Topic of “Chemtrails” Discussed at United Nations Global Warming Session

[mosquitobite]

If it is, can you spend a little for me and some nice Colombian chick?

I heard they prefer to peddle with Argentinians.

 

[Danke]

Don't we have pilots on the board? Maybe they could give us a heads up on how to get started finding out how to do it. I'm not sure what kind of jet it would take to respond quickly and at what altitude they would be capable of, etc...

Anyone?

Clyde you are a smart young man.

Really, don't waste your time on this "Chemtrail" nonsense.

I am a pilot, both from the military and now civilian aviation. Ask away if you must.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Clyde you are a smart young man.

Really, don't waste your time on this "Chemtrail" nonsense.

I am a pilot, both from the military and now civilian aviation. Ask away if you must.

I'd be willing to put up for a test.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

 

[Danke]

I'd be willing to put up for a test.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

That supposes some aircraft are spraying chemicals.

This has been address many times here. But dumping chemicals at high altitude would have little to no effect. Winds aloft would carry it hundreds or thousand of miles away before it could ever reach the surface level.

And if commercial aircraft are unknowingly dumping chemicals in their fuel exhaust (ie. the jet fuel contaminated with foreign particles), someone explain how that would even be possible. Fuel is constantly tested for impurities. And the temperature that fuel burns at would destroy any additive to the fuel before being expelled in the exhaust.

 

[fr33]

They was spraying before there was planes!

 

[green73]

They was spraying before there was planes!

LOL, but that's a contrail. See how it is disappearing? That's what's suppose to happen.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I'd be willing to put up for a test.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

That supposes some aircraft are spraying chemicals.

This has been address many times here. But dumping chemicals at high altitude would have little to no effect. Winds aloft would carry it hundreds or thousand of miles away before it could ever reach the surface level.

And if commercial aircraft are unknowingly dumping chemicals in their fuel exhaust (ie. the jet fuel contaminated with foreign particles), someone explain how that would even be possible. Fuel is constantly tested for impurities. And the temperature that fuel burns at would destroy any additive to the fuel before being expelled in the exhaust.

But, you didn't answer my question.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

But, you didn't answer my question.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

Danke? Want to answer this?

 

[fr33]

LOL, but that's a contrail. See how it is disappearing? That's what's suppose to happen.

So are you saying the ones that are chemtrails are still up there and never disappeared?

On some days the jets don't even leave a trail. Then there's days when they do.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Clyde you are a smart young man.

Really, don't waste your time on this "Chemtrail" nonsense.

I am a pilot, both from the military and now civilian aviation. Ask away if you must.

I'd be willing to put up for a test.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

That supposes some aircraft are spraying chemicals.

This has been address many times here. But dumping chemicals at high altitude would have little to no effect. Winds aloft would carry it hundreds or thousand of miles away before it could ever reach the surface level.

And if commercial aircraft are unknowingly dumping chemicals in their fuel exhaust (ie. the jet fuel contaminated with foreign particles), someone explain how that would even be possible. Fuel is constantly tested for impurities. And the temperature that fuel burns at would destroy any additive to the fuel before being expelled in the exhaust.

But, you didn't answer my question.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

Danke? Want to answer this?

Okay, I'm starting to get the feeling that we are not free to do this test, either.

 

[fr33]

Since bumping = proof....

So are you saying the ones that are chemtrails are still up there and never disappeared?

On some days the jets don't even leave a trail. Then there's days when they do.

Anyone want to accept, address, or acknowledge the fact that jets leave trails that are noticeably different depending on the weather?

A cloud from burning jet fuel hangs in the air at different intervals. I've seen trails appear for different numbers of hours and I've seen there been almost no trail at all. If you want to explain away "contrails" then why don't those even exist from the jet exhaust on certain days?

The fact that laying a chem trail would be scattered for thousands of miles has been ignored as well.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Since bumping = proof....



Anyone want to accept, address, or acknowledge the fact that jets leave trails that are noticeably different depending on the weather?

A cloud from burning jet fuel hangs in the air at different intervals. I've seen trails appear for different numbers of hours and I've seen there been almost no trail at all. If you want to explain away "contrails" then why don't those even exist from the jet exhaust on certain days?

The fact that laying a chem trail would be scattered for thousands of miles has been ignored as well.

I'm not sure I understand your questions, but I'll give it a shot.

For one thing, I don't think the general consensus is that chemtrails are delivered by passenger jets with passengers on them, nor that it is necessarily being sprayed through the fuel system.

For another, no one is saying that some contrails don't last longer than others depending on temperature and humidity. If I start my car one morning it will blow what appears to be a contrail/cloud that dissipates within some time period, other mornings it is clear. That's understandable.

What some call chemtrails can be described as what appear to be contrails that trail behind the plane for miles, they are usually laid down in a hatch pattern (like a line of planes flying in parallel, but necessarily at the exact same time, from east to west and from north to south). And this can (and usually is here) on a clear sky blue day. These lines then spread to form very dense clouds(ie, don't dissipate, but instead propagate). It's hard to say what size the hatched pattern is, but I would say, from visual experience, several hundred square miles.

Also, there can be normal airport traffic flying overhead not leaving but short contrails (that do dissipate) in the mix.

 

[Danke]

But, you didn't answer my question.

What would it take for a pilot to get the go ahead to be somewhere quickly at a specific location at some altitude that would only be known upon arrival?

I really don't understand. You mean like scramble a fighter jet? A civilian aircraft would need a flight plan filed with the FAA if they were going as high as contrails. I'm sure some special permissions could be granted to operate in areas (much like Military Operations Areas), but those areas would be clear of other traffic.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Actually you don't need to fly up there. Provided you had access to a good mass spectrometer.

http://www.iac.ethz.ch/groups/lohmann/research/lab/chemical_comp

Knowledge of an atmospheric particle’s chemical composition is of importance as it determines the optical properties of particles and affects atmospheric chemistry in the gas as well as in the particulate phase. Moreover – and that is in the main focus of our research interests – the aerosol chemical composition influences the ability of particles to act as cloud condensation nuclei (CCN) or ice nuclei (IN). For instance, while some particles (such as minerals) do not make very good CCN, they act as very good ice nuclei (IN) in colder parts of the atmosphere. In order to better understand these aerosol-cloud interactions our group carries out measurements of the aerosol chemical composition using mass spectrometry.


An ideal aerosol mass spectrometer should be capable of determining the size of an individual aerosol particle in situ, and provide a quantitative measure of each of its molecular constituents in real time. This is a difficult task because atmospheric particles range in size from less than 10 nm to greater than 10 μm. In addition, the molecular constituents are often mixtures that can include sea salt, soot, heavy metals, mineral dust, and a large number of different organic molecules.

The ability to detect individual particles is important in atmospheric studies where it is essential to know whether particles are uniform mixtures of many constituents (internally mixed), or whether the aerosol is a heterogeneous mixture of various types of particles (externally mixed). Finally, great benefits accrue if such instruments are portable so that they can be transported to various locations for field experiments.

The main instrument in our group used for chemical analysis is an Aerosol Time-of-Flight Mass Spectrometer (ATOFMS, TSI Model 3800). The instrument determines aerodynamic size and chemical composition of single particles in near real-time. It uses an aerodynamic sizing technique to measure particle size, and it uses time-of-flight mass spectrometry to determine the chemical composition of particles. Particles are drawn into the instrument from ambient air, sized, and - due to the bipolar design of the mass spectrometer - a positive and a negative ion spectrum are acquired from each particle. The main differences compared to the Aerodyne aerosol mass spectrometer which is widely used in the field of aerosol mass spectrometry, are the capability of the ATOFMS to analyse individual particles and refractory materials such as sodium chloride, elemental carbon and mineral dust constituents can be obtained. This fits into our major group research interests as particle types containing those components often show distinct ice and cloud condensation nuclei characteristics.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

I'm sure someone has tried to measure chemtrails in the air before, and you know why we haven't heard about it? Cause obviously they couldn't find anything. Keep on sprayin' that vinegar!

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I'm sure someone has tried to measure chemtrails in the air before, and you know why we haven't heard about it? Cause obviously they couldn't find anything. Keep on sprayin' that vinegar!

That's a strange statement. You are sure it's already been done but not published?

How many people follow that "vinegar" thing?

Care to share all of your insight with us, all of the statistics at you disposal, all of your inside info?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Actually you don't need to fly up there. Provided you had access to a good mass spectrometer.

http://www.iac.ethz.ch/groups/lohmann/research/lab/chemical_comp

Words like "should" are an indication of "not actual" yet.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I really don't understand. You mean like scramble a fighter jet? A civilian aircraft would need a flight plan filed with the FAA if they were going as high as contrails. I'm sure some special permissions could be granted to operate in areas (much like Military Operations Areas), but those areas would be clear of other traffic.

What do you not understand?

Let's say you have one or more vacuum bottles handy to draw in a sample. You have to get there and take the sample.

What kind of an aircraft would it take and how can one go about getting permission to be somewhere quickly at some altitude (neither known exactly until the sample site is specified on the fly based on visual inspection by some observer).

Use your imagination a bit and see how YOU could respond if you got word that "I see it being done, right now, right here" and now get there quickly and follow in a spray stream and take a sample.