Trump did not visit Epstein homes or island, no contact with underage girls

[nobody's_hero]

So you are saying that Ron Paul is a “Trump fellator”?

Ron Paul is an example of when TDS isn't so severe that things can still be viewed objectively.

 

[ClaytonB]

All right, Capt. Jack Sparrow and Barbossa it is...

Unless I'm very much mistaken, I've been watching them baby-step us into tyranny since before you were born.

OK? You say that like I haven't written book-length treatments on that very topic on this very forum...

Just because a lot of this tyranny predates the 80s doesn't make me a babe-in-the-woods. It goes back to before you were born, as well, unless you happen to be about 111 years old, like the Fed is. And really, the plot is much older than that.

Last I checked, when Sparrow and Barbarossa tangled, the director yelled cut and the stuntmen all stood up. Well, I know a few of Trump's stunt people who won't be standing again until the Reckoning. Grow up. Johnny Depp you ain't.

My compass has gotten me this far...

Did he or didn't he sample the fresh whores d'oeuvres on Epstein's jet?

I don't know. If he did something illegal, he should be held to account. Am I happy to say, "he has smoke but nobody has shown fire"? No, I'm not happy to say that. I want a leader we can actually believe in. But you and I both know that won't happen this side of the Millennium.

 

[acptulsa]

All right, Capt. Jack Sparrow and Barbossa it is...

Shit happens when you call people deranged. Is this adult discourse? Does that fit your definition of the Golden Rule?

Some people would consider those who want the Father of The Mengele Jab reinstalled to be deranged, you know. And not unreasonably.

 

[TheCount]

So you are saying that Ron Paul is a “Trump fellator”?

Ron Paul has never claimed that the justice system is unfairly biased against billionaires and politicians, so far as I'm aware.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Ron Paul has never claimed that the justice system is unfairly biased against billionaires and politicians, so far as I'm aware.

Nice try. Swing and a miss.

From you:

"Trump and his fellators are the outraged ones who claim that he's unfairly disadvantaged by an unfair justice system which is biased against him. "

 

[ClaytonB]

$#@! happens when you call people deranged. Is this adult discourse? Does that fit your definition of the Golden Rule?

Some people would consider those who want the Father of The Mengele Jab reinstalled to be deranged, you know. And not unreasonably.

Well, if you will review the thread, I nowhere put TDS and you in the same post, let alone sentence. The agreement I gave to one of Swordsmyth's posts was in respect to the positive points made there, not any personal disagreement you have going on. That's between you two. I prefer sticking to the topic itself. Have a bite of the apple and just calm down, it will taste better without a rapier going through your innards...

 

[acptulsa]

Nice try. Swing and a miss.

From you:

"Trump and his fellators are the outraged ones who claim that he's unfairly disadvantaged by an unfair justice system which is biased against him. "

He also said that was something new which Trump has not yet become accustomed to, in all fairness.

Well, if you will review the thread, I nowhere put TDS and you in the same post, let alone sentence.

Does it matter? Do you really still think anyone who doubts Trump as Savior is deranged?

The devil wants to see his divide and conquer scheme work. Do you?

 

[fisharmor]

Nice try. Swing and a miss.

From you:

"Trump and his fellators are the outraged ones who claim that he's unfairly disadvantaged by an unfair justice system which is biased against him. "

And that's the difference.
Trump spent his entire career taking advantage of a biased system and made billions doing it.
Now the system is being pointed against him specifically. I'll freely admit the system isn't biased against any particular person (normally) - it is biased against classes of people.
There are those who want that bias to be directed against billionaires in order to make up for past injustices to particular classes and are thus ok with the bias existing in the first place. But that's not what we're talking about.

I think everyone is conflating issues here. And I think we can all agree that the justice system is proving itself more broken than normal in this case.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

And that's the difference.
Trump spent his entire career taking advantage of a biased system and made billions doing it.
Now the system is being pointed against him specifically. I'll freely admit the system isn't biased against any particular person (normally) - it is biased against classes of people.
There are those who want that bias to be directed against billionaires in order to make up for past injustices to particular classes and are thus ok with the bias existing in the first place. But that's not what we're talking about.

I think everyone is conflating issues here. And I think we can all agree that the justice system is proving itself more broken than normal in this case.

Agree.

 

[ClaytonB]

Does it matter? Do you really still think anyone who doubts Trump as Savior is deranged?

TDS is an apt rhetorical description of the screeching caused by Trump's name across a wide swathe of American politicos. I like the term.

The devil wants to see his divide and conquer scheme work. Do you?

We've had this argument like umpteen times already, we're practically an old married couple at his point. Our only point of disagreement is that you have written off Trump completely and I have not. That's it. I'm not a Trump fanboi. Some on this forum are. I am not. But you perpetually confuse my mere lack of TDS for pom-pom shaking, fanboi cheering for all things Trump. I use the memes only because they make the right people screech, not because I'm a "true believer"...

 

[vita3]

I use the memes only because they make the right people screech, not because I'm a "true believer

No, you use it because your a troll.

Aim for more in life.

 

[Snowball]

I fit in neither category. I don't "believe in" Trump but I don't have TDS either. While I enthusiastically support the classical American values which Ron Paul spent his political career standing up for, and I respect him for that important work, the objective fact is that Ron Paul was not able to build enough political momentum to take POTUS or build a big enough coalition in Congress to change things. Once again, that does not take away from his enormously important contributions to liberty in America, but there is a missing ingredient. What Trump lacks in philosophical purity, he makes up for in mass political energization. In the case of standard RINO fare, we only have a choice among neoCONs. Trump is anathema to the neoCONs and now we know why: because he was not going to start any new wars for them, and was even drawing down troops in existing needless overseas conflicts that we have no business being entangled in. Is Trump "the answer" in 2024? I don't know, we'll just have to see how it plays out, but he certainly hasn't DQ'd himself to this point if for no other reason than that he has proven he will stand up to the neoCON/MIC and send them packing. I will take more neoCON screeching any time I can get it, whether from Trump or anyone else on the ticket who can actually deliver...

here's your black jelly bean. open wide.

 

[acptulsa]

TDS is an apt rhetorical description of the screeching ...

But you perpetually confuse my mere lack of TDS for pom-pom shaking, fanboi cheering ...

I dislike the screeching of progs in the throes of cognitive dissonance as much as anyone. But that doesn't mean Trump invented it, is the sole thing that can cause it, or that everyone who has a problem with him paying Pfizer to kill our loved ones is deranged.

You like the term? Then clearly you like getting in trouble, or you'd be more polite about who you apply it to. You like the term, and bandy it recklessly, so I guess you like confusing them with people like us. But you don't like being confused with the kind of people who can't see what and who lies between those extremes. There's a textbook case for the Golden Rule if ever I came across one.

 

[ClaytonB]

You like the term? Then clearly you like getting in trouble, or you'd be more polite about who you apply it to. You like the term, and bandy it recklessly, so I guess you like confusing them with people like us. But you don't like being confused with the kind of people who can't see what and who lies between those extremes. There's a textbook case for the Golden Rule if ever I came across one.

If the shoe fits. What I see happening on this forum is that a small number of individuals are trying to sheep-dog "libertarian opinion" towards certain, pre-determined "permitted" options... whoever the L-party candidate turns out to be, mainly. That's as Establishment as Establishment gets, it's the 2-party sleeper-hold, but with Libertarian-party pixie-dust sprinkled on it. I support Ron Paul. Doesn't mean who I think is the best realistic possibility for the good of liberty in this country is determined by their RP-compatibility scorecard. And in any case, if that were the measuring-stick, Trump is surely much closer to RP than Hillary would have been, or than Resident Biden is.

And since you seem to need coddling, no, I don't think you're "deranged" nor have I ever called you that. The TDS label is obviously rhetorical. Lighten up.

 

[ClaytonB]

here's your black jelly bean. open wide.

Buzz off, leftist.

 

[Cap]

By the way, your memes suck.

 

[acptulsa]

Lighten up.

You're not only giving massive benefit of the doubt to a man obviously complicit in the biggest mass murder since Stalin, you're calling everyone who questions that deranged and throwing out an occasional, oh, except you, later.

I don't care to lighten up. You like calling people deranged, I like calling people out. My feewings count for as much as yours. Maybe more, since mine are forged in the blood of people I loved.

 

[ClaytonB]

... obviously complicit in the biggest mass murder since Stalin

*sigh -- how many times do we have to re-tread the same ground? AFAICT (yes, I've watched the relevant clips), Trump's "support" for the vaxx jabs was as sincere as Willy Wonka stopping the brats from running into mischief in his factory...

Got any links to news stories of duped Trump supporters who wouldn't have gotten jabbed but for Trump's "support" for the Fauci-holocaust, and later died or had other complications from it? That's a sincere question since, if you actually have a case here, there should be a pretty sizable number of such individuals which Trump endangered by his exuberant support for the murder-vaxx which, by the way, pretty much all of MAGA was calling it at that time.

Or is it possible that the political enemies of the MAGA movement had calculated to put Trump on the horns of a dilemma with the masks and the murder-vaxx? "If he doesn't support it, we amp the numbers and pin every single death on his name, personally. If he does support it, we annihilate his reputation among his supporters for his betrayal of their cause." Is that a logical possibility or is that just Trump fanboi-ism in your book?

you're calling everyone who questions that deranged and throwing out an occasional, oh, except you, later.

At this point, it's obvious that you keep conflating me with others on this forum. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've used the TDS label here.

I don't care to lighten up. You like calling people deranged, I like calling people out. My feewings count for as much as yours. Maybe more, since mine are forged in the blood of people I loved.

Don't start comparing crosses, that's a game for fools only and I won't participate, for your own good.

 

[ClaytonB]

By the way, your memes suck.

OK, part-timer...

 

[Cap]

I rest my case.