Trump declines to correct man who says Obama is Muslim

[nikcers]

So you are saying:
On the same-sex issue, I was not expressing my own view as you seem to have incorrectly assumed, I was paraphrasing views of some of the most prominent Christians in the US

So are you saying we shouldn't generalize the thoughts and motives of an entire group of people because people because most people even ones that associate themselves in tribes like Christian, Muslim, or even Republican or Democrat, disagree on more things than they agree on??

 

[navy-vet]

So you are saying:

- Those who condone slaughter of babies inside the womb are opposite of Christian.

- Those who condone slaughter of babies outside the womb are opposite of Christian cannot be judged because who knows what is in their hearts.

Truly splendid double standard.

On the same-sex issue, I was not expressing my own view as you seem to have incorrectly assumed, I was paraphrasing views of some of the most prominent Christians in the US.

Falwell Suggests Gays to Blame for Attacks - ABC News
abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121322
Trapped in San Francisco, away from her partner and children in the nation's capital, Elizabeth Birch, a prominent spokeswoman for gay and lesbian causes, ...


Falwell: blame abortionists, feminists and gays - The Guardian
www.theguardian.com › World › September 11 2001The Guardian

You seem to have separated gays from abortionists in your definition of Christianity as opposed to that of Falwell and others.. perhaps there are many different definitions of "true Christians" out there.

No, I was speaking metaphorically and not at you personally. I assumed you were, like myself, speaking from the third person point of view. I also don't envision that the truest Christian advocates the slaughter of any life, whether it's within or out side of the womb. You have your view and I have mine. And I feel that I have as much right to express them as you do.
Incidentally, when I think of examples, I don't think of Jerry Falwell or Oral Roberts, or any of those evangelicals, but I am not the one to exclude them either.

 

[navy-vet]

To be clear, I was responding to what Hoax said.
But, you and I do agree on one thing.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Ok, my fault in mistaking your post as reply to mine. No worries, and agreed that we have to respect the right of everyone to express one's views .. you and myself included. And sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Media still doesn't get that Trump isn't a cuck and that every time they try to attack him with stuff like this it only makes him more popular.

 

[Hoax]

To be clear, I was responding to what Hoax said.
But, you and I do agree on one thing.

Oh I guess I should respond then. I never claimed to be a mind reader: when you act on your impulses you shouldn't be surprised when you are judged accordingly. It also would be nice if you didn't blatantly attempt to misappropriate scripture in order to preemptively put people on the defensive when they notice and mention your behavior.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Who cares if hes a Muslim, Christian or Atheist?

Vast majority of Americans who supported Iraq invasion care very much.

Onward Christian Military Chaplains! Marching to War
An astonishing 87 percent of all white evangelical Christians in the United States supported the president’s decision in April 2003.” Marsh explained, “The war sermons rallied the evangelical congregations behind the invasion of Iraq.” He stated that evangelists like Franklin Graham and Marvin Olasky “claim[ed] that the American invasion of Iraq would create exciting new prospects for proselytizing Muslims.” (“Wayward Christian Soldiers,” Jan. 20, 2006)

I think he lies all the time....and I am now thinking he just might be.....

That is quite possible.



In related news, Trump now suggests that America already has had First Muslim President.
That very well may be a very therapeutic belief for all those who supported/support Iraq war, oppressions in mideast. Currently 54% of GOP believes US has its first Muslim President in Obama, if 70-80% came to have such a belief.. it would have serious discouraging impact on future interventions in mideast.

Trump Suggests Obama Is Our First Muslim President

by Judd Legum

Sep 20, 2015 10:34am
Appearing via phone on several Sunday morning news broadcasts, Trump was pressed on his response to an anti-Muslim supporter in New Hampshire. The man told Trump that Obama was not born in America and a problem. “We need this question,” Trump responded.

On Meet The Press, Chuck Todd asked Trump is he’d be comfortable with a Muslim president. Trump allowed that it was possible to have a Muslim president but refused to say whether he’d be OK with it. He then suggested that Obama himself was a Muslim.

CHUCK TODD: Can you imagine supporting or being comfortable if a Muslim ever became president of the United States?

DONALD TRUMP: I can say that, you know, it’s something that at some point could happen. We’ll see. You know, it’s something that could happen. Would I be comfortable? I don’t know if we have to address it right now. But I think it is certainly something that could happen.

TODD: You said you’d have no problem putting a Muslim in the–
TRUMP: I mean, some people have said it already happened, frankly. But of course you wouldn’t agree with that. And I–
TODD: Well, no…

​

Pressed on whether Obama was a Christian, Trump said that he didn’t “talk about people’s faith.” He then allowed that he was “willing to take [Obama] at his word” regarding his religion.
But asked on ABC’s This Week on whether Obama was a Christian, Trump refused to answer the question. He also, on both broadcasts, refused to say whether Obama was born in the United States.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...ic-comments-trump-suggests-obama-is-a-muslim/

 

[RPES1]

Vast majority of Americans who supported Iraq invasion care very much.

Onward Christian Military Chaplains! Marching to War
An astonishing 87 percent of all white evangelical Christians in the United States supported the president’s decision in April 2003.” Marsh explained, “The war sermons rallied the evangelical congregations behind the invasion of Iraq.” He stated that evangelists like Franklin Graham and Marvin Olasky “claim[ed] that the American invasion of Iraq would create exciting new prospects for proselytizing Muslims.” (“Wayward Christian Soldiers,” Jan. 20, 2006)
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It's more of the fact that they shouldn't care.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

It's more of the fact that they shouldn't care.

And they shouldn't support wars based on lies and shouldn't elect politicians who tell them lies.

What you stated is an opinion though, the fact is that they do care deeply. At this stage, it very well may be a very therapeutic belief for them.

 

[RPES1]

And they shouldn't support wars based on lies and shouldn't elect politicians who tell them lies.

What you stated is an opinion though, the fact is that they do care deeply. At this stage, it very well may be a very therapeutic belief for them.

So evangelicals single out a few bad apples and then hate everyone who is a Muslim just because they are Muslim. Do you agree with that? Do you think that anyone should agree with that?

Not all Muslims are bad people so it makes no sense to hate them for their religious views. Then we have the bad apples in Christianity where the asshole Televangelists steal peoples money and get a free pass. Or the Catholics that touch little boys and everything goes on as if nothing happened.

My point is there are bad apples everywhere in any group of people. Don't single an entire group of people out because of a few assholes. But, I guess it is my opinion but its an opinion that everyone that isn't a nut-job should agree with.

 

[nikcers]

the bad apples in Christianity

So what you are saying is just because one apple will kill you doesn't mean all apples will kill you? How am I supposed know which apples will kill me? Shouldn't someone tell me what apples I am able to eat and what ones that I can't? Fine, well if you're not going to tell me then I'm just going to think all apples will kill me.

 

[RPES1]

So what you are saying is just because one apple will kill you doesn't mean all apples will kill you? How am I supposed know which apples will kill me? Shouldn't someone tell me what apples I am able to eat and what ones that I can't? Fine, well if you're not going to tell me then I'm just going to think all apples will kill me.

You act as if a Christian man/women has never killed anyone innocent before. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

So evangelicals single out a few bad apples and then hate everyone who is a Muslim just because they are Muslim. Do you agree with that? Do you think that anyone should agree with that?

I don't agree with collectivist thinking.
I'm observing that there is upside in majority of Iraq war supporters/Christian evangelicals now believing that America is being run by a muslim Obama as a result spreading freedom in Iraq. I believe that for them such a belief would be very therapeutic.

 

[navy-vet]

Oh I guess I should respond then. I never claimed to be a mind reader: when you act on your impulses you shouldn't be surprised when you are judged accordingly. It also would be nice if you didn't blatantly attempt to misappropriate scripture in order to preemptively put people on the defensive when they notice and mention your behavior.

 

[devil21]

Poor baby. I downvote posts with disinformation, misinformation, and stupid bullshit. Stop posting those things if you don't like it.

Stop posting the truth that the modern Catholic Church, through Jesuit agents implanted throughout the world are the actual "owners" of the planet? Naaa I think I'll keep on posting that. Maybe I'll start including the part where Khazars have infiltrated and subverted the Catholic Church, the British throne and other powerful organizations. I'll really enjoy watching your head explode as you realize that your beloved Pope is a Khazar crypto-Jew, not a Catholic.

Ain't real history fun?

 

[enhanced_deficit]

I would have to agree with Trump here. This is a no brainer.

"I will be great (for Christians)"..

Trump is so humble.

 

[erowe1]

"I will be great (for Christians)"..

Trump is so humble.

His approach really is surreal. What he's doing is exactly the same thing he has succeeded at in promoting his business ventures. It's the kind of showmanship he talks about in his book, like where he says he brings lots of superfluous construction equipment to his job sites to make it look like more is going on than really is. He's so transparent, the most casual observer can see he's taking people for a ride. Yet it's still working.

 

[Sola_Fide]

he line that exists between being a black liberation theologian and a member of the Nation of Islam is actually extremely blurry, and it's not uncommon for people to play musical chairs between being a member of the Nation of Islam and being some sort of radical "Christian" pastor that dabbles in communism or some other form of left-wing politics, particularly the UCC given that congregationalist churches don't have checks and balances against tyrannical pastors both locally or via outer terms of communion. Granted, when people think of Obama actually being a Muslim they are thinking more along the lines of the more orthodox kind in North Africa, which is a bit different than the Nation of Islam in terms of doctrine and politics.

I don't know for certain that Obama is himself a Muslim or not, and it's pretty difficult to be certain. However, one thing that I am pretty confident in saying is that given his really terrible grasp of systematic theology and his occasional mockery of specific parts of the synoptic gospels that he is either an agnostic, or at the very least, leaning in more of a liberal theological direction. I don't think Christopher Hitchens was too off based when suggesting that Obama is probably an unbeliever, at least insofar as Christian orthodoxy is concerned.

True.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

The line that exists between being a black liberation theologian and a member of the Nation of Islam is actually extremely blurry, and it's not uncommon for people to play musical chairs between being a member of the Nation of Islam and being some sort of radical "Christian" pastor that dabbles in communism or some other form of left-wing politics, particularly the UCC given that congregationalist churches don't have checks and balances against tyrannical pastors both locally or via outer terms of communion. Granted, when people think of Obama actually being a Muslim they are thinking more along the lines of the more orthodox kind in North Africa, which is a bit different than the Nation of Islam in terms of doctrine and politics.

I don't know for certain that Obama is himself a Muslim or not, and it's pretty difficult to be certain. However, one thing that I am pretty confident in saying is that given his really terrible grasp of systematic theology and his occasional mockery of specific parts of the synoptic gospels that he is either an agnostic, or at the very least, leaning in more of a liberal theological direction. I don't think Christopher Hitchens was too off based when suggesting that Obama is probably an unbeliever, at least insofar as Christian orthodoxy is concerned.

To be fair, Obama is no longer tight with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and has not invited him to White House even a single time for any Paryer Breakfast.

Louis Farrakhan backs Obama for president at Nation of Islam convention in Chicago

... Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the "hope of the entire world" that the U.S. will change for the better.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...rrakhan-senator-obama-saviours-day-convention



Monday, Apr 27, 2015 06:59 PM EDT
Louis Farrakhan, rising: With rap’s superstars at his side, the Nation of Islam leader steps forward in the new fight for civil rights

Rappers disenchanted with Obama and impatient with feuding West and Dyson are turning to Farrakhan for leadership


Kanye West, Louis Farrakhan, Jay Z
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/27/lou...ps_forward_in_the_new_fight_for_civil_rights/

His approach really is surreal. What he's doing is exactly the same thing he has succeeded at in promoting his business ventures. It's the kind of showmanship he talks about in his book, like where he says he brings lots of superfluous construction equipment to his job sites to make it look like more is going on than really is. He's so transparent, the most casual observer can see he's taking people for a ride. Yet it's still working.

Excellent observation.

 

[LibertyEagle]

When "putting your own country first" means "bombing and/or deporting brown people for no discernible reason," yes, it is.

If they broke our immigration laws, there is your reason.