Trump Calls For Amnesty

[r3volution 3.0]

Trump’s supporters loved his promise this week to create a “deportation force” to remove all 11 million illegal immigrants living in America, and his repeated declaration that everyone here illegally will “have to go.”

But his supporters tend to overlook is his other promise — repeated in Tuesday’s Fox Business debate — that under his immigration plan “they will come back.”

That’s right. Under Trump’s immigration plan almost all of 11 million illegal aliens (save for a small minority with criminal records) will get to return and get permanent legal status to stay here in America.

Trump supports amnesty.

On the Kelly File Thursday, Trump’s son Eric expressed frustration that the media overlooks this:

"The point isn’t just deporting them, it’s deporting them and letting them back in legally. He’s been so clear about that and I know the liberal media wants to misconstrue it, but its deporting them and letting them back legally."

Eric Trump is right. His father has been crystal clear that he wants all the illegals to return and live in America.

Listen closely to what Trump is actually proposing. In an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash earlier this year, Trump explained his plan this way:

"I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal…. A lot of these people are helping us … and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal."

This is a policy called “touchback” and it was first proposed in 2007 by moderate Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX). She offered a “touchback” amendment on the Senate floor that would have required illegal immigrants to return to their home countries to apply for a special “Z visa” that would allow them to reenter the United States in an expedited fashion and work here indefinitely.

Her amendment lost by a relatively close margin, 53-45. It was supported by most Republicans and even got five Democratic votes — Sens. Claire McCaskill, Max Baucus, Jon Tester, Byron Dorgan and John Rockefeller all voted for it.

The idea was considered so reasonable that in an April 22, 2007 editorial entitled “Progress on Immigration,” the New York Times declared:

"It’s not ideal, but if a touchback provision is manageable and reassures people that illegal immigrants are indeed going to the back of the line, then it will be defensible."

So what Trump is proposing today — sending illegal immigrants back to their home countries and then allowing the “good ones” to return in an “expedited” fashion — was endorsed by the liberal New York Times!

In fact, the idea even got the support of — wait for it — illegal immigrants.

In 2007, the Los Angeles Times did the first telephone poll of illegal immigrants and asked whether they would go home under a “touchback” law that allowed them to return with legal status. Sixty-three percent said yes, 27% said no and 10% were undecided. If they were promised a path to citizenship when they returned, the number who said they would leave and return legally grew to 85%.

Donald Trump’s detractors were aghast at his invocation during the Fox Business debate of President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback” which forcibly removed 1.5 million illegal immigrants, and his promise the following day to establish a “deportation force” to remove the 11 million illegal immigrants living in America today.

Never mind the fact that we already have a “deportation force” – it’s called US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

The fact is, Trump won’t need a “deportation force” or an “Operation Wetback” to get illegal immigrants to go home – because he has promised that they can return quickly with legal status.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants say they would voluntarily cooperate with Trump’s plan.

If anything, the “touchback” plan Trump endorses was attacked by conservatives back in 2007. In an editorial, National Review called touchback a “fraud” that gives illegal aliens “their own privileged pathway” ahead of “applicants who have complied with US immigration laws.”

That is precisely what Trump is proposing. Under his plan, illegal aliens don’t have to go to the end of the line behind those who have complied with our immigration laws. They get an “expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal.” They get to cut the line and then stay in America.

So if you get past Trump’s bluster, the plan he is proposing is so liberal that it earned the support of the New York Times and the opposition of National Review.

The reason is simple: Trump’s plan is in fact a form of amnesty — you just have to leave the country briefly to get it.

So when Trump says of illegal immigrants “they all have to go,” don’t overlook the fact that under his plan almost all would be able to immediately return – and stay.

This means there is very little difference between his plan and what John Kasich and Jeb Bush are supporting.

And most of his supporters don’t even realize it.

https://www.aei.org/publication/message-to-the-gop-trump-supports-amnesty/

 

[Origanalist]

Trumphumpers are such idiots, he's been saying this all along. Essentially the only thing that would change is government would get bigger. Hope and change baby.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump always talks about his big, beautiful door in his mammoth wall to welcome legal immigration. He really only talks negatively about illegal immigration. As a long time beneficiary of cheap foreign labor, it would not be a surprise for Trump to plan on huge amounts of increased legal immigration.

(It should be noted that the article in the OP is written by a well known, pro-war, pro-torture, establishment/neoconservative hit-man, and it was published at a neoconservative outlet. Open borders is generally supported by neoconservatives, so we must assume there are other reasons why they don't like Trump, the most likely being that they don't trust Trump on foreign policy.)

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Trump always talks about his big, beautiful door in his mammoth wall to welcome legal immigration. He really only talks negatively about illegal immigration. As a long time beneficiary of cheap foreign labor, it would not be a surprise for Trump to plan on huge amounts of increased legal immigration.

Yes, he really wants to punish those darned illegals.

...by kicking them all out, and then immediately letting almost all of them back in.

So then they're "legal" n stuff.

Tis a brilliant plan, will definitely Make America Great Again n stuff.

(It should be noted that the article in the OP is written by a well known, pro-war, pro-torture, establishment/neoconservative hit-man, and it was published at a neoconservative outlet. Open borders is generally supported by neoconservatives, so we must assume there are other reasons why they don't like Trump, the most likely being that they don't trust Trump on foreign policy.)

It doesn't matter if the author of the article is Joseph Stalin, there are direct quotes from Trump.

 

[nikcers]

Yeah even if he were to become elected, the left would paint him a fascist in the process. Maybe some will let themselves be "rounded up". All it takes is one to shoot back..I mean at this point you gotta assume a death toll and also how much money are you on this elite immigration task force? Is it another government agency that wont be held accountable? I mean this can't be the lesser of all evils right? You might as well offer to pay people a crap ton of money to leave and let the people who don't stay. I mean it worked for Zappos right?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Yeah even if he were to become elected, the left would paint him a fascist in the process. Maybe some will let themselves be "rounded up". All it takes is one to shoot back..I mean at this point you gotta assume a death toll and also how much money are you on this elite immigration task force? Is it another government agency that wont be held accountable? I mean this can't be the lesser of all evils right? You might as well offer to pay people a crap ton of money to leave and let the people who don't stay. I mean it worked for Zappos right?

The only thing Trump's asinine plan would achieve - even if it worked as intended - is the removal of illegals with criminal records, which is hardly worth the effort of deporting 10-20 million people. And, of course, it wouldn't work as intended - the illegals with the criminal record are precisely the ones who wouldn't comply. You'd spend billions deporting all those innocent people for nothing. It makes infinitely more sense to just deport the criminals, as they're caught in the course of normal policing, and give the non-criminals a work visa right now, without going through the pointless and expensive formality of having them leave and then reenter the country.

But these are just thoughts.

...Trumpanzee don't like thoughts

...thoughts are for cucks or sumptin

 

[The Northbreather]

It doesn't matter if the author of the article is Joseph Stalin, there are direct quotes from Trump.

I think B4L is just giving us some background to evaluate the motive of the author, which I appreciate.

It's alway a good idea to consider the source when you read or hear something.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I think B4L is just giving us some background to evaluate the motive of the author, which I appreciate.

It's always a good idea to consider the source when you read or hear something.

That's fine, and I wasn't necessarily criticism Brian.

...just pointing out for any lurkers (who may not have actually read the article) that the case doesn't rest on the author's credibility.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I can guarantee you Trump has never heard of "Touchback" or this proposed "Z Visa". This reporter is just talking out of his ass. Trump is for kicking the illegals out and then allowing them to apply legally to re-enter, just like anybody else. Because of the way the rules are set up, that effectively means many of them will be gone for good.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I can guarantee you Trump has never heard of "Touchback" or this proposed "Z Visa". This reporter is just talking out of his ass. Trump is for kicking the illegals out and then allowing them to apply legally to re-enter, just like anybody else. Because of the way the rules are set up, that effectively means many of them will be gone for good.

Full transcript of CNN interview cited on the OP

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1507/29/cg.01.html

BASH: Let's talk about immigration. You have said that, when it comes to the 11 million -- I'm -- we're not exactly sure how many are here.

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: Nobody knows.

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: Nobody knows.

BASH: They're illegal, undocumented. You have said that those who are criminals should be thrown out of the country. I think everyone pretty much, you know, would agree with you on that.

TRUMP: No, I don't think so. A lot of people think they should stay here.

BASH: OK. Well, let's just -- let's just -- for argument's sake, for argument's sake, let's just say you're president, you would do that.

(CROSSTALK)

BASH: What happens to the other people? What do you do?

(CROSSTALK)

BASH: Yes.

TRUMP: Right.

Number one, the first thing we would do is get the bad ones out. We have a lot of bad dudes, as I said. You have a lot of really bad people here. They're in our prisons and they're clogging up our prisons. I want them to go back, and not only Mexico. I want to get them back to the country where they -- and I want them to be in their prisons.

So, I want to get the bad ones out, not only the ones in the prisons -- and, by the way, and they're never coming back -- not only the ones in the prisons, but the ones that are going around like in San Francisco and shooting Kate, and shooting Jamiel, and shooting people that should not -- that should be with us. OK.

One, we have a law, right? You're supposed to come in legally. I would get people out and I would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country, so they can be legal. Let them be legal.

(CROSSTALK)

BASH: Let me just hold on that point right there, because when you say get people out, are you talking like a mass deportation?

TRUMP: We don't even know who these people are.

BASH: But how do you find them?

TRUMP: We have got to find them. BASH: But how do you do that?

(CROSSTALK)

BASH: You're a business guy.

TRUMP: Excuse me. We have got to find them.

BASH: But how?

TRUMP: Politicians are not going to find them, because they have no clue. We will find them. We will get them out.

BASH: When you say still get them out, just the process of that, there are a lot of smart people who have been focused on this for a long time say it's just not feasible.

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: It's feasible if you know how to manage. Politicians don't know how to manage.

We have to bring great people into this country. OK? And I want to bring -- I love the idea of immigration, but it's got to be legal immigration. Now, a lot of these people are helping us, whether it's the grapes or whether it's jobs. And sometimes it's jobs. In all fairness, I love our country, but sometimes it's jobs that a citizen of the United States doesn't even want to do.

There are jobs that a lot of people don't want to do. I want to move them out. I want to move them back in and let them be legal. But they have to be in here legally.

BASH: Legally like...

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: Excuse me. Otherwise, you don't have a country. You don't have a country. If people can just pour into the country illegally, you don't have a country. But I would expedite the system.

BASH: When you say legal, do you mean legal status or can they be eligible for citizenship?

TRUMP: Legal status.

BASH: No citizenship?

TRUMP: No citizenship.

We will see. Later down the line, who knows what is going to happen, but legal status.

(CROSSTALK)

BASH: So you're open to... (CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: It's something I would think about, but I would say, right now, no, I'm not open to it. I would say legal status.

BASH: What about the dreamers? What about people who came here when they were children, they didn't know what they were doing, they came with their parents who brought them here illegally? Now many of them are upstanding citizens.

We -- again, you're right. We don't know exactly how many people, but about maybe even 1.8 million people fall into this category. Should they be able to stay legally?

TRUMP: We're going to do something. I have been giving it so much thought.

You have -- on a humanitarian basis, you have a lot of deep thought going into this, believe me. I actually have a big heart, something that nobody knows. A lot of people don't understand that. But the dreamers, it's a tough situation. We're going to do something. And one of the things we are going to do is expedite. When someone is terrific, we want them back here.

[16:10:13]

BASH: Should they have to leave too?

TRUMP: But they have to be legally.

They're with their parents, it depends. But, look, it sounds cold, and it sounds hard. We have a country. Our country is going to hell. We have to have a system where people are legally in our country.

 

[RonPaulMall]

When someone is terrific, we want them back here.

And how many of these mostly Mexican immigrants do you think really classify as "terrific"? This is not a high achievement pool we are talking about here. The ones that are truly exceptional, I don't think anybody has a problem letting them back in quickly. That's what our immigration system should be- finding the truly exceptional people worldwide and letting them in while refusing entry to the riff raft.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

When someone is terrific, we want them back here.

And how many of these mostly Mexican immigrants do you think really classify as "terrific"? This is not a high achievement pool we are talking about here. The ones that are truly exceptional, I don't think anybody has a problem letting them back in quickly. That's what our immigration system should be- finding the truly exceptional people worldwide and letting them in while refusing entry to the riff raft.

That's you projecting your beliefs onto Trump - not what Trump is actually saying.

The only group he's said won't get back in are criminals (from the CNN interview):

Number one, the first thing we would do is get the bad ones out. We have a lot of bad dudes, as I said. You have a lot of really bad people here. They're in our prisons and they're clogging up our prisons. I want them to go back, and not only Mexico. I want to get them back to the country where they -- and I want them to be in their prisons.

So, I want to get the bad ones out, not only the ones in the prisons -- and, by the way, and they're never coming back -- not only the ones in the prisons, but the ones that are going around like in San Francisco and shooting Kate, and shooting Jamiel, and shooting people that should not -- that should be with us. OK.

He's praised unskilled immigrant labor as beneficial to the US economy - indicating that unskilled immigrants would count among the "terrific."

Now, a lot of these people are helping us, whether it's the grapes or whether it's jobs. And sometimes it's jobs. In all fairness, I love our country, but sometimes it's jobs that a citizen of the United States doesn't even want to do.

Here's his plan, in his own words, from his own website. Among other things, it talks about increasing fees on the millions of Mexican work visas issued every year.

Why does that matter? Because it implies that he's going to keep issuing those millions of visas (evidently those unskilled farm laborers "terrific" people).

Trump's plan is vague (not a good thing, btw), but all evidence suggests that he wants to let ALL illegals back in except those with criminal records.

Can you show me a single scrap of evidence to the contrary?

 

[Origanalist]

When someone is terrific, we want them back here.

And how many of these mostly Mexican immigrants do you think really classify as "terrific"? This is not a high achievement pool we are talking about here. The ones that are truly exceptional, I don't think anybody has a problem letting them back in quickly. That's what our immigration system should be- finding the truly exceptional people worldwide and letting them in while refusing entry to the riff raft.

 

[Origanalist]

When someone is terrific, we want them back here.

And how many of these mostly Mexican immigrants do you think really classify as "terrific"? This is not a high achievement pool we are talking about here. The ones that are truly exceptional, I don't think anybody has a problem letting them back in quickly. That's what our immigration system should be- finding the truly exceptional people worldwide and letting them in while refusing entry to the riff raft.

Are you really too stupid to be embarrassed?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Trump's plan is vague (not a good thing, btw), but all evidence suggests that he wants to let ALL illegals back in except those with criminal records.

He wants the illegals with criminal records out, with no option to get back in. He wants the illegals with no record out, but welcomes them to return by becoming naturalized citizens or residents following the existing legal immigration process. Asserting immigrant comply with the existing process is not amnesty (as it neither ignores the existing protocol, nor creates a "special" one to simply christen an illegal immigrants as being a legal one). Trump's concept is that it's the immigrant's responsibility to apply for lawful status, to change themselves from being non-American to American, not the government's.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

He wants the illegals with criminal records out, with no option to get back in. He wants the illegals with no record out, but welcomes them to return by becoming naturalized citizens or residents following the existing legal immigration process.

No, he wants a special, expedited process for them to return.

As I quoted earlier, from the CNN interview:

I would get people out and I would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country, so they can be legal. Let them be legal.

...

But the dreamers, it's a tough situation. We're going to do something. And one of the things we are going to do is expedite. When someone is terrific, we want them back here.

 

[Origanalist]

No, he wants a special, expedited process for them to return.

As I quoted earlier, from the CNN interview:

They are deranged. No longer able to reason.

 

[William Tell]

When someone is terrific, we want them back here.

And how many of these mostly Mexican immigrants do you think really classify as "terrific"? This is not a high achievement pool we are talking about here. The ones that are truly exceptional, I don't think anybody has a problem letting them back in quickly. That's what our immigration system should be- finding the truly exceptional people worldwide and letting them in while refusing entry to the riff raft.

So, basically Donald is going to make America great again?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

So, basically Donald is going to make America great again?

 

[Origanalist]