Trump did not visit Epstein homes or island, no contact with underage girls

[vita3]

Clayton doesn’t want to go after the specific child molestors

Got it.

 

[ClaytonB]

Clayton doesn’t want to go after the specific child molestors

Got it.

If you're so right on this, why put words in my mouth? Read the thread, I just stated a few posts above, if Trump is legally guilty of a crime in the matter of Epstein, etc. send him up for life. If not, then what is he guilty of except being rich and rubbing shoulders with rich scumbags? And if the same amount of focus is applied to the other names we know have actually been to Epstein's Island/home/etc. (Clinton, Gates, and so on), who else should we be sending to prison? I'm not advocating for any exceptional treatment of Trump on any basis. But the OP transcripts give testimony that directly contradicts the suggestion that Trump was partying on the island or in any of Epstein's residences. Based on various factors, it appears that this is not true of Clinton, Gates, etc. Yet we never hear a peep about them from the MSMBS. I wonder why that is...

 

[TheCount]

I understand the plot narrative. It surely would make for a believable and interesting TV series, like House of Cards. But narrative-plausibility is not truth. In the case of the Epstein Island situation, the question is whether Trump in fact (legally) committed any sort of crime in that connection. If he did, send him away forever. But if not, then this is all just narrative and propaganda. And if we consistently apply that obvious standard of basic justice to all the John Does in this case, then we have something resembling justice. Not that I'm holding my breath, since our INjustice system is manifestly corrupt and rotten to the very core.

What narrative and propaganda? He's not being charged or accused of anything.

It's just all very funny because certain groups of people have been hyping all the Epstein documents for years but now have to downplay them instead because their special boy is on their naughty list.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Got Epstein arrested both times, never had blackmail come out in retaliation.
Kicked him out of his club.
Was the only one who helped the lawyers for the victims.
Warned people that Epstein "liked them young".

Go ahead and feed those facts into your TDS.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You know your screwed when a good amount of folks believe Trump should be President just because he is NOT a child molestor

Rather see the focus right now on the child molesters & seeing if any actions can be taken to cancel them & serious pursuit of criminal cases

I think it would be nice to elect someone who isn't for once.
And there are many other reasons to vote for him.

 

[acptulsa]

And there are many other reasons to vote for him.

Lots and lots. For example, someone might own Pfizer stock. Or someone might own Moderna stock. A person could own J&J stock. Or they might be a BioNTech insider.

There's four very good reasons right there!

 

[fisharmor]

Lots and lots. For example, someone might own Pfizer stock. Or someone might own Moderna stock. A person could own J&J stock. Or they might be a BioNTech insider.

There's four very good reasons right there!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

There are two types here - one that remembers one or two of the principles this site was created on, and Trump voters.

 

[ClaytonB]

Got Epstein arrested both times, never had blackmail come out in retaliation.
Kicked him out of his club.
Was the only one who helped the lawyers for the victims.
Warned people that Epstein "liked them young".

Go ahead and feed those facts into your TDS.

+1

The truth hurts.

 

[Cap]

[/COLOR]There are two types here - one that remembers one or two of the principles this site was created on, and Trump voters.

It's almost like guerilla warfare, where this site was invaded and attacked for the ideas that the were taking hold during and after Ron's 08 and 12 prez runs. I'm happy to see there are some of defenders of Ron's ideas still hanging out here.

 

[ClaytonB]

[/COLOR]There are two types here - one that remembers one or two of the principles this site was created on, and Trump voters.

I fit in neither category. I don't "believe in" Trump but I don't have TDS either. While I enthusiastically support the classical American values which Ron Paul spent his political career standing up for, and I respect him for that important work, the objective fact is that Ron Paul was not able to build enough political momentum to take POTUS or build a big enough coalition in Congress to change things. Once again, that does not take away from his enormously important contributions to liberty in America, but there is a missing ingredient. What Trump lacks in philosophical purity, he makes up for in mass political energization. In the case of standard RINO fare, we only have a choice among neoCONs. Trump is anathema to the neoCONs and now we know why: because he was not going to start any new wars for them, and was even drawing down troops in existing needless overseas conflicts that we have no business being entangled in. Is Trump "the answer" in 2024? I don't know, we'll just have to see how it plays out, but he certainly hasn't DQ'd himself to this point if for no other reason than that he has proven he will stand up to the neoCON/MIC and send them packing. I will take more neoCON screeching any time I can get it, whether from Trump or anyone else on the ticket who can actually deliver...

 

[Cap]

It's pretty self evident who the usurpers of liberty are.

 

[Cap]

I fit in neither category. I don't "believe in" Trump but I don't have TDS either. While I enthusiastically support the classical American values which Ron Paul spent his political career standing up for, and I respect him for that important work, the objective fact is that Ron Paul was not able to build enough political momentum to take POTUS or build a big enough coalition in Congress to change things. Once again, that does not take away from his enormously important contributions to liberty in America, but there is a missing ingredient. What Trump lacks in philosophical purity, he makes up for in mass political energization. In the case of standard RINO fare, we only have a choice among neoCONs. Trump is anathema to the neoCONs and now we know why: because he was not going to start any new wars for them, and was even drawing down troops in existing needless overseas conflicts that we have no business being entangled in. Is Trump "the answer" in 2024? I don't know, we'll just have to see how it plays out, but he certainly hasn't DQ'd himself to this point if for no other reason than that he has proven he will stand up to the neoCON/MIC and send them packing. I will take more neoCON screeching any time I can get it, whether from Trump or anyone else on the ticket who can actually deliver...

Yeah, watering down liberty with orange piss will work.

 

[acptulsa]

I fit in neither category. I don't "believe in" Trump but I don't have TDS either.

You certainly have plenty of whatever that is which makes someone blather on about TDS, like it makes him sound cool enough to get laid.

While I enthusiastically support the classical American values which Ron Paul spent his political career standing up for, and I respect him for that important work, the objective fact is that Ron Paul was not able to build enough political momentum to take POTUS or build a big enough coalition in Congress to change things. Once again, that does not take away from his enormously important contributions to liberty in America, but there is a missing ingredient...

.. a bunch of bribe takers in Congress to help you get the deficit spending passed, and a gazillion dollars' worth of free "he's a bad, bad boy" hand wringing publicity.

 

[ClaytonB]

You certainly have plenty of whatever that is which makes someone blather on about TDS, like it makes him sound cool enough to get laid.

I don't care about TDS and the only occasions I have to mention it is when it bursts onto this forum or wherever due to the copious amounts of actually-existing TDS. And as a father of two, I leave my sex-life out of politics...

.. a bunch of bribe takers in Congress to help you get the deficit spending passed, and a gazillion dollars' worth of free "he's a bad, bad boy" hand wringing publicity.

Yeah, well, we really do live in Idiocracy. President Camacho may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but he does pardon the guy who put water on the plants instead of Brawndo. Baby-steps for baby-minds...

 

[acptulsa]

Yeah, well, we really do live in Idiocracy.

Doesn't mean we have to pretend that any of the Official Navigators (easy to spot, now that there's a Viewscreen in every restaurant) have any intention of steering a course we want to travel.

He Who Must Be Named is no friend of mine. He proved it. I've been to the funerals, and I no longer care to suffer the ship of fools gladly.

Yeah, well...

 

[ClaytonB]

Yeah, watering down liberty with orange piss will work.

I didn't invent this stupid game we call American politics. I once thought I understood it and when I woke up, I realized I had just voted for a war-mongering RINO neoCON with the middle-initial W. Not making that mistake ever again. If we had the option to get a Ron Paul-equivalent into POTUS, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat. But ideological purity absent real political momentum is pointless. The 2-party Clowns are right about that part... (it's the only thing they're right about). I wish Trump had the political momentum he has plus the ideological purity of Ron Paul. But he's not a neoCON and nobody has given credible evidence of the criminal sexual misconduct with minors, etc. Yes, that's a low-bar, but as I said in the previous post, we're literally living in Idiocracy. President Camacho is as good as it's going to get around here, for the foreseeable future. The real change we need will have to happen in people's hearts, so if you're serious about seeing real change, then start preaching the Gospel, because that's the only thing that can cause real and lasting change. Everything else is just a temporary band-aid, and not even a good one.

 

[ClaytonB]

Doesn't mean we have to pretend that any of the Official Navigators (easy to spot, now that there's a Viewscreen in every restaurant) have any intention of steering a course we want to travel.

He Who Must Be Named is no friend of mine. He proved it. I've been to the funerals, and I no longer care to suffer the ship of fools gladly.

Yeah, well...

As I've continued to say, for how many years now, if Trump is nefarious, it will be proved out. You've reached your limit. I haven't. If he really is as bad as all that, then he surely will reach my limit soon enough. We don't gotta have a Jack Sparrow / Barbossa duel over it...

 

[acptulsa]

Baby-steps for baby-minds...

Unless I'm very much mistaken, I've been watching them baby-step us into tyranny since before you were born. The good Lord knows you can hold the line, or you can be a part of the problem. Never found a third way. Turn a blind eye to the obvious problems, hold your nose and send a message. Vote red even if he wants babies dead (to "send a message", remember H. W?) and pretend like you're slowing the devil's march to victory.

The good Lord knows how fucking tired I am of it.

TDS. Yeah, buddy. That's what this is. You betcha. Grow up.

Last I checked, when Sparrow and Barbarossa tangled, the director yelled cut and the stuntmen all stood up. Well, I know a few of Trump's stunt people who won't be standing again until the Reckoning. Grow up. Johnny Depp you ain't.

Does he or doesn't he comb it over a bald spot the size of Nebraska? Did he or didn't he sample the fresh whores d'oeuvres on Epstein's jet? Lord, save us from the distraction of the minutiae and teach us how to stand up against humans being used as guinea pigs.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You're overthinking this. I'm not envious of anyone.

Trump and his fellators are the outraged ones who claim that he's unfairly disadvantaged by an unfair justice system which is biased against him. That is the exact opposite of the truth. He has been advantaged his entire life. He is confused and dismayed by being held to account because that is a new and unusual thing for him.

Saying the exact opposite of the truth in order to muddy the situation is a common tactic of his.

So you are saying that Ron Paul is a “Trump fellator”?

At the 1:50 mark, Ron Paul talks about the distinction and distortions between a Republic and Democracy, and how the promoters of "Democracy" are undermining democracy by treating Trump in an "ugly, unfair, deceitful manner" with one person able to "kick him off the ballot".

 

[acptulsa]

He refuses to this day to stop endorsing a medical experiment so deadly Mengele would cream his trousers. Let's reelect him because the media pretends to dislike him 24/7. Let's tell ourselves that the people who take issue with having their currency destroyed so Pfizer can take the hit and hire the lawyers (so Bill Gates doesn't have to) have something wrong with them. We can make up a third grade playground insult, then use a three letter acronym for it so we sound all grown up.