Tom Woods: My Memories of Jesse Benton

Now we are going to have the pro-GOP crowd sticking up for Reagan and attacking Rothbard. Fantastic. Maybe after that we can defend George Bush saying that if he didn't have a Democrat Congress his last 2 years he would have prevented the recession.
 
Now we are going to have the pro-GOP crowd sticking up for Reagan and attacking Rothbard. Fantastic. Maybe after that we can defend George Bush saying that if he didn't have a Democrat Congress his last 2 years he would have prevented the recession.

Do you believe that Ron Paul was in error then for supporting Reagan in 76 and 80?
 
Conspiracies like that only occur in the movies. Benton's future is best served by winning campaigns. Had he lost for Rand he would never be taken seriously again.

When he took over the Rand Paul campaign, the only thing he had to do was NOT fuck it up. It was on autopilot in the general. (Which he did manage to do, thankfully.)

This isn't as much about Benton's future as it is McConnell's. If you guys don't think that the establishment will run Mitch in 2016 to fend off a Rand run, I don't know what to tell you.
 
Ron Paul was free to do whatever he wanted. He was much younger and more naive at that point in time. Do you believe he was in error for regretting and retracting that support in 88?

Not at all. Reagan's presidency was a failure in that he did not champion conservative principles throughout his presidency. Nonetheless, this last campaign we saw Paul reminding people of how he supported Reagan (the anti-Perry ad) and not how he condemned him.
 
This isn't as much about Benton's future as it is McConnell's. If you guys don't think that the establishment will run Mitch in 2016 to fend off a Rand run, I don't know what to tell you.

I would imagine they will. McConnell doesn't have any stage presence though. I doubt he can make it past Ames. Stranger things have happened, but McConnell is not a captivating speaker by any stretch of the imagination.
 
It is not inaccurate, it is biased. The author sets out to criticize Reagan, and does so. For example, he mentions that "[Reagan] started off with a bang by increasing state taxes nearly $1 billion in his first year in office — the biggest tax increase in California history." However, the author fails to mention two key components to that tax hike. One was that Reagan was a Republican governor, with (if I recall) a Democratic state legislature. If memory serves me correct, the tax hike was a compromise package (Dems wanted to increase taxes even higher) and at the same time Reagan froze government hiring.

Reagan wasn't a magician. He couldn't come into the governorship, wave a magic wand and implement every policy that he wished to implement. He had a state legislature to contend with.
But yet, he signed the budget. He signed into law the massive tax increase.

I hear this same pathetic apologizing from Gary Johnson supporters. Look, the fact is all these people's voting record is terrible. All these governors, Reagan, Johnson, Romney, etc., took their big feathered pen out of their big pen-holder and signed -- did not veto, rather signed -- measures tremendously increasing the size and scope of their states' tyrannical hordes.

It's really very simple why I have a problem with these politicians: they support increasing the amount of tyranny rather than decreasing it. They support abridging people's freedoms rather than respecting them. They support using aggressive violence to get what they want. They do all this with their actions, even though their mouths may be making different noises. I really do not know why people give the noises coming from their mouths a second thought, since they bear no relationship whatsoever with reality. They're just noise.

The above is completely (and obviously) true of the mass-murdering piece of garbage Reagan <spit>. It is less true of Gary Johnson, who did use his veto pen relatively a lot, though only relative vs. all the other governors at the time, not relative to what any true lover of liberty would have done. Still, in a band of criminals, Johnson was at least quantifiably less criminal than the rest, while Reagan was at least as criminal as the worst of them, just as Romney was. Romney and Reagan are essentially the same, the noises coming from their mouths are just slightly different, but that's just a factor of keeping up with the times (wouldn't want to sound dated), and no one should care what these noises are in the least. They're just noise.
 
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When he took over the Rand Paul campaign, the only thing he had to do was NOT fuck it up. It was on autopilot in the general. (Which he did manage to do, thankfully.)

This isn't as much about Benton's future as it is McConnell's. If you guys don't think that the establishment will run Mitch in 2016 to fend off a Rand run, I don't know what to tell you.
You and I haven't always seen eye-to-eye, but I'm in complete agreement with you on this.
 
I would imagine they will. McConnell doesn't have any stage presence though. I doubt he can make it past Ames. Stranger things have happened, but McConnell is not a captivating speaker by any stretch of the imagination.

No he isn't. And I don't think he's going to win it. But will he threaten to run, since he won't need to resign his seat? Sure. His resume is far more impressive to mainstream voters than Rand's. He's had years of practice in manipulating both the population and the politicians.

Meh - nobody said it would be easy. But I think Benton is a fool if he thinks this move by McConnell is a win for Rand's future.
 
But yet, he signed the budget. He signed into aw the massive tax increase.

And the alternative? Veto it, and then have the veto overridden, or have the legislature pass through another bill with higher taxes and without the hiring freeze. If you want a king, then fight for a monarchy, but we have a balance of power in all of our state and federal governments.

You do realize that if Paul won the White House, he would have had the very same issues. Just vetoing everything doesn't make it go away. Eventually the legislature will produce a bill that is veto proof.
 
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No he isn't. And I don't think he's going to win it. But will he threaten to run, since he won't need to resign his seat? Sure. His resume is far more impressive to mainstream voters than Rand's. He's had years of practice in manipulating both the population and the politicians.

Meh - nobody said it would be easy. But I think Benton is a fool if he thinks this move by McConnell is a win for Rand's future.

Well we are making our assumptions based on Rand running in 2016. He may not. Even if Romney loses, he may wait for a future time.
 
Well we are making our assumptions based on Rand running in 2016. He may not. Even if Romney loses, he may wait for a future time.

I'm not sure how old he is. Personally, I'd like to see him do a stint as governor first. Voters seem to like former governors.
 
I'm not sure how old he is. Personally, I'd like to see him do a stint as governor first. Voters seem to like former governors.

Rand is 49. Steve Beshear is term limited, so the next KY governor race is an open seat - it's in 2015.
 
Like others, I am in no way shocked by this turn of events...but I'm not angry. Actually, I'm kind of relieved: Hopefully this means Benton is out of our hair for good. I have no idea what his motives are, but I don't really care anymore either, because we always knew he wasn't the greatest help regardless. As long as he he won't be managing any more campaigns that actually matter to us, I can't complain.
 
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And the alternative?
Supporting liberty! Not supporting increased levels of plundering! I support that alternative.

Veto it, and then have the veto overridden, or have the legislature pass through another bill with higher taxes and without the hiring freeze. If you want a king, then fight for a monarchy, but we have a balance of power in all of our state and federal governments.
Oh, did the Democrats in the California legislature have a 2/3 majority in both houses?

You don't know. You can't answer me, because you have no idea. No idea whatsoever. You are just wantonly making excuses -- any excuses! -- with no consideration for facts. You don't know any facts. You're just pulling out whatever excuses pop to mind, because you are totally 100% committed to continuing to love Reagan. Nothing will change that.

A second fact you do not know: the California Legislature never overrides vetoes. Never. I challenge you to find the most recent veto override in California. You will not find one in this century, and I do not think you will be able to find one from the previous century either. Technically there was at least one minor override in the 20th century, but I do not think you will be able to find it. Of course, I also don't think you care.

You do realize that if Paul won the White House, he would have had the very same issues. Just vetoing everything doesn't make it go away. Eventually the legislature will produce a bill that is veto proof.
Congress has overridden a Presidential veto only 107 times since George Washington. That's it. A good President's job would be: veto absolutely everything. Just veto it. Veto all the stupid stuff Congress passes. That's it. If they want to override 1,000 vetoes a year, that's on them. They can go for it. But as President, I just keep vetoing. As Governor, I just keep vetoing. And as Congressman, I just keep voting No. If there were ever anyone who behaved in this way, I would respect and honor them. Oh wait, wasn't there once a Congressman called Dr. No?
 
Congress has overridden a Presidential veto only 107 times since George Washington. That's it. A good President's job would be: veto absolutely everything. Just veto it. Veto all the stupid stuff Congress passes. That's it. If they want to override 1,000 vetoes a year, that's on them. They can go for it. But as President, I just keep vetoing. As Governor, I just keep vetoing. And as Congressman, I just keep voting No. If there were ever anyone who behaved in this way, I would respect and honor them. Oh wait, wasn't there once a Congressman called Dr. No?

helmuth_hubener, with all due respect you live in a world that simply does not exist. You are supporting an alternative that is not practical in today's world where we in the liberty wing are not only facing opposition from the moderates within our own party, but from the left in the Democratic party as well.

The reality of the situation is that we have some real quality people in office currently who can work to undo the 100 years of government growth that we have experienced at the federal level. The person you are looking for who will act as you wish, simply does not exist - or if they do, they will never be elected to office.

The liberty wing of the GOP is a minority. We need to increase our numbers substantially, before we can make headway. Maybe one day there will be a congress filled with Ron Pauls and a Ron Paul in the white house, and your realization can come to fruition. But we simply do not have that, nor will we in any time in the near future.
 
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