Trump Asked For The Original Declaration of Independence Be Moved Into His Office

[familydog]

How could you say the founding fathers didn't consider declaring independence significant when their writing says it. It was a revolutionary act.


"Thomas Jefferson wrote to a fellow Virginian reflecting on what he called “the revolution of 1800"...

Jefferson was writing in 1819, far enough after the fact to appreciate its importance."

-H.W Brands

“That was as real a revolution in the principles of our government as that of ’76 was in its form, not effected indeed by the sword, as that, but by the rational and peaceable instrument of reform, the suffrage of the people. The nation declared its will by dismissing functionaries of one principle and electing those of another.”

-Thomas Jefferson

I mean, there are literally dozens of scholarly books and papers on this topic. This is not some secret.

You are confusing two different things. You are confusing a piece of paper with the spirit in which it was written.

 

[nikcers]

I mean, there are literally dozens of scholarly books and papers on this topic. This is not some secret.

You are confusing two different things. You are confusing a piece of paper with the spirit in which it was written.

The historical piece paper that documents the idea in which our nation is founded on that influences our nation today making it a living document.

A nation simply doesn't exist without a shared history and culture that binds people together.

The declaration of independence has significance because we are a nation.

We don't have a nation that is founded by kings or bloodlines but an idea that all men are equal inspired by the idea preserved by that piece of paper and our living memory. It's the oldest living national document we have.

People write things down so they can remember them. It's in our living memory and because we have that piece of paper.

 

[familydog]

The historical piece paper that documents the idea in which our nation is founded on that influences our nation today making it a living document.

A nation simply doesn't exist without a shared history and culture that binds people together.

The declaration of independence has significance because we are a nation.

We don't have a nation that is founded by kings or bloodlines but an idea that all men are equal inspired by the idea preserved by that piece of paper and our living memory. It's the oldest living national document we have.

People write things down so they can remember them. It's in our living memory and because we have that piece of paper.

Again, this is what Lincoln said. He made the Declaration into what you view it as today. This is not the Founders talking and there is no scholarly evidence to say otherwise.

 

[nikcers]

Again, this is what Lincoln said. He made the Declaration into what you view it as today. This is not the Founders talking and there is no scholarly evidence to say otherwise.

The declaration of independence is literally the Founders talking.

There wasn't the technology to record it any other way.

 

[familydog]

The declaration of independence is literally the Founders talking.

There wasn't the technology to record it any other way.

It was considered simply a wartime manifesto. It wasn't some sacred text that they built their whole civilization on. It wasn't their Dead Sea Scrolls or something. It was not a central focus of political life. They viewed the Constitution as the much more important document. The Declaration was just a written version of what they felt during a time of war, but once the war was over, it was largely forgotten.

It was not treated as anything other than that until Lincoln. Once again, you are projecting. There is literally no scholarly work that backs you up here. The most you can say is that Jefferson held it up on a pedestal, but that's because he wrote it. Everyone else just moved on after the war.

If you want to believe something that's not true, that's fine. I won't get in your way.

 

[nikcers]

It was considered simply a wartime manifesto. It wasn't some sacred text that they built their whole civilization on. It wasn't their Dead Sea Scrolls or something. It was not a central focus of political life. They viewed the Constitution as the much more important document. The Declaration was just a written version of what they felt during a time of war, but once the war was over, it was largely forgotten.

It was not treated as anything other than that until Lincoln. Once again, you are projecting. There is literally no scholarly work that backs you up here. The most you can say is that Jefferson held it up on a pedestal, but that's because he wrote it. Everyone else just moved on after the war.

If you want to believe something that's not true, that's fine. I won't get in your way.

Of course Lincoln invoked it. He fought our 2nd civil war which was a revolutionary act because it fundamentally changed our federal government and the balance of power in our government by freeing the slaves so that all men are equal.

A revolutionary act is a bold, transformative action that challenges the status quo, often involving a rejection of existing norms and structures, and aims to bring about fundamental change.

 

[dannno]

He wasn't charged with any crimes under our laws.

Let's ignore for a moment that Hamas was created, funded and armed by Izrael.

Even from an etiquette perspective, did he actually praise Hamas or simply condemn Izrael?

He was here on a Visa and was organizing anti-American riots that were taking over and vandalizing Universities.

The Sec of State can revoke any visa, any time, for any reason.

There are way too many students here on visas as it is. I get not liking government officials, but most of these people do not like our country or our Constitution. I'm not going to defend people's free speech rights who don't believe in free speech.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm not going to defend people's free speech rights who don't believe in free speech.

You refuse to defend Swordsmyth's right to free speech? Even if he does turn out to be an American citizen?

Patrick Henry you ain't.

 

[PAF]

I get not liking government officials, but most of these people do not like our country or our Constitution. I'm not going to defend people's free speech rights who don't believe in free speech.

Looking in the mirror would be a great start.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Looking in the mirror would be a great start.

Says the guy who proclaims his hatred for our country and Constitution and advocates for everything that will destroy both and against everything that will preserve or restore either.

 

[acptulsa]

Says the guy who proclaims his hatred for our country and Constitution and advocates for everything that will destroy both and against everything that will preserve or restore either.

Now there's something that's not only delusional and toxic, but which violates at least three forum rules.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Now there's something that's not only delusional and toxic, but which violates at least three forum rules.

Sorry, but your fellow traveler has proclaimed his hatred for America, Americans, and the "CONstitution" many times.
And he consistently advocates for policies like open borders and not deporting foreign enemies and criminals etc.
He has also advocated against bills that reduce gun control etc.

 

[acptulsa]

Toxibot.

You need to up your game. Most arguments which operate on that level of "he doesn't sound like the cool clique" involve references to poop and cooties. Just sayin'...

 

[PAF]

Sorry, but your fellow traveler has proclaimed his hatred for America, Americans, and the "CONstitution" many times.
And he consistently advocates for policies like open borders and not deporting foreign enemies and criminals etc.
He has also advocated against bills that reduce gun control etc.

I don't hate Americans. I just have no appreciation for stupid ones.

The CONstitution requires that I pay my money to things that I have not purchased or used, just because other stupid people decided to "represent" me. As for the Bill of Rights, which you hate and despise, I kind of like the list, though the writers could have included repercussion for those who violate them. You know, for people like you.

Advocate against "bills" that reduce gun control? You mean "permission" from politicians/government which can also be taken away? The 2nd A is the only permit that I need. But you don't get that, because, well, you hate and despise the Bill of Rights.