Trump: Block ALL Muslim immigration

[jmdrake]

No, you don't understand. Under sharia law, nonbelievers must be forced to pay a certain tax.

No. You don't understand. Under the Torah non believers could be killed or enslaved.

Nonbelievers must be governed according to the Muslim belief system. So for example, let's say a woman doesn't want to have anything to do with your Sharia, and she walks outside without her headscarf. Muslim or not, bad things are going to happen to her.

Not sure if serious or trolling. Say if a woman who practices Wicca walks by and doesn't want to have anything to do with your Torah (and I don't have Sharia dufs). Jew or not bad things could happen to her.

Further look at your own OP!

51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah."

So you twisted the poll to something that it didn't say. It doesn't say "51% of those polled agreed that Muslims should be able to force Sharia on non Muslims." Maybe that's true, but that's not what the poll said.

In this way it's an aggressive belief system. In that it actively imposes itself on those who just want to be left alone

As does the Torah. Again have you never actually read it? It applied to non Jews. It doesn't say "You shalt not suffer a witch to live....unless she's not a Hebrew."

And again, if two Muslims wish to contract to be governed by sharia law, as long as that law doesn't conflict with U.S. law, that should be a problem. It's called freedom of contract.

 

[jmdrake]

This hasn't confirmed anything, he is just playing one to hurt the republicans. The man's beloved daughter is married to a Jewish man, his grandchildren would be jewish and he has no problem with this as a white nationalist?. The fact is that he is a very tolerant Northeastern liberal man who has been recruited to play spoiler in the republican primaries.

No way no how is he a white Nationalist.

^This. Trump is a modern George C. Wallace. Wallace wasn't really a segregationist or a racist. He was a progressive that used race politics to get elected.

 

[jmdrake]

Immigrants from hostile countries doesn't equal muslims.

I'm actually for temporalily halting immigration from hostile countries. But there is no practicable way to determine who is a Muslim and ban them.

If Al-Baghdadi shows up on the border with a cross and a bible we let him in right?

LOL

 

[kahless]

Where in Rand's policy does he want to take large swaths of land from a sovereign nation and use it to build camps for thousands and thousands of refugees? Also where has Rand said he's gonna make Jeb build a wall, make Mexico pay for it even though he's going to grant amnesty for the 30 million illegals now in the US?

That's why the resident Trump promoters on RPFs try to conflate Trumps "immigration policy" with Rand's. Where Rand's position is that the issue is within a certain subset of radical Islam, Trump is attracting people who believe all of Islam is inherently violent. That position is impossible to defend from the general electorate. For some reason, they try and sell it to Rand supporters by saying Trump's position is just like Rand's.

You are changing the topic. You are posting racist Trump memes of people that specifically have a problem with Trump's immigration policies. If these organizations have a problem with Trump's immigration policies no doubt they are going to have the same problem with Rand's. Just look at the similarities that would be relevant.

Rand came out today for banning all immigration from Middle Eastern countries. Trump came out in favor of banning all Muslim immigration.
Both are for ending birth right citizenship.
Both are for securing the border and building a fence along the Mexican border.
Both have called for an end of sanctuary cities.
Trump amnesty after deportation.
Rand pathway to citizenship.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

The BIGGEST news story! This is a potential campaign killer if he plays it wrong. Expect to see this one in the debates.

What's going to sell it for him though, is the Democrat's ludicrous response. I mean just look at this nonsense! (Descending order of madness):

I predict he toughs it out just like he did with his "Mexicans" comment, and his poll numbers go up.

Hillary might be bigger but more nuanced demagogue than Trump.

[h=1]What are political implications of two birthers leading GOP race?[/h]

Hillary Attacked Trump For Letting ‘Obama’s A Muslim’ Comments Go. Then This Photo Surfaced…
Clinton campaign released a picture of Barack Obama in a turban during a 2006 visit to Kenya, apparently to encourage the rumors about his connections to Islam.

Monday 25 February 2008 16.50 EST
Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...hillaryclinton

 

[CPUd]

You are changing the topic. You are posting racist Trump memes of people that specifically have a problem with Trump's immigration policies. If these organizations have a problem with Trump's immigration policies no doubt they are going to have the same problem with Rand's. Just look at the similarities that would be relevant.

Rand came out today for banning all immigration from Middle Eastern countries. Trump came out in favor of banning all Muslim immigration.
Both are for ending birth right citizenship.
Both are for securing the border and building a fence along the Mexican border.
Both have called for an end of sanctuary cities.
Trump amnesty after deportation.
Rand pathway to citizenship.

LOL those are not similarities. Rand has never said he wants to ban people from the US based on religion. Trump also wants Jeb to build a wall (not a fence), then he is going to kick out the illegals just to let them come right back. Just the logistics of doing something like that will show the US citizens what a real police state looks like.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

 

[RonPaulMall]

Unless you are a supporter of total open borders, there is no rational argument to make against Trump's plan. If we are to have an immigration policy, then we should be sensible in the manner in which we choose who to admit.

 

[Southron]

Southern Baptist leader Russell comes out against this.


http://www.russellmoore.com/2015/12/07/is-donald-trump-right-about-closing-the-border-to-muslims/

 

[BGfree]

What's the downside to banning Muslims from entering America?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Listen to how weak Trump's voice is. Looks like he came down with something, or maybe he just wore it out. That's not going away, possibly for a week or two. In the mean time, he can no longer properly defend himself. He can no longer excoriate people in the same way he used to

This might be Trump's most vulnerable moment.

 

[BGfree]

Less women running around dressed up like the Grim Reaper?

 

[jmdrake]

You are changing the topic. You are posting racist Trump memes of people that specifically have a problem with Trump's immigration policies. If these organizations have a problem with Trump's immigration policies no doubt they are going to have the same problem with Rand's. Just look at the similarities that would be relevant.

Rand came out today for banning all immigration from Middle Eastern countries.

Not true. Not unless he called for banning immigration from Israel. I actually looked up the quote. He said banning immigration from countries with terror networks. He was not geography specific.

 

[CPUd]

What's the downside to banning Muslims from entering America?

America becomes a place where freedom of religion is no longer allowed.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

America becomes a place where freedom of religion is no longer allowed.

Funnily enough, Christian immigration is severely limited. Very few people are allowed in from Europe, and very few Christians from the middle east. Does this mean Christians no longer have freedom of religion?

How does temporarily blocking immigration of certain religious groups diminish the right of citizens of that religion to practice their beliefs in the country? Your statement doesn't make sense.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

What's the downside to banning Muslims from entering America?

How can a nation function if its President cannot travel outside for the fear that he may not be able to get back in?
Defense and Foreign Policy are some of the vital departments that heavily rely on fed gov't/POTUS.


Trump Suggests Obama Is Our First Muslim President
by Judd Legum

Sep 20, 2015 10:34am
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...a-is-a-muslim/

Donald Trump's history of suggesting Obama is a Muslim
By Chris Moody and Kristen Holmes, CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politi...uslim-birther/

54% of GOP Believe 'Deep Down' Obama Is a Muslim


It hits family values too if a sitting President cannot invite his grandma to his kids birthday parties or thanksgiving dinners:

Not to mention, impact on music/sports industries and the economy with a travel blockade of Islamic folks.

Janet Jackson converts to Islam


From Muhammad Ali to Shaquille O'Neal: Who ARE America's Muslim sporting heroes

Muhammad Wilkerson, 26, NFL football player

Muhammad Wilkerson plays for the New York Jets and he is one of the best defensive ends in the National Football League. The 2011 first-round pick made his NFL debut on the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York City, according to Newsday. He does not think dedication to Islam was the driving force behind the violence. He said in 2011: 'Me and my religion had nothing to do with it. I just felt sorry for the people whose lives got taken and for their families.'

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 68, retired NBA basketball player

NBA legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar changed his name from Lew Alcindor at the age of 24 during the midst of one of his 20 seasons in the league. Abdul-Jabbar is the NBA’s all-time leading scorer and was a six-time champion while playing for the Milwaukee Bucks and then the Los Angeles Lakers. He was known for his legendary hook shot during his time in the league and he has found success since retiring as an activist, author and cultural ambassador for the US government.

Nazem Kadri, 25, rising star in the National Hockey League

Hakeem Olajuwon, 52, Hall of Fame NBA center

Hakeem Olajuwon was born in Nigeria and came to the United States so he could play basketball for the University of Houston. The unlikely star was drafted by the Houston Rockets and went on to play 18 seasons in the NBA. He led the Rockets to back-to-back championships in 1994 and 1995. Olajuwon, who became a US citizen, was one of the most dominant two-way centers in league history and he was named to the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2008.

Mike Tyson, 49

Shaquille O'Neal, 43, NBA icon, champion and Olympic gold medalist

Retired NBA player Shaquille O'Neal is still in the spotlight thanks to his hosting job on TNT and that is probably the way the outspoken star likes it. O'Neal had fellow Muslim Louis Farrakhan at his wedding in 2003 and, although he does not often discuss his faith publicly, the All Star player did say while he was a member of the Boston Celtics that he intended to take the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca. Besides sports, O'Neal has found success with acting, rapping and even law enforcement.

Bernard Hopkins, 50, elite middleweight and light heavyweight boxer

Former middleweight and light heavyweight boxing champion Bernard Hopkins discovered Islam and a love for boxing while serving time for robbery when he was a teenager. He went on to become an elite middleweight fighter and successfully defended his title 20 times after becoming champ. He went on to fight as a light heavyweight and at the age of 49 became the oldest boxer to ever win a world championship. He swore off drugs, alcohol and junk food after converting to Islam.

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[William R]

Neither Rand Paul nor Ron Paul said anything about banning people based on religion. There are Muslim majority countries that are not hotbeds for terrorism (Malaysia for instance) and non Muslim majority countries that are (Peru - shining path maoist terrorists for example).

Yes Ron Paul did. On his congressional website he wrote that we should end immigration from nations where terrorists come from.

And Indonesia is a hot bed for ISIS recruiting

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...group-of-indonesian-terrorists-expert/6838834

 

[BGfree]

America becomes a place where freedom of religion is no longer allowed.

Well,...female genital mutilation gets in the way of personal liberties. As does many other things regarding the Muslim approach towards the treatment of women.

If one chooses to practice a religion that disregards basic human rights, they need to do it somewhere other than the U.S.A.

 

[kahless]

Not true. Not unless he called for banning immigration from Israel. I actually looked up the quote. He said banning immigration from countries with terror networks. He was not geography specific.

Just a few hours ago Rand himself retweeted this.

Practically ever country in the Middle East has some sort of terrorist network.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Well,...female genital mutilation gets in the way of personal liberties.

What is your take on male child genital mutilation from liberty standpoint.. should it be outlawed in the US/Europe or keep it?

Obama administration intervenes to defend male genital mutilation in Europe