Trump claims neither war (Ukraine, Israel) would have happened if he were Potus..

[TheCount]

So basically you're saying what I said is technically incorrect, but also you are admitting that Trump is correct.

No to both.

 

[TheCount]

Iran has been at war with us since their revolution

Fucks sake, read a book.

If anything it's the complete opposite of that. We sanctioned them because they kicked out our favorite dictator, then repeatedly tried to overthrow their government over the course of a few decades.

You might as well say that Cuba has been at war with us, it's the exact same situation.

and both O'Bummer and Brandon gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

Only in a Wormtongue world where words have no meaning.

The enemy gave aid and guidance to its proxies to attack Israel and us.

Yes, definitely.

Both also just directly gave money to Hamas and proxies of Hamas, Trump had cut off aid to them.

What aid did Trump cut off to Hamas?

Also, what proxies does Hamas have?

Ukraine wouldn't have happened because Trump would not have allowed Ukraine to provoke Russia.

Trump sent more weapons and aid to Ukraine than either Obama or Biden did preinvasion.

If that's the cause of the provocation, then Trump was the one who provoked Russia.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not surprised that you don't remember that I considered both impeachments hogwash because I didn't consider what Trump did to amount to anything at all, because you were too busy foaming at the mouth over Justin Amash at the time in a Nixonian loyalty fit. But I didn't think a phone call inquiring about whether something was ongoing amounted to anything at all then, when that was your position too. And I don't think it amounted to anything now, while you seem to be claiming Trump exposed everything single-handed, right down to buying that second hand laptop.

Trump was exposing Ukrainian corruption, he would have gone farther if the left didn't tie him up in an impeachment for it.

You can drag in all the irrelevancies you want and it won't help.

 

[acptulsa]

Trump sent more weapons and aid to Ukraine than either Obama or Biden did preinvasion.

If that's the cause of the provocation, then Trump was the one who provoked Russia.

Are you trying to confuse him with genuine, proven facts?

Won't work. He has made up his mind.

 

[Swordsmyth]

$#@!s sake, read a book.

If anything it's the complete opposite of that. We sanctioned them because they kicked out our favorite dictator, then repeatedly tried to overthrow their government over the course of a few decades.

You might as well say that Cuba has been at war with us, it's the exact same situation.

In a war both sides are at war, it takes two to war.
The cause of the war doesn't matter because they will not make peace.
It's the same thing for Cuba.
The causes of the two wars are complicated and neither side is "the good guy".

Yes, definitely.

Strange that you now admit what you had denied.

What aid did Trump cut off to Hamas?

Also, what proxies does Hamas have?

US stops all aid to Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47095082


Israel shares evidence of UNRWA employees involvement in Oct. 7


https://jewishinsider.com/2024/03/hagari-erdan-united-nations-israel-hamas/

Trump sent more weapons and aid to Ukraine than either Obama or Biden did preinvasion.

If that's the cause of the provocation, then Trump was the one who provoked Russia.

Weapons were not the provocation.
The push to get them into NATO and to use them to retake Crimea was the provocation.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Are you trying to confuse him with genuine, proven facts?

Won't work. He has made up his mind.

He's using his and your favorite tactic of changing the subject using irrelevancies.

 

[TheCount]

In a war both sides are at war, it takes two to war.
The cause of the war doesn't matter because they will not make peace.
It's the same thing for Cuba.
The causes of the two wars are complicated and neither side is "the good guy".

This is how you think that everyone is everyone's enemy and everyone's at war. Seems ridiculous.

Strange that you now admit what you had denied.

Strange that you are now making shit up.

Wait no,that's not strange, it's the norm.

US stops all aid to Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47095082

Israel shares evidence of UNRWA employees involvement in Oct. 7

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/03/hagari-erdan-united-nations-israel-hamas/

Collectivists gonna collectivize.

By that logic, you support the IDF.

Weapons were not the provocation.
The push to get them into NATO and to use them to retake Crimea was the provocation.

Things that never happened.

 

[acptulsa]

He's using his and your favorite tactic of changing the subject using irrelevancies.

Got examples of me doing that? Or even of the straw man you like to slap my name on doing it?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Got examples of me doing that? Or even of the straw man you like to slap my name on doing it?

Me: What about RFK's CIA campaign manager? (Not a whistleblower)

You: Not all CIA are bad, what about whistleblowers like Snowden?


Me: Look at this testimony about Pedos in Government

You: Don't Lynch people


There's lots more but that's enough and it's not worth my time.

 

[Swordsmyth]

This is how you think that everyone is everyone's enemy and everyone's at war. Seems ridiculous.

LOL
I never said that.
But both Iran and Cuba have committed acts of war against us, continue to do so, and have never made peace.

Collectivists gonna collectivize.

By that logic, you support the IDF.

Right, it's collectivizing to show that Trump cut aid to the Hamas government in Gaza that pays the terrorists and to the UN aid agency that gives them aid, including some members participating in terrorist attacks.
Right.

And I have never done a thing for the IDF, I have repeatedly said we should stay out of it.
But just keep bloviating nonsense, I want people to see it.

Things that never happened.

Things that very much happened.

 

[acptulsa]

Me: What about RFK's CIA campaign manager? (Not a whistleblower)

You: Not all CIA are bad, what about whistleblowers like Snowden?

I was talking about ex-CIA employees, and never said or implied Snowden was anything but ex-NSA. Your refusal to deal with reality keeps putting you in the position of making libelous statements. You always seem to have time to lie about people.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I was talking about ex-CIA employees, and never said or implied Snowden was anything but ex-NSA. Your refusal to deal with reality keeps putting you in the position of making libelous statements. You always seem to have time to lie about people.

Whether Snowden was CIA or NSA was never the point, nor did I say he was one or the other or that you said he was one or the other.
He's a whistleblower that you used as an example of a whistleblower to imply that it was possible that RFK's campaign manager might be good even though she's CIA. (ignoring the fact she's not a whistleblower)

 

[acptulsa]

It seems that bloviating and excuse making is always worth your time.

 

[Occam's Banana]

On the contrary, those things are all as American as apple pie.

H.L. Mencken made numerous trenchant observations on this theme.

Speak of the devil:

https://twitter.com/oldbooksguy/status/1765050653267701878

https://twitter.com/oldbooksguy/status/1765050653267701878
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{Jash Dholani @oldbooksguy | 05 March 2024}

H.L. Mencken hated modernity, opposed the New Deal, and was against American entry into WW-II

His productivity was legendary: he wrote more than 10 million words over his lifetime...

Mencken's most powerful idea:

Democracy is not a solution but a PROBLEM.

1/ Early democrats didn’t care for “the democratic ideal” at all

They had “highly materialistic” demands instead: “more to eat, less work, higher wages, lower taxes”

The masses didn’t wish to “exterminate the baron” but only to make him fulfill his “baronial” duties

2/ Mencken on the French Revolution:

“The Paris proletariat, having been misled into killing its King in 1793, devoted the next two years to killing those who had misled it - by the middle of 1796 it had another King…with an attendant herd of barons, counts, marquises, dukes”

3/ Today democracy presumes that the masses possess a “deep, illimitable reservoir of righteousness & wisdom” as they’re “unpolluted by the corruption of privilege”

Somehow “what baffles statesmen is to be solved by the people, instantly and by a sort of seraphic intuition”

4/ Democracy INTENSIFIES groupthink and group identity:

“Democratic man is quite unable to think of himself as a free individual; he must belong to a group, or shake with fear and loneliness—and the group, of course, must have its leaders.”

More groups mean more leaders...

5/ Democracies have the aristocracy of money - Mencken calls them “plutocrats”

But the plutocracy “lacks all the essential characters of a true aristocracy: a clean tradition, culture, public spirit, honesty, honor, courage—above all, courage. It is transient and lacks a goal.”

6/ The plutocrats lack “an aristocratic disinterestedness born of aristocratic security”

Democracies birth their intellectual apologists - Mencken calls them “pedagogues”

These are not genuine thinkers; they’re “men chiefly marked by their haunting fear of losing their jobs”

7/ The pedagogue's job is to ensure adherence to the latest law dreamt up by the mob or by the plutocrats

Mencken:

“The pedagogue, in the long run, shows the virtues of the Congressman, the newspaper editorial writer or the butler, not those of the aristocrat”

8/ Freud said we repress our sex drive as it’s frowned upon, but there’s nothing that democracy frowns upon more than a CLEAR proof of superiority...

Democracy says “the most worthy & laudable citizen is that one who is most like all the rest”

Hence we REPRESS our urge to excel

9/ This age demands we repress our greatness:

“A man who has throttled a bad impulse has at least some consolation in his agonies. But a man who has throttled a good one is in a bad way indeed. Yet this great Republic swarms with such men, & their sufferings are under every eye”

10/ Democracy lives on envy

Mencken:

“No doubt my distaste for democracy as a political theory is, like every other human prejudice, due to an inner lack—to a defect that is a good deal less in the theory than in myself. In this case it is very probably my incapacity for envy.”

11/ Mencken on the two worst crimes in a democracy:

“There is only one sound argument for democracy, and that is the argument that it is a crime for any man to hold himself out as better than other men, and, above all, a most heinous offense for him to prove it.”

12/ What Mencken admires:

“What I admire most in any man is a serene spirit, a steady freedom from moral indignation, an all-embracing tolerance-in brief, what is commonly called good sportsmanship”

But all he sees in democracy is DISTURBED spirits being intolerant of greatness

13/ Mencken:

“The democratic politician, confronted by the dishonesty and stupidity of his master, the mob, tries to convince himself and all the rest of us that it is really full of rectitude and wisdom.”

To gain power in a democracy, men sacrifice their self-respect

14/ Democracy is not friendly to truth as the mob prefers pliable lies to immovable facts

H.L. Mencken:

“Truth has a harshness that alarms them, and an air of finality that collides with their incurable romanticism.”

15/ If democrats are so sure they have the right answer, why do they abandon their “whole philosophy” and become “despots” at the “first sign of strain”?

Mencken:

“I need not point to what happens invariably in democratic states when the national safety is menaced”

16/ Mencken believed that over the long-term, democracy might cancel itself out:

“For all I know, democracy may be a self-limiting disease, as civilization itself seems to be. There are thumping paradoxes in its philosophy, and some of them have a suicidal smack”