Trump DOJ considers banning transgenders from owning guns

[TheTexan]

The reason I cite "most people" is because that is how you win elections, if you discard what most people want, you lose elections which is the only thing the Libertarian Party is good for, losing. We are the most armed society in all of history; this deterrent you speak of is not working. This school shooter knew he was going to kill himself after killing as many as possible, so I really don't think he cared whether it was a gun free zone or not. Same with the Marjory Stoneman Douglass, they had armed security guards, the shooter didn't care.

If Massie wants to repeal gun free zones, fine, but he doesn't get enough support for it to pass because people don't think it will help.

Yep armed staff and security guards can only do so much. If a school shooter wants to murder people he's going to murder people.

And the more well he's armed, the more he's likely to murder. Regardless of how well the defenders are armed.

If we truly honored the 2nd amendment, i.e., made grenades and rocket launchers legal, these school shooting scenarios would end up with way more innocent casualties.

And you kinda have to be okay with that (as I am), if you want to actually uphold the 2nd amendment.

The root of these school shooting issues of course is the toxic culture and pharma creating this mental health crisis... and the 2nd amendment can't fix that... at least not directly

 

[jmdrake]

The reason I cite "most people" is because that is how you win elections, if you discard what most people want, you lose elections which is the only thing the Libertarian Party is good for, losing. We are the most armed society in all of history; this deterrent you speak of is not working. This school shooter knew he was going to kill himself after killing as many as possible, so I really don't think he cared whether it was a gun free zone or not. Same with the Marjory Stoneman Douglass, they had armed security guards, the shooter didn't care.

If Massie wants to repeal gun free zones, fine, but he doesn't get enough support for it to pass because people don't think it will help.

So....why do these shooters never target gun shows? I know of ONE case where someone attempted to do a mass shooting at a gun store and he killed 2 people before he was killed by someone else at the gun store.

https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/louisiana-gun-store-operator-says-shooter-refused-to-unload

The question isn't simply one of deterrence. It's also a question of how quickly the threat can be neutralized. By the time you dial 9/11 you could be neutralizing the threat. Just saying.

 

[jmdrake]

Yep armed staff and security guards can only do so much. If a school shooter wants to murder people he's going to murder people.

And the more well he's armed, the more he's likely to murder. Regardless of how well the defenders are armed.

If we truly honored the 2nd amendment, i.e., made grenades and rocket launchers legal, these school shooting scenarios would end up with way more innocent casualties.

And you kinda have to be okay with that (as I am), if you want to actually uphold the 2nd amendment.

The root of these school shooting issues of course is the toxic culture and pharma creating this mental health crisis... and the 2nd amendment can't fix that... at least not directly

The war in Urkaine has shown that 3D printed FPV drones can be just as effective as rocket launches. Just saying. And (currently) no license is required.

 

[TheTexan]

The war in Urkaine has shown that 3D printed FPV drones can be just as effective as rocket launches. Just saying. And (currently) no license is required.

Yea but the tools to make them dangerous aren't readily available and easy for the mentally ill.

The people who do these school shootings are not sophisticated people, if they were the casualties would be way higher.

But if we gave them readily available access to grenades and claymores, they would use them

 

[jmdrake]

Yea but the tools to make them dangerous aren't readily available and easy for the mentally ill.

The people who do these school shootings are not sophisticated people, if they were the casualties would be way higher.

But if we gave them readily available access to grenades and claymores, they would use them

So I wasn't talking about school shooters as much as I was your point regarding holding up the 2nd amendment. I'm assuming you mean the people having an effective means to resist a hostile military force. While the Ukrainians initially were using Javelin missles, most of their anti-tank warfare is now done with drones. And as for the "make drone go boom" part....

 

[TheTexan]

So I wasn't talking about school shooters as much as I was your point regarding holding up the 2nd amendment. I'm assuming you mean the people having an effective means to resist a hostile military force.

By upholding the 2nd I mostly meant that the right to bear arms would not be infringed

Though I do agree drones are the future of warfare

Whoever can build them in the greatest volume will win

 

[Occam's Banana]

The reason I cite "most people" is because that is how you win elections

What is the point of winning elections if you are just going to implement laws that significantly enable your political enemies to secure even more power and control than they already have (and which render you even more helpless and vulnerable to those enemies)?

We are the most armed society in all of history; this deterrent you speak of is not working.

It's not working to do what? To completely eliminate all gun violence forever and ever, amen? Of course it isn't working to do that. Nothing ever can or will. If that's your standard, then you are a hopeless utopian.

And unless you are able to perform the miraculous feat of counting the number of mass shootings that did not occur because (among other things) "we are the most armed society in all of history", but which would have occurred if we were not such a society, then you haven't got any basis for asserting that such a deterrent is not working. (All you can do is make the utopian complaint that it isn't working perfectly.)

[bold emphasis added:]

This school shooter knew he was going to kill himself after killing as many as possible, so I really don't think he cared whether it was a gun free zone or not. Same with the Marjory Stoneman Douglass, they had armed security guards, the shooter didn't care.

Of course he "cared whether it was a gun free zone or not" (and his being suicidal has nothing to do with it).

For just one thing, he expressly and explicitly said so! (I don't see how it could possibly be any clearer than that.)

And you yourself even pointed out exactly why he cared - his objective was "killing as many as possible". Knowing the venue was a "gun-free zone" assured him that he could maximize his "kill count" without someone else with a gun stopping him before he got around to killing himself.

If Massie wants to repeal gun free zones, fine, but he doesn't get enough support for it to pass because people don't think it will help.

He doesn't get enough support for it because (for obvious reasons) most politicians want to reduce/minimize the number of people who have access to guns (or the number of places where they can carry them). Most politicians don't give a shit what people do or don't think, except for purposes of campaign-mode pandering. (For just one of nearly infinite examples, remember how Feinstein admitted in the Senate how opposition to TARP among her constituents was running 4-to-1 against, but she voted for it anyway - and then got reelected?)

 

[oyarde]

In case of mental illnes so severe to degree of genital mutilation trans weird I say segregate em on an island as was / lepers but issue all a weapon

 

[ClaytonB]

Trans has nothing to do with the 2A. If someone commits a crime, they can be imprisoned or executed. If someone is a real danger to themselves or others, they need to be committed. Otherwise, they remain free and have all the freedoms they were born with.

THE ONLY GUN LAW IS THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND IT MERELY ACKNOWLEDGES THE NATURAL-BORN RIGHT WE HAVE WHETHER OR NOT THE GOVERNMENT AGREES

Everything else is just tyranny (and cowardice).

 

[jmdrake]

This belongs here:

 

[jmdrake]

Kamala Harris: "I have a Glock. I just want to get rid of those scary semi automatics."



California: "Let's ban Glocks because they are scary semi automatics."

 

[69360]

Really if ATF enforced the existing rules, transgender people are already banned from purchasing guns. It's right on the form you fill out in the store. "mental defective"

 

[Occam's Banana]

Really if ATF enforced the existing rules, transgender people are already banned from purchasing guns. It's right on the form you fill out in the store. "mental defective"

Also, Minnesota already has a "red flag" law (laws?).

But I'm sure some more laws and regulations added to the ones that already don't work, will work.

 

[acptulsa]

What is the point of winning elections if you are just going to implement laws that significantly enable your political enemies to secure even more power and control than they already have (and which render you even more helpless and vulnerable to those enemies)?

You might as well ask Charlie Sheen that. Losing your liberty, your birthright, your progeny, even your life is all good to him, as long as you go down WINNING!!

 

[unknown]

And Izrael.

Anyone who criticizes the false flag/genocidal/pedophiliac capital of the world.

 

[jmdrake]

Really if ATF enforced the existing rules, transgender people are already banned from purchasing guns. It's right on the form you fill out in the store. "mental defective"

You have to have been adjudicated mentally defective (as in been brought before a court of law where a judge says you are mentally defective) or been involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

https://www.atf.gov/file/58791/download

If we're just going by a general definition of crazy, that would include anyone who still supports President Trump after he gaslit people into believing he was going to release the Epstein files and then turned around and called them a "Democratic hoax." At this point I would trust Blair White with a gun faster than I would trust Ben Shapiro.

 

[69360]

You have to have been adjudicated mentally defective (as in been brought before a court of law where a judge says you are mentally defective) or been involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

https://www.atf.gov/file/58791/download

If we're just going by a general definition of crazy, that would include anyone who still supports President Trump after he gaslit people into believing he was going to release the Epstein files and then turned around and called them a "Democratic hoax." At this point I would trust Blair White with a gun faster than I would trust Ben Shapiro.

I think you will find that a majority of transgenders have been committed in the past. Most of the time it coexists with other mental illnesses.

 

[jmdrake]

I think you will find that a majority of transgenders have been committed in the past. Most of the time it coexists with other mental illnesses.

How many transgenders do you know? I personally know two. Neither have been committed or put on psychotropic drugs. One is in a wheelchair from being stabbed in the back by her cisgender stepson who actually does have mental illness.

Edit: Also NONE of the transgenders who have done mass shootings have been committed. If they had then the whole push about banning transgenders from getting guns would be redundant because they would have already been banned from having guns. And once again, as @Anti Federalist loves to point out, it's the ratios that matter and statistically speaking transgenders are less likely to be mass shooters than just your regular non LGBTQ man.