Trump BACKTRACKS On Guarantee To End Ukraine War!

[Cap]

My words might seem harsh, but some people require a rhetorical punch in the mouth before they will question their delusions.

 

[spudea]

I watched the clip. He said if the EU is in for $20B, then the US should only be in for $20, but instead we are in for $200B+ and that is "stupid". If he were to force the EU to contribute more, they would be more inclined to a peace deal. As long as the USA is paying the vast majority of the cost, they have no incentive to resolve the dispute. He is saying that changes with his administration and we will not be taken advantage of. That will immediately change the calculation and bring Ukraine to peace talks.

 

[acptulsa]

I watched the clip. He said if the EU is in for $20B, then the US should only be in for $20, but instead we are in for $200B+ and that is "stupid". If he were to force the EU to contribute more, they would be more inclined to a peace deal. As long as the USA is paying the vast majority of the cost, they have no incentive to resolve the dispute. He is saying that changes with his administration and we will not be taken advantage of. That will immediately change the calculation and bring Ukraine to peace talks.

Uh huh.

And then, we could just stop, like Trump said back when he was talking out of the other side of his ass. Nothing would give those people more incentive to resolve the differences the CIA stirred up between them because there's gas under their ground.

 

[fisharmor]

I’ve already lost a lot of respect after reading your posts. This one takes the cake. Somehow a fellow liberty minded person who supports trump in the next election slobbers dick?

If he didn't have a track record then your indignation would come across as a bit more righteous. As it is, you're basically claiming to be a rank-and-file conservative who considers the "proper" use of the overblown standing army and the fiat machine to be just fine. As long as you have cheap gas, it doesn't matter. That's the position Trump personifies in both word and deed.
Oh, and something about liberty, because otherwise we'd lose Pennsylvania again, or some shit.

Here’s my positive spin- maybe trump can’t fully control what the legislature authorizes spending on regarding Ukraine, but it would be nice to see other countries in NATO take some of the burden of cost. Would be nice to see leadership. Trumps not perfect but neither am I. he’s getting my vote.

You know what Trump can do as president? He can order all our military forces home, immediately. Then he can go to the legislature and say "this isn't happening so fuck off" and if they impeach him, it can be a real impeachment hearing about something that actually happened. And the military isn't going to do anything until the impeachment hearing is over.
If he was anti-war, this would be the pretty obvious low-hanging-fruit option. The war would at least not happen for a year.
But he's not anti-war. He's not going to trade his career for anyone's life. We heard for a year under HIS watch that "if it saves just one life" we should give up our own lives. I guess that really only matters when it's big pharma dick getting slobbered.

 

[dannno]

I watched the clip. He said if the EU is in for $20B, then the US should only be in for $20, but instead we are in for $200B+ and that is "stupid". If he were to force the EU to contribute more, they would be more inclined to a peace deal. As long as the USA is paying the vast majority of the cost, they have no incentive to resolve the dispute. He is saying that changes with his administration and we will not be taken advantage of. That will immediately change the calculation and bring Ukraine to peace talks.

You're no rock n' roll fun.. I wanted to come in here and say something nasty about Donald Trump. Now THAT'S fun!

You just had to come in and be reasonable and intelligent.

 

[Philhelm]

You know, the orange apologists are always saying hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils...seriously, there is no lesser. It's all full blown evil.

Are you having a forum conversation with yourself?

 

[Philhelm]

As a "moderate" Trump supporter, why should I dip into this thread, to argue about shit that has been argued about a thousand times already, and listen to the OP call me a tranny cocksucker?

Fuck him and his thread.

If Trump openly pledges more money to Ukraine, then maybe I'll change my mind.

And with that said, I'm out.

C'mon bro, you've got to vote for the Satanic, pedophilic, communists who want you dead, or the no-hope, unprincipled Libertarian who wants to import a billion people who oppose libertarian ideology. Or maybe RFK, but we know how that will turn out. You're a tranny cocksucker if you don't! A border is fucking statist, bro!

 

[fisharmor]

C'mon bro, you've got to vote for the Satanic, pedophilic, communists who want you dead, or the no-hope, unprincipled Libertarian who wants to import a billion people who oppose libertarian ideology. Or maybe RFK, but we know how that will turn out. You're a tranny cocksucker if you don't! A border is fucking statist, bro!

I haven't had anyone to vote for in 14 years and neither have you.
Unless you want to cop to actually voting for someone, that is.

 

[asurfaholic]

There are one hell of a lot of not-so-liberty-minded people, some here, who certainly do just that, figuratively speaking. Yes. I don't see where he said every supporter of The Lesser Evil At All Cost fits that description. Seems to me only he can tell you if he feels that way.

We have bigger problems than trying to stick someone else with the bill we're running up trying to flatten Ukraine so the Bidens, Clintons, Romneys et al can get more royalties for gas, though. We really do. But, hey. If all we're capable of doing is trying to bail out the Titanic's hold with a bucket line, then I'll see you in the frigid water.

If this is the one issue that I’m worried about then maybe I’d stick my vote somewhere else. It’s not. And the things I care about guide my decisions.

 

[acptulsa]

I haven't had anyone to vote for in 14 years and neither have you.
Unless you want to cop to actually voting for someone, that is.

Seems to me like Revelation is all about people being hypocrites. I don't know what else the devil has in mind, but if he can make everyone such hypocrites that they're really voting for one of these proven losers, one of these demons, he can keep a whole lot of us out of heaven.

If we were in tune with God we'd find somebody else to elect and do it. But most people have to stumble through this with blinders on, because thinking, talking to each other, agreeing, minding the polls ourselves, and seeing that our will is done, might entail some effort.

If this is the one issue that I’m worried about then maybe I’d stick my vote somewhere else. It’s not. And the things I care about guide my decisions.

You conveniently don't mention what they are. Obviously you've hung around here enough to know that we have better answers than Trump for those, too. Unless it's your Raytheon or Burisma stock price you're talking about.

 

[Matt4Liberty]

I haven't had anyone to vote for in 14 years and neither have you.
Unless you want to cop to actually voting for someone, that is.

This is why conservatives and libertarians always lose. The leftists completely understand how a bunch of small victories lead to what they want. Conservatives and especially libertarians want 100% perfection on absolutely everything on day 1. Leftists are willing to do the long game. Making the argument that the lesser of two evils argument here is the same as Bush vs. Gore/Kerry, Obama vs. McCain/Romney is just absurd.

 

[asurfaholic]

If he didn't have a track record then your indignation would come across as a bit more righteous. As it is, you're basically claiming to be a rank-and-file conservative who considers the "proper" use of the overblown standing army and the fiat machine to be just fine. As long as you have cheap gas, it doesn't matter. That's the position Trump personifies in both word and deed.
Oh, and something about liberty, because otherwise we'd lose Pennsylvania again, or some $#@!.



You know what Trump can do as president? He can order all our military forces home, immediately. Then he can go to the legislature and say "this isn't happening so $#@! off" and if they impeach him, it can be a real impeachment hearing about something that actually happened. And the military isn't going to do anything until the impeachment hearing is over.
If he was anti-war, this would be the pretty obvious low-hanging-fruit option. The war would at least not happen for a year.
But he's not anti-war. He's not going to trade his career for anyone's life. We heard for a year under HIS watch that "if it saves just one life" we should give up our own lives. I guess that really only matters when it's big pharma dick getting slobbered.

I might have missed it. Is there an anti war candidate running who would close our overseas imperial outposts? Because I’d vote for that.

 

[acptulsa]

I might have missed it. Is there an anti war candidate running who would close our overseas imperial outposts? Because I’d vote for that.

Define "running". Are you talking about a major party candidate with ballot access, name recognition and free publicity? Are you looking for one who is officially "electable"? Because if so, you've resigned yourself to sharing the fate of this fast-crumbling empire. You're just playing along with the people trying to turn this place into a banana "republic".

 

[asurfaholic]

Seems to me like Revelation is all about people being hypocrites. I don't know what else the devil has in mind, but if he can make everyone such hypocrites that they're really voting for one of these proven losers, one of these demons, he can keep a whole lot of us out of heaven.

If we were in tune with God we'd find somebody else to elect and do it. But most people have to stumble through this with blinders on, because thinking, talking to each other, agreeing, minding the polls ourselves, and seeing that our will is done, might entail some effort.



You conveniently don't mention what they are. Obviously you've hung around here enough to know that we have better answers than Trump for those, too. Unless it's your Raytheon or Burisma stock price you're talking about.

I’ve been around here long enough to know to stay out of some of the debates between people who I can’t tell are trolls or just shilling bots. At this point in the game I’d first of all like to see the elections be secured. I’d like to see the border secure. Then I want a president who strengthens the country. I have a realistic mindset that tells me that no matter who gets elected, they start where the last one left off. One president can’t fix everything and do everything. Do I hate voting for the least stinky option? Yes. Do I always? No. Truth is, I do not want another 4 years of Biden, and I want to see the end of the very left wing corruption we have seen. Historic levels of it, and to me trump has never violated an issue near and dear to my trust. Is he savior? No. Am I gonna slobber? No. But I want to win the next election. Incrementally improve the state of this country. Hopefully.

 

[asurfaholic]

Define "running". Are you talking about a major party candidate with ballot access, name recognition and free publicity? Are you looking for one who is officially "electable"? Because if so, you've resigned yourself to sharing the fate of this fast-crumbling empire. You're just playing along with the people trying to turn this place into a banana "republic".

Well, there’s none on my primary ballot so I can’t vote for that. He’s not on the general election ballot so can’t vote for that. I’ll toss a ballot out there to try to beat the Biden vote harvesting operation. I’ll pick someone who can win, and my gut says he’s the best for the job.. Not because I’m weak, but because I think sitting home is worse.

 

[acptulsa]

Incrementally improve the state of this country. Hopefully.

Well I'm sorry. Believe me when I tell you I'm sorry. And I understand that I'm making you want to decapitate the messenger. But, one, Trump isn't that guy. Period. Obviously. Whether he crossed any of your personal lines or not, he's dedicated to leading us down the garden path. Massie already told those of us who have ears to hear, and he was in the perfect position to find out while he was preventing Pelosi from standing alone in the House chamber and disposing of the Constitution. And two, it's probably too damned late anyway. Certainly it's too damned late to steer this barge away from the iceberg by making "incremental" adjustments to the wheel. Eight more billions of debt from Trump and five more from Biden? Manning the pumps ain't going to get it done.

 

[dannno]

My words might seem harsh, but some people require a rhetorical punch in the mouth before they will question their delusions.

You didn't consider this is part of the strategy of ending the war?

 

[69360]

Maybe he will end the war to put a Trump branded golf club in Ukraine.

 

[oyarde]

I really never considered the vast majority of RPF's to be biden , trump or whatever candy ass libertarian candidate gets put up voters in the first place. The avg person here would be to the right of establishment. Some may vote for trump in states that are contested but right now a lot of that will hinge on vp pick. From an economic standpoint I believe the long term math shows the country will fail so at this point we are just trying to maintain a little american culture until you guys are eating cats. Yeah I have my dignity today , but rest assured that doesnt mean there is going to be any of that to go around in decade or two.

 

[TheCount]

You didn't consider this is part of the strategy of ending the war?

Continuing his streak of ending wars as the anti-war president?