, but as your purity leads you to the gas chamber, remember what I wrote here on this day.

There is principle and there is pragmatism. The sweet spot on any given day and under a given set of circumstances lies between the two. This is the essence of the art of living, and the art of war. My inner purist is with the others 100% regarding Trump. My inner pragmatist has taken a 2x4 and knocked the purist mostly stupid for the sake of not dying on the wrong hill. I provisionally support Trump because we the people are painted into a very tight corner, the alternative choices posing a far more remote chance of helping us out. It's trite and it is as sad as the devil bawling his eyes out a rock in Georgia, but Trump is by all appearances the lesser evil.

And so we are left with the paltry choices of Biden, some ain't-gonna-win-no-matter-how-hard-we-vote third party candidate, Trump, giving up entirely and going home and blowing our brains out for despair, or going to hot warfare against Theire minions in the United States. None of these options are particularly appetizing, I think many here would agree. But Trump is, again to all appearances, by far the least of the evils presented to us for choice. And if the appearances are false in the ways and to the degrees we might call "worst case", then we are sore-fucked and reduced to the choices of capitulation or hot war and nothing we do otherwise will count for anything good.

As a practical measure, and given the reality of the unenviable position into which we have allowed ourselves to be maneuvered by malevolent interests, and further given that we cannot know for certain the cloth from which the Donald is cut, he remains the current best hope for any return to a lesser state of servitude. Again, if he proves to be something very much other than what he advertises, then we are screwed to the barn door no worse than if we choose otherwise. We know Biden will continue to pile-drive us into the dust, and IMO war is the option of absolute last resort, to be chosen only if it becomes clear that Trump is leading us down the garden path.

I say support Trump with the full expectation that he is going to do the BOHICA tango on us. At that point we have nothing to lose but our cell phones and any crumbs tossed our way might be seen at least as a move in the right direction... maybe. Sitting this one out: loser. Voting otherwise: demonstrated loser. Going to war: almost vanishingly small likelihood we have to sand for it, and it would still be premature.

Given what we have allowed Themme to do to us, and we are all guilty of it, Trump is the only choice that is even cosmetically promising not to make things worse.

Be practical and have your inner pragmatist work your inner purist over with a soft iron wire until the latter gets really quiet because we don't need to hear from him a whole lot at the moment. If we can make for better days, and I'm very dubious that we can at this point, then we will want his counsel in order that we do our best not to become that which we claim to despise and hate.

If ever there was a time in American history to get smart, it is now. As bad as things stand today, you will really hate what will be coming if we do not at least hold the barbarians at the gates.

Your choice.

It always was.

Mortem proditoribus


Mortem tyrannis
 
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There is principle and there is pragmatism. The sweet spot on any given day and under a given set of circumstances lies between the two. This is the essence of the art of living, and the art of war. My inner purist is with the others 100% regarding Trump. My inner pragmatist has taken a 2x4 and knocked the purist mostly stupid for the sake of not dying on the wrong hill. I provisionally support Trump because we the people are painted into a very tight corner, the alternative choices posing a far more remote chance of helping us out. It's trite and it is as sad as the devil bawling his eyes out a rock in Georgia, but Trump is by all appearances the lesser evil.

FFS. You, of all people? Fascism is the best you can expect?

Don't know how to burst your bubble, but we're in no danger of being permanently saddled with this woke commie crap. It doesn't amuse the powers that be that much. It's a tool, a means to an end, and an expensive method too. No way they try to sustain it.

We can do better than your lesser evil. We are not going to do worse. They've made Biden too unfunny a joke for his senile ass to be preserved.

This is no time to stop being a radical. They're trying to make Trump look like the only option. Why would you help them do it? They're trying to make this such a high-stakes cycle of their lesser evil game that we say, we won't make you fool us any more. Take our constitution and our rights -- please. Biden is a toothless boogieman. One look and you know he won't last.

It's a high stakes game. And as [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] noted in another thread, they've never been more vulnerable. Ever. Certainly Trump-flavored fascism will make the remainder of your days more comfortable than this Biden Soviet is doing, but I prefer to think of the children. Some of them do deserve better.
 
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You truly are not tall enough for this ride.
Do you have any idea what the Demoncrats will do with control of the House in addition to the Senate and the White House?
They are after Trump because he's between them and us.
In addition to just what they will do with full government control, they will establish an open dictatorship if they can use the House to declare Trump guilty of insurrection and ineligible for office.

Let them.

Lets see if those 400 million guns and 8 trillion rounds of ammo are nothing more than expensive paperweights.

The fix is already in, "they" have registered millions of unidentified voters.
 
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