Trump did not visit Epstein homes or island, no contact with underage girls

Isn’t blind faith what one typically has in one’s idolatrous “god”?

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There certainly has been a remarkable quantity of dogma that has grown up around Trump in a very short period of time. The "propaganda is good when Team Red does it" crowd are being led around by the nose just as much as the Disciples of Teh Science™.
 
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Trump is a fraud. ClaytonB you have no idea what you're talking about. Trump installed lots of neocons. He increased military spending by over 30%. He tossed treaties away with Russia and Iran. He is totally for what is happening in Israel, that's why he's not talking about it. It was in his son-in-law's freaking Deal. Trump stayed in Syria and Iraq for Israel. He kiled the peace in space treaty and the nuke treaties with Russia. Trump tried to overthrow Maduro, got the MIC in Ecuador, and armed Ukraine. Trump bombed the crap out of Afghanistan with the MOAB and never left. Don't call me a Leftist, you are the Leftist, and I am the Traditionalist and further to the Right than you can turn your noggin because your noggin is full of nothing but filthy lucre and deceitful plots disguised as philosophies by revolutionary Babylonians.
 
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Uh huh. Lolita Express was only Lolita Express when going to and from the island, and Air Force One is only Air Force One when the president's on board.

They didn't change the hors d'oeuvres on either one, though. And you have no way whatsoever of knowing what he ate and what ate him on that flight. Nothing but blind faith.
No, Epstein had a jet with a special interior for the flights to the island, the jet Trump caught the ride on never went to the island.
 
Trump is a fraud. ClaytonB you have no idea what you're talking about. Trump installed lots of neocons. He increased military spending by over 30%. He tossed treaties away with Russia and Iran. He is totally for what is happening in Israel, that's why he's not talking about it. It was in his son-in-law's freaking Deal. Trump stayed in Syria and Iraq for Israel. He kiled the peace in space treaty and the nuke treaties with Russia. Trump tried to overthrow Maduro, got the MIC in Ecuador, and armed Ukraine. Trump bombed the crap out of Afghanistan with the MOAB and never left. Don't call me a Leftist, you are the Leftist, and I am the Traditionalist and further to the Right than you can turn your noggin because your noggin is full of nothing but filthy lucre and deceitful plots disguised as philosophies by revolutionary Babylonians.

He did what he could with the Senate full of RINOs and a Bureaucracy full of Deepstaters.
And some of what you complain about was the right thing to do for America, it just wasn't kissing the CCP's ring and being their servant or bowing to their puppet dictator regimes like Maduro.

And he IS the one who got us out of Afghanistan, Biden delayed it and botched it.
 
No, Epstein had a jet with a special interior for the flights to the island, the jet Trump caught the ride on never went to the island.

Oh. Didn't realize you have been living on the non-special jet since it was built, so you can testify to its movements.

Or is this more blind faith?
 
Trump is a fraud. ClaytonB you have no idea what you're talking about. Trump installed lots of neocons. He increased military spending by over 30%. He tossed treaties away with Russia and Iran. He is totally for what is happening in Israel, that's why he's not talking about it. It was in his son-in-law's freaking Deal. Trump stayed in Syria and Iraq for Israel. He kiled the peace in space treaty and the nuke treaties with Russia. Trump tried to overthrow Maduro, got the MIC in Ecuador, and armed Ukraine. Trump bombed the crap out of Afghanistan with the MOAB and never left. Don't call me a Leftist, you are the Leftist, and I am the Traditionalist and further to the Right than you can turn your noggin because your noggin is full of nothing but filthy lucre and deceitful plots disguised as philosophies by revolutionary Babylonians.
:) good post! But you forgot what he didn't do, he didn't pardon Snowden nor Assange. Clayton needs a bib for all that knob slobbering he does.
 
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No, no, mindlessly repeating Democrat talking-points in respect to Trump's involvement with Epstein is the way to go, here. See, we don't care about how many times Clinton or Gates flew the Lolita to Little St. James, or what was going on down there, because we can't split the conservative vote with those "irrelevant" facts. But dragging votes away from MAGA (née Tea-Party) by litmus-testing Trump against libertarian ideological purity is obviously the way to go for the great success of this country!

You know, if the never-Trumper libertarians had some kind of alternative to Trump that could build some real populist momentum, an "American Javier Milei", so to speak, I would drop Trump like a hot-potato without a second thought. It's the fact that they have no alternative, that there's nothing in particular that they can point us towards, in terms of a political focal-point for MAGA/conservative/libertarian political energy, that gives away the real game, here. The game is called "2-party split-the-vote". Blindly repeating leftist talking-points because you're too committed to ideological purity and litmus-testing to see the political consequences 3 steps down the road... :rolleyes:
Nothing says Ignominy like your dishonest personage.
 
The great Republican struggle is on again. It's always a two front war. They have to make excuses for the "frontrunner" as declared by the enemy--the MSM. And they have to run around telling conservatives they had better join the herd.

This is because they know most Republicans have no idea who else is available besides the one the MSM advertises for free. And they figure it's not hypocrisy because they lie just as hard about the pig to themselves as anyone else.

Consensus is life. Life in socialism.

So with people dying all around us, not the ones who died at Warp Speed but dead nonetheless, they think it all comes down to whether or not the Epstein private jet Trump rode on was the one with the "special interior", or the one that apparently rode on aerial rails because it couldn't be steered toward that island.

Democrats just vote for whatever is set before them. Republicans look at whoever the teevee talks about the most and fall hopelessly in love. Such a foolproof way to choose the Leader of the Free World™.
 
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Lets face it we are not in control of what "evidence" comes out and how relevant it is. It's a trillion$$$ blackmail scheme. All of the people that are allowed to be president or who are in some powerful position are compromised in someway or another. Absolutely nobody of the elite are pure. If they can't be blackmailed they don't get in.

I used to know a woman who helped set up politicians for blackmail. One day she told me about it or tried to. I was really appalled that she would be involved in it and lost respect for her and politics in general. She wasn't a minor but she got the goods and I would not doubt if she would find a minor if necessary to get the job done.

Trump seems very egotistic. I don't know him personally. So how can I actually know what he has done? There probably is some type of imagery that could be used as prof. I am sure he is compromised because no matter what the media says about him he is one of them.

I am psychic so I suppose I could zoom in on him if I wanted to. Years ago I was offered training and a position with a remote viewing team. Which I flatly turned down because I really don't want to know what all these "leaders" are doing or where they are and, I don't work for the man. I don't talk about being psychic very much.To me it can take a person to some very dark places. I don't want to hear the thoughts of others especially perverts and degeneratives. I feel it is very intrusive and could violate sovereignty of an individual if they have not requested a reading of some type. I have learned how to block a lot of stuff. I do help some people sometimes I never charge for it.

So , if you think anybody in power is not compromised you have too many holes in your head or something...
 
Trump is a fraud. ClaytonB you have no idea what you're talking about. Trump installed lots of neocons. He increased military spending by over 30%. He tossed treaties away with Russia and Iran. He is totally for what is happening in Israel, that's why he's not talking about it. It was in his son-in-law's freaking Deal. Trump stayed in Syria and Iraq for Israel. He kiled the peace in space treaty and the nuke treaties with Russia. Trump tried to overthrow Maduro, got the MIC in Ecuador, and armed Ukraine. Trump bombed the crap out of Afghanistan with the MOAB and never left. Don't call me a Leftist, you are the Leftist, and I am the Traditionalist and further to the Right than you can turn your noggin because your noggin is full of nothing but filthy lucre and deceitful plots disguised as philosophies by revolutionary Babylonians.
Don't forget he also did Operation Warp Speed and to this day is still defending the vaccines.
 
Trump is a fraud. ClaytonB you have no idea what you're talking about. Trump installed lots of neocons.

OK, so why didn't those neoCONs that he installed do neoCON things?! You know, like start new wars, or bomb brown kids?? Why did the neoCON agenda stay on pause until a Democrat got back into POTUS? It is not I who am clueless. You're duped by the boiler-plate left-right narrative, not to mention you're a leftist.

He tossed treaties away with Russia and Iran.

There were no hostilities between US/Russia or US/Iran during 2017-2020. That Trump inherited a flaming dumpster-fire of garbage international treaties is axiomatic, like saying the sky is blue. Way to demonstrate your superior grasp of international politics!

He is totally for what is happening in Israel,

Well, last I checked, Hamas existed in 2017-2020, so if he was so pro-war with Hamas, why didn't he start it himself? Why did it happen on the watch of a Democrat POTUS? Don't play naive, we all know that Israel's policy is just an extension of Washington, DC. Why didn't Trump let Israel off the chain, why did it require a Democrat in order for "Israel's 9/11" to get the greenlight?

Trump stayed in Syria and Iraq for Israel. He kiled the peace in space treaty and the nuke treaties with Russia. Trump tried to overthrow Maduro, got the MIC in Ecuador, and armed Ukraine. Trump bombed the crap out of Afghanistan with the MOAB and never left. Don't call me a Leftist, you are the Leftist, and I am the Traditionalist and further to the Right than you can turn your noggin because your noggin is full of nothing but filthy lucre and deceitful plots disguised as philosophies by revolutionary Babylonians.

OK, the rest of this does not merit a detailed reply. It's like a CEO takes over a bankrupt corporation and the employees who cratered the company to begin with are complaining about his hair-style (quite literally!) and the car brand he drives.

Don't call me a Leftist,

Truth hurts, but it's the truth. Anyone who cares can scan your post history and immediately see you are a dyed-red cultural marxist, oddly trying to pose as some kind of "libertarian" or something, who knows. Once again, BUZZ OFF leftist...
 
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OK, so why didn't those neoCONs that he installed do neoCON things?! You know, like start new wars, or bomb brown kids??

So, you're denying that there were more drone strikes in Trump's first two years than in all eight of Obama's years?

You're duped by the boiler-plate left-right narrative, not to mention you're a leftist.

If the shoe fits, accuse the "other side" of wearing it. Well, yes, that shoe fits the "other side" as perfectly as it fits you. Doesn't fit Snowball, though. Get real.

OK, the rest of this does not merit a detailed reply.

Works for me.
 
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So, you're denying that there were more drone strikes in Trump's first two years than in all eight of Obama's years?

The technology is more mature now, don't be ridiculous. That's like saying there were more cruise-missile strikes under Bush than Clinton... while true, also irrelevant.

You know perfectly well that I 100.0% oppose the MIC with every fiber of my being. The MIC is antichrist to its core. Did Trump behead the MIC? Obviously not. They were screeching under Trump because he was strangulating the MIC, factually. There were no new multi-trillion dollar wars for four years. They were screeching because, if things kept on like that much longer, they would have been killed.

The MIC is a wedge-issue in the Right and the Democrats are cleverly playing it for all it's worth. The biggest support base in the US for the MIC comes from the most culturally conservative communities. Most of these communities have a recruitment pipeline to the Pentagon and, in itself, there's nothing inherently evil about that... a professional soldier class is not inherently evil, any more than having full-time police is evil. But the MIC uses the generic patriotism of these communities as a cover for its multi-trillion dollar heists of the American public. The scale of operations of the MIC makes everything else peanuts by comparison, even Big Pharma. And so everything is riding on this confusion between genuine American patriotism and pro-veteran sentiment, which is not a bad thing, and the vast heist of the American public to the tune of trillions of dollars per year by the demonic MIC.

If you actually care to oppose the Democrats' political strategy on this point, then you're going to need to figure out how to "un-wedge" it, that is, how do we get the American public to understand the MIC heist without attacking genuine, healthy patriotism and pro-veteran sentiment, as the radical Left does? That's the knot that we have to un-tangle, and so far, like it or not, MAGA is the most progress that anyone has made on this specific issue to date. You don't personally like Trump? OK, that's valid, I'm not a native fan of the Orange Man either. I warmed up to him by the end of his presidency and remain tepid in my support, pending further developments. But point me to the man/movement who has made more progress against the Dubya-neoCON RINOs, without going off into madhouse leftism, than Trump/MAGA. Just point me in that direction, and I will gladly join my efforts to that cause instead! The MIC is the single greatest enemy of the American public, and anything that is making progress against them without simultaneously attacking traditional American values, is worth supporting for that goal. "Trump bombed things too" is not a valid objection, it's intentionally missing the forest for the trees.
 
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The MIC is just like the Fedflation right now. Biden could never have erected these twin towers of insanity if Trump hadn't borrowed and spent him one hell of a foundation to build them on.
 
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Sometimes this feels like trying to reason with a brick-wall... :unamused:

That the MIC did not shrink, or even grew, under Trump, is not the issue. Most of their growth is already "baked in" to the Federal budget (by design). The issue is what we call in calculus "the first derivative", meaning, the rate-of-change of a function. Trump's spending went more to MIC than to domestic welfare programs, which is standard right-wing policy. No one is denying that. But the MIC is not about "spending more on the military than on domestic welfare programs". It's an inter-generational, multi-trillion dollar heist that inter-operates with the Fed and feeds on a pipeline of Orwellian never-ending wars. I know you know this, so I don't understand all the playing-dumb in this thread. Even if I hated Trump's guts with the screeching fury of a high-visibility-vest-wearing autist, I would still have to acknowledge that he, for whatever reason, disrupted the MIC's war-narrative pipeline during his four-years. It's like if Oceania was suddenly at peace with all of its neighbors for four years. How odd... we're not at war with Eastasia... but we're not at war with Eurasia either? Surely, we must be at war with somebody!
 
Can anyone name someone in Trump's cabinet who wasn't a neocon?
 
"spending more on the military than on domestic welfare programs".

Strange place for quote marks. I sure as hell didn't say that.

It's an inter-generational, multi-trillion dollar heist that inter-operates with the Fed and feeds on a pipeline of Orwellian never-ending wars.

Despite the orange vest autist screeching of certain voices here, Trump never ended a war. If he had, how could we all blame Biden for doing one hell of a lousy job pulling out?

Your argument was they had to be new wars. Those are the facts your theory needs to fit. Try to make that work.

Sometimes this feels like trying to reason with a brick-wall... :unamused:

Next time test your basic assumption for accuracy before you build your brick wall of text on it.
 
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Strange place for quote marks. I sure as hell didn't say that.

This is the LAST AND FINAL TIME I will explain the concept of scare-quotes to you. If you persist on accusing me of putting words in your mouth because I use scare-quotes on occasion to offset or emphasize a phrase, or indicate that something is part of "conventional wisdom" to which I don't personally agree, then you'll just go on ignore. It's willful at this point.
 
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