Trump BACKTRACKS On Guarantee To End Ukraine War!

Continuing his streak of ending wars as the anti-war president?

Continuing his strategy of appearing to be strategizing the strategic end of wars without actually ending any.

That's the true nature of 3D chess. It's like an exhibitionist playing strip poker. It's a challenge to look like you're trying to win while you're playing to lose.
 
This is why conservatives and libertarians always lose. The leftists completely understand how a bunch of small victories lead to what they want. Conservatives and especially libertarians want 100% perfection on absolutely everything on day 1. Leftists are willing to do the long game. Making the argument that the lesser of two evils argument here is the same as Bush vs. Gore/Kerry, Obama vs. McCain/Romney is just absurd.

You think leftists aren't pushing for their vision of perfection?
The reason they win is because they know politics is the equivalent of a negotiation, and they are better negotiators than conservatives or libertarians.
You do not find a middle ground and run on that. You run on extremes and when everyone dials back your extreme to a moderate position, suddenly what everyone understands to be the moderate position has moved more in your direction.

You think leftists aren't running on the following?

-We're gonna cut off your daughter's tits and make you pay for it, and if you say boo you're off to gulag.

-We're gonna take away your car, replace it with a 10,000lb golf cart that costs $80k after the federal subsidies, requires $20k in maintenance every 5 years, reports everywhere you've been to the NSA, and has a remote kill switch, and if you say boo, you're gonna lose your job.

-We're gonna make you cover your face in public for eternity, and if you say boo, we're gonna weld your doors shut like they did in China.

It mystifies me that anyone can think for half a second that the left isn't playing for 3000% of what they could live with. They know how to negotiate. They've been pushing for the ridiculous end of their position for 30 years+, and we are so, so very far past "they're gonna take our guns and make us pay for socialized healthcare" that I don't really know how to snap people out of their thinking that Trump is going to save them.

Trump is going to do what he did last time: run as a 1990s era Democrat. He's gonna take the needle that the left has been bulldozing in their direction for 30 years, and he's gonna put his pinky finger on it and slow down the rate of acceleration ever so much and the left is going to be absolutely giddy that they can spend the next four years throwing a mock tantrum while they sit back and watch all their wildest fantasies come true under his administration, again.

Conservatives and Libertarians don't lose because they don't capitulate - capitulating and giving up on what you ostensibly want is in fact the dictionary definition of losing. If they got into a similar position where they're calling the shots and had to give up on one thing to get two, the same way the left has done for my entire life, then you'd have a point.

Until then... well, we'll just have to eat the bugs until you lot realize how many people there are out there who actually do have the balls to push like that, and stop ignoring them for the promise of a cheeto flavored bone thrown in your direction to keep your mind off how much you're losing.
 
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Until then... well, we'll just have to eat the bugs until you lot realize how many people there are out there who actually do have the balls to push like that, and stop ignoring them for the promise of a cheeto flavored bone thrown in your direction to keep your mind off how much you're losing.

You will own nothing and you'll be happy, because CNN's heads will be exploding over Trump holding the line on money for free syringes.
 
You think leftists aren't pushing for their vision of perfection?
The reason they win is because they know politics is the equivalent of a negotiation, and they are better negotiators than conservatives or libertarians.
You do not find a middle ground and run on that. You run on extremes and when everyone dials back your extreme to a moderate position, suddenly what everyone understands to be the moderate position has moved more in your direction.

You think leftists aren't running on the following?

-We're gonna cut off your daughter's tits and make you pay for it, and if you say boo you're off to gulag.

-We're gonna take away your car, replace it with a 10,000lb golf cart that costs $80k after the federal subsidies, requires $20k in maintenance every 5 years, reports everywhere you've been to the NSA, and has a remote kill switch, and if you say boo, you're gonna lose your job.

-We're gonna make you cover your face in public for eternity, and if you say boo, we're gonna weld your doors shut like they did in China.

It mystifies me that anyone can think for half a second that the left isn't playing for 3000% of what they could live with. They know how to negotiate. They've been pushing for the ridiculous end of their position for 30 years+, and we are so, so very far past "they're gonna take our guns and make us pay for socialized healthcare" that I don't really know how to snap people out of their thinking that Trump is going to save them.

Trump is going to do what he did last time: run as a 1990s era Democrat. He's gonna take the needle that the left has been bulldozing in their direction for 30 years, and he's gonna put his pinky finger on it and slow down the rate of acceleration ever so much and the left is going to be absolutely giddy that they can spend the next four years throwing a mock tantrum while they sit back and watch all their wildest fantasies come true under his administration, again.

Conservatives and Libertarians don't lose because they don't capitulate - capitulating and giving up on what you ostensibly want is in fact the dictionary definition of losing. If they got into a similar position where they're calling the shots and had to give up on one thing to get two, the same way the left has done for my entire life, then you'd have a point.

Until then... well, we'll just have to eat the bugs until you lot realize how many people there are out there who actually do have the balls to push like that, and stop ignoring them for the promise of a cheeto flavored bone thrown in your direction to keep your mind off how much you're losing.

You completely missed my point. Do you think the average leftist would want a Biden Pelosi, Schumer, etc? No, but they do use them to gain their agenda. The fact that they ask for 3000% of what they want, is my point exactly. They understand how to get to their end game with baby steps. Does a Trump win bring us closer or farther to a Rand Paul or JD Vance having a bigger voice?

When it's establishment Republicans and Democrats against each other, as I pointed out there is an argument that the lesser of two evils. Are you really suggesting that Trump vs. Biden's handlers is the same as Bush vs. Gore or Kerry? The same as Obama vs. McCain or Romney? Will Trump be anywhere near perfect. Absolutely not. Will he be greatly better than the alternative? Yes.
 

At a recent campaign event, Donald Trump told followers that he was NATO’s greatest hero and that if elected he would persuade the U.S.’s European allies to beef up their funding for the Ukraine War to match what the U.S. currently spends.
Why are we supposed to vote for this piece of Shiite?

And when they refuse (because they can't) he will use that refusal to end our involvement.
This is nonsense.
He's taking votes from Haley and then will proceed to beat up Biden over Ukraine for the General election, then he will get us out.
 
Well Trump's biggest mistake as president was he ordered a airstrike to kill an Iranian general who fought agaisnt ISIS and other Jihadist Sunni Groups in Syria that alone likely shows he brought in all the wrong people into the white house when it comes to foreign policy.

You mean the general who was coordinating the terrorist attacks on our embassy?
 
As a "moderate" Trump supporter, why should I dip into this thread, to argue about $#@! that has been argued about a thousand times already, and listen to the OP call me a tranny $#@!?

$#@! him and his thread.

If Trump openly pledges more money to Ukraine, then maybe I'll change my mind.

And with that said, I'm out.

As I said, he knows the rest of NATO can't match us and that will give him justification to end our involvement.
 
Of course he does. He just lost an 80 million dollar judgment and is about to lose his real estate business. He needs income and Ukraine isn't shy with the bribes. Worked for Biden.

LOL

He will not lose a dime and all the cases will be slapped down on appeal.
 
I’ve already lost a lot of respect after reading your posts. This one takes the cake. Somehow a fellow liberty minded person who supports trump in the next election slobbers dick?

Here’s my positive spin- maybe trump can’t fully control what the legislature authorizes spending on regarding Ukraine, but it would be nice to see other countries in NATO take some of the burden of cost. Would be nice to see leadership. Trumps not perfect but neither am I. he’s getting my vote.
A voice of sanity.
 
Basically he's talking about the military spending in form of NATO just like all the other times.

He knows that Europe is not going to shoulder the level of costs the US contributes.

Trump is not for this aid to Ukraine. He wasn't even for previous wartime aid to Ukraine.

Trump Urges Republicans To Kill Ukraine Aid Bill


https://www.barrons.com/news/trump-urges-republicans-to-kill-ukraine-aid-bill-a93dd1d4

""Don't be STUPID!!! We need a separate Border and Immigration Bill. It should not be tied to foreign aid in any way, shape, or form!" said Trump.

(unlike the GOP's attempt to segregate Israel 17.8 Billion package instead of the Border)

Don't bring facts into the two minutes of hate.
 
I watched the clip. He said if the EU is in for $20B, then the US should only be in for $20, but instead we are in for $200B+ and that is "stupid". If he were to force the EU to contribute more, they would be more inclined to a peace deal. As long as the USA is paying the vast majority of the cost, they have no incentive to resolve the dispute. He is saying that changes with his administration and we will not be taken advantage of. That will immediately change the calculation and bring Ukraine to peace talks.
Don't expect critical thinking from the sexually obsessed TDS crowd.
 
C'mon bro, you've got to vote for the Satanic, pedophilic, communists who want you dead, or the no-hope, unprincipled Libertarian who wants to import a billion people who oppose libertarian ideology. Or maybe RFK, but we know how that will turn out. You're a tranny $#@! if you don't! A border is $#@!ing statist, bro!

Don't forget the possibility of being one of the good men who do nothing so that evil might triumph while they wash their hands like Pilate.
 
I think sitting home is worse.

Objectively speaking, I don't think a cost-benefit analysis would bear that out.

You are far more likely to die in a car accident on your way to and from your polling place than you are to have your vote make a difference, and given that the difference in outcome offers so little benefit for one candidate versus another, sitting at home is probably the better option.
 
As a "moderate" Trump supporter, why should I dip into this thread, to argue about shit that has been argued about a thousand times already, and listen to the OP call me a tranny cocksucker?

Fuck him and his thread.

If Trump openly pledges more money to Ukraine, then maybe I'll change my mind.

And with that said, I'm out.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.
 
Are you trying to say that Trump is better than Bush, McCain, and Romney?
Yes, and anyone that doesn't I don't really have words for. Far from perfect, but we got no new wars, The Abraham accords, Trump actually talking to Kim in North Korea and crossing into their territory, a tax plan that was pretty decent and wouldn't even include the "Tax loopholes for the rich" if a couple moderate Communists had voted for it. Compare that to Bomb, bomb Iran McCain, leftist Romney or Bush, and if you don't think there's a difference than again I don't have any words.
 
Yes, and anyone that doesn't I don't really have words for. Far from perfect, but we got no new wars, The Abraham accords, Trump actually talking to Kim in North Korea and crossing into their territory, a tax plan that was pretty decent and wouldn't even include the "Tax loopholes for the rich" if a couple moderate Communists had voted for it. Compare that to Bomb, bomb Iran McCain, leftist Romney or Bush, and if you don't think there's a difference than again I don't have any words.

I think Trump was better on foreign policy, And that's no small thing. On the other hand, he gave us the COVID lockdowns and associated spending, and that's no small thing either.
 
Trump has never & would never VETO anything that would take away $1 from Industrial Military Industry...Pharmaceutical side as well
 
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