Deborah K
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There is no way in hell, a wind shear made that trail do a perfect 90 degree turn and head straight and thick out to the ocean. Sorry.
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There is no way in hell, a wind shear made that trail do a perfect 90 degree turn and head straight and thick out to the ocean. Sorry.
Did you watch the plane make the turn or did you watch the contrail bend?
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Neither, I looked up to the sky as I do every time I'm outdoors. The trails were to the west. One trail had a 90 degree turn to it. Everyone who saw it thought it was the strangest thing.
Then I would say the plane was actually diverted. It happens all the time. There could be a whole host of reasons why a pilot makes a 90 degree turn.
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Wow, that's really good evidence, unless it can be shown that this guy's full of crap.
He even got a good citation from the Secretary of the Navy for his work in Vietnam on successful weather modification and research.
He even got a good citation from the Secretary of the Navy for his work in Vietnam on successful weather modification and research.
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Wow, that's really good evidence, unless it can be shown that this guy's full of crap.
He even got a good citation from the Secretary of the Navy for his work in Vietnam on successful weather modification and research.
Ben Livingston: Cloud physicist has eye on hurricane control
Midland Reporter Telegram | September 25, 2005
By Jimmy Patterson
Waylon "Ben" Livingston knows his ideas are controversial, so he steps lightly when talking about them. His theories have been proven, the technology is in place. Research shows his ideas could save hundreds, maybe even thousands, of lives.
He is a fascinating man with credentials as long as the wingspan of the airplanes he flew as a commander with the U.S. Navy in Korea and Vietnam.
Livingston, 77, moved to Midland with his parents during the Depression. He earned his master's degree in cloud physics from the Naval Weapons Center and Navy Post Graduate School in California, a degree he would use in the battlefields. He seeded clouds and dramatically increased rainfall in his theater of war, creating impassably muddy roads, slowing down the Vietnamese and Korean troops, and saving lives and entire towns from occupation.
He is proudest of his award from the secretary of Navy, which says, "Lt. Livingston directly participated in project flights in a combat zone, in program planning, scientific data collection and evaluation ... his unwavering devotion to duty were major factors in the outstanding success of the project and were instrumental in the development of a unique, major combat capability for the United States."
Before receiving the citation, Livingston was invited to the White House where he briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on the effectiveness of weather control activities and the resulting slowing of traffic by the military support trucks bringing supplies to Southeast Asian troops.
Livingston's findings deal with hurricanes and what scientists call weather modifications. His research includes 265 missions into the eyes of hurricanes and he calls himself maybe the "most disgusted" person in the country about Hurricane Katrina.
The storm, he says simply, could have been dramatically curtailed, the damage minimized, the levees of New Orleans saved.
Livingston works with scientists and pilots at Weather Modification Inc., in Fargo, N.D. His theories also have been verified by staffers there. He has logged 15,000 hours of hurricane reconnaissance experience and all of his penetrations into the eyes of hurricanes were of the low-level variety -- where he would fly in from low altitude then up and into the eye. He said the refraction of light onto the water through the eye of a hurricane is the most beautiful and memorable site he has ever witnessed. It was made even more so after nightfall when the stars and moon work together.
"In the 1960s, a national priority of our government was hurricane control," Livingston said. "Silver iodide is used as a nuclei that causes raindrops to form. The original hypothesis is that if you get enough rain or cool air into a hurricane you can diminish its velocity and strength. When I left the military in the 1960s, we had the ability to do that, and reduce wind velocity in hurricanes by 25 percent and damage caused by a hurricane by 63 percent."
Livingston said his research of hurricane control was confirmed by the Stanford Research Institute. The program of controlling hurricanes, though, was mysteriously dropped by the federal government because of, as he termed it, "politics and professional jealousy." Livingston said powerful Washington lobbies control areas preventing the reinstatement of the hurricane-reduction program, and when asked why it has not yet been resinstated, Livingston cites what he calls an "industry of destruction."
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Deborah K
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Can you debunk the issue of geo-engineering with something other than your opinion?
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Can you give any evidence for the chemtrail conspiracy other than your opinion?
Oh well sorry I tried to answer the questions you posed. Sorry I even tried. Expected better.
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You would have to be completely retarded to believe that there are no chemicals being sprayed in our atmosphere is good enough for me.
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Why are you guys attacking Deborah who mentioned an L shaped cloud while ignoring the elephant in the room: the OP and the Ben Livingston testimony/documentary?
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I don't need to. I'm not making a claim one way or another. I asked for explanations and I got dubious opinion.
Bullshit. I tried to answer the questions she posed based on atmospheric science and aviation experiance. I didn't attack her.
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Is Deborah an atmospheric scientist? Consult the Ben Livingston documentary by Alex Jones and see what you can get out of that, and then try to refute what he says "first hand".
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I didn't view it as attack. Snark maybe.
At any rate, sorry but I don't consider the following response to be "based on atmospheric science and aviation experience":Can't find anything on wind shear causing contrails to bend.
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That may be because they are youngens who have never seen a blue sky without streaks of white lines? Even Disney has incorporated chemtrails into their movies it helps acclimate the kiddos to seeing these in the sky and think nothing of it.
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What chemicals? What evidence do you have that these chemicals are being sprayed?
By whom? What evidence do you have that this group is spraying chemicals?
Why? What motive do they have to spray chemicals?
How? How are they spraying these chemicals and how are they hiding it?
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Exactly how long did Monica Lewinsky's BJ with Bill Clinton last?
Does it matter? Do we need to know that to know that she gave him a BJ? Does it matter how many she gave him?
The fact that it IS happening and there IS NO investigation being done to find out the extent is precisely THE PROBLEM.
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In other words, you have absolutely no proof to back up your conspiracy theory.
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