Trump BACKTRACKS On Guarantee To End Ukraine War!

[nobody's_hero]

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

He is the GOP at this point. He's the elephant incarnate. Are you asking me if anyone can wreck the party faster? Are you asking me if there's a better vehicle Billy Kristol can pretend to hate while he rides his wave all the way to a position in The New Red Flavored National Socialism?

So, imagine we're in the 1840's-50's, which "Whigs" are going to leave the GOP and form the "republican" party?

Will it be the neocon wing of the Bill Kristol variety? Good, been trying to run them out of the party for ages.

Will it be the Trumpers? Will we get a MAGA party out of this? Lesser of 3 evils now? Well, it's progress.

Those options sound exciting and chaotic, and I'm not opposed to it at all. (though it is kind of sad that the unabashedly authoritarian Democratic party will still be at full strength, maybe Kucinich can kick up some dirt and form an exodus of his own https://signalcleveland.org/dennis-kucinich-officially-breaks-up-with-his-party/).

 

[acptulsa]

Why not do it to the DNC instead by electing a Kennedy? The only major party you're willing to cut the heart out of is the one that's you think is doing a marginally better job? Destruction begins at home?

If you want to straighten out your own kid, you don't do it by shooting him. You might be able to scare him straight by shooting the bad influence he has gotten way too involved with, though.

You love Trump so much you're willing to pass up a chance to divide and conquer liberals just to listen to him talk mean about them while he once again gives them everything their little black hearts desire?

The reason we never win is, they've stuffed our very thoughts in a box, and some of us can no longer think outside of it. Kennedy is a Democrat. Let's destroy that crappy assed party. He honestly couldn't be any worse than Trump already was anyway, so he obviously won't be worse than Biden.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Why not do it to the DNC instead and elect a Kennedy? The only major party you're willing to cut the heart out of is the one that's you think is doing a marginally better job? Destruction begins at home?

If you want to straighten out your own kid, you don't do it by shooting him. You might be able to scare him straight by shooting the bad influence he has gotten way too involved with, though.

You love Trump so much you're willing to pass up a chance to divide and conquer liberals just to listen to him talk mean about them while he once again gives them everything their little black hearts desire?

Democrats are a lost cause man. I've been saying this for ages. And they're not going to change until they're willing to (no matter how much we try to wish a revolution into existence). The only meaningful debates over where this country is headed are happening on the Right (and it's been that way since Ron Paul established a foothold for opposing viewpoints in 2008).

Your suggestion (not mine), is that we need a new party. I'm saying that the best chance for you to get that, rests on a candidate you hate.

The only question is, who is going to be standing beside you in that new party? If it's the Bill Kristols of the world, you may find the GOP's locks have been changed if you try to come back.

 

[acptulsa]

Democrats are a lost cause man. I've been saying this for ages. The only meaningful debates over where this country is headed are happening on the right (and it's been that way since Ron Paul established a foothold for opposing viewpoints in 2008).

Your suggestion (not mine), is that we need a new party. I'm saying that the best chance for you to get that, rests on a candidate you hate.

The only question is, who is going to be standing beside you in that new party?

Everything you just said is another in a string of reasons why tens of millions of disaffected lifelong Democrats are ripe for the plucking. All those particular sheep need is a sense that the herd is going the way they honestly want to go. How much do you think it would take to destroy the Democratic Party? Just one failure to present the most popular liberal candidate for the presidency and that ass goes the way of the dodo.

Why do we lose? Because we're so invested in manning up and making a good, honest, forthright frontal attack we can't be bothered to notice their flank is wide fucking open and begging for a sword.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Everything you just said is another in a string of reasons why tens of millions of disaffected lifelong Democrats are ripe for the plucking.

They need to prove it.

There's a reason I don't go into the ghetto and tell black people my opinions on what they should do to change their situations. I'm white. At the very least, they won't listen to anything I have to say, and at worst, it might be the last thing I ever say.

Likewise, as a conservative, I don't go into the democratic party and tell them what they should do to change their situations. (hence, why I'm not vocal about Kennedy (who I personally still find appealing, despite his unnecessary stance on Israel/Palestine). The Left already thinks he's just some MAGA plant. The best thing any Trump voter with a favorable opinion of Kennedy can do for his campaign is to shut the f'k up)

But if they should ever be ready to change their minds, and it comes from within—a sincere, heart-felt desire to challenge their own beliefs . . . well, hallelujah.

 

[acptulsa]

Well, you won't ever know it because there's such a thing as censorship. But they exist. And like almost all of their ilk, they're sheep.

All they need is some indication -- some poll numbers, something -- that they wouldn't be out on that limb all alone, and they'll bleat their way down that path.

 

[TheCount]

The choice is between a candidate whose base is mostly friendly to a lot of libertarian ideas or a candidate whose base wants you dead. It's hard not to see the difference.

Republicans are only friendly to libertarian ideas when they are out of power.

 

[Philhelm]

Republicans are only friendly to libertarian ideas when they are out of power.

Democrats are never friendly to libertarian ideas (except for unrestricted immigration, but they have different plans for that). Also, there are plenty of registered Republicans who are friendly to libertarian ideas; it's the party itself that is the problem.

 

[susano]

Well Trump's biggest mistake as president was he ordered a airstrike to kill an Iranian general who fought agaisnt ISIS and other Jihadist Sunni Groups in Syria that alone likely shows he brought in all the wrong people into the white house when it comes to foreign policy.

I so agree with this.

 

[Philhelm]

the choice between an autocratic party whose primaries are crooked and a party where a guy like Trump can get nominated.

enough said. At least Rand has a chance in the GOP.. But he would need fair general elections which we do not have. The people that count the vote decide the outcome today.

Trump and Ron/Rand Paul share much more common ground than anyone from the Democratic Party. Ron Paul was willing to work with the Republican Party, even if out of necessity, considering he was a party member for decades.

 

[Philhelm]

I don't see that friendliness to libertarian ideas among either major candidate's base that you see. And voters aren't voting for the candidates' bases anyway. They vote for the candidates themselves.

My experience has been different. A lot of people who voted for Trump seemed to like Ron Paul. There's a reason that Ron Paul ran as a Republican, and that reason is because Democratic Party voters would never support him. The fact that Ron Paul existed within the Republican Party for so long is evidence that you are mistaken.

Regarding your last point, while it is true that elected candidates almost never make good their promises, the occasional tossed bone and the favorable rhetoric is reason enough to oppose the insane, radical left. The Republican Party is trash, but most Republican/Trump voters seem to be normal people, whereas the left has become rabidly insane.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

I listened he didn't say anything of the sort.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Everything you just said is another in a string of reasons why tens of millions of disaffected lifelong Democrats are ripe for the plucking. All those particular sheep need is a sense that the herd is going the way they honestly want to go. How much do you think it would take to destroy the Democratic Party? Just one failure to present the most popular liberal candidate for the presidency and that ass goes the way of the dodo.

Why do we lose? Because we're so invested in manning up and making a good, honest, forthright frontal attack we can't be bothered to notice their flank is wide $#@!ing open and begging for a sword.

That's the song the RINOs sing every time they sell us out.
It never works.

 

[acptulsa]

That's the song the RINOs sing every time they sell us out.

Post a vid of any RINO saying anything remotely like that. I dare you.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Post a vid of any RINO saying anything remotely like that. I dare you.

Are you kidding?
Every RINO always says we have to play to the center and moderate dems.

 

[acptulsa]

Are you kidding?
Every RINO always says we have to play to the center and moderate dems.

Because the DNC's flank is wide open and we could destroy that party once and for all?

You heard RINOs say that?

Care to post the vid?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Because the DNC's flank is wide open and we could destroy that party once and for all?

You heard RINOs say that?

Care to post the vid?

I'm sure one of them did.
But it doesn't matter what excuse is used, the plea for us to continue to move the overton window to the left by giving the enemies of liberty some of what they want is exactly the same.
It won't destroy the Democrat party, it won't get hardly any of their voters, and it will turn the Republicans into a perfect clone of the Democrats instead of a party with a MAGA liberty wing.
Compromise and cooperation with the left is what neutered the Ron Paul movement and helped the RINOs suppress it with the aid of misguided conservatives.
But I'm sure you know all that.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm sure one of them did.

I'm not. I think you were talking out of your ass as usual is a far more likely explanation.

But I'm sure you know all that.

"That" being:

1. Encourage the millions of Democrats saying, "Gee, this guy's senile, compromised, and guaranteed to lose, what do we do?" to vote outside the party.

2. ?

3. ?

4. GOP becomes a more perfect clone if the Democrat Party than it already is.

No, I don't already know that. You don't know that. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows how to fill in the blanks so that comes to that.