Tom Woods: My Memories of Jesse Benton

[sailingaway]

I didn't tell you to leave. I suggested you move on to whatever it is constructive that you think is preferable to working in the GOP to get liberty candidates elected. Thus far, all you are doing is criticizing the path that others of us have chosen to take.

As a reminder, you had just finished giving a high-five to this post. In fact, you enlarged and bolded various parts of it for impact.




See above.

this isn't a thread about activism or a project, it is a thread about Tom Woods and Benton. Discussions inside aren't the same as trying to derail activist projects as I see it. Everyone can work as they wish, but if people are just discussing whether and to what extent and how closely working with non liberty types is a good idea, in their personal opinion, I'd expect to hear both sides. But saying 'see, it never works to work with the party' is equally global and exclusive of other opinions as saying 'we have to work this way or be fringe'.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

It seems that you are trying to further split the movement and I wonder why that is.

They're the ones who have drawn the lines within the movement and do everything they can to work as the thought police for those in the movement who they feel are unbecoming. We are just fighting back, and Benton's recent behavior has proven us to be absolutely 100 percent correct. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Tell me, do you consider the RP delegates "milquetoast Republican establishment appeasers" too? You know, the ones who actually took action and did something constructive. How about people like Marianne Stebbins who organized the supporters in Minnesota to pwn the leadership slots in the GOP and win all the delegate positions, with exception of the one they gave to Bachmann? And what about the RP supporters in Iowa who have busted their butts for the last 4 years to get in position and win over people? They also now pwn the GOP leadership positions. What about the supporters in Maine who went through holy crap and have not stopped yet? Instead of giving up, they have decided to win positions in their own state.

Are these people "fools" in your book, SARGE?

I am a delegate within the Republican Party, and I urge every Ron Paul supporter to join up to try and overwhelm the party at every level in order to take it over. But this isn't achieved by kissing the ass of known pieces of shit like Romney and McConnell. We should be working to oust people like McConnell, not playing footsy with them because they are in positions of power. Using a local example, how well would we have done in Michigan if Kerry Bentivolio decided to join the McCotter campaign instead of running against him?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Romney AND the establishment GOP. Of which Mitch McConnell is a part. A HUGE part. Who Rand is playing footsie with. Who Benton defected to. Here Liberty movement, take this up the wazoo. Okay GOP, thanks. Oh, and can we come and play tomorrow?

No, you're not being 'rational.' It's apart of a master plan hatched by Jesse Benton. Since he's proven himself so competent and pro-liberty before, that's how you know he's workin' for us!

 

[kylejack]

And that's not the way to do it. Again, you don't give prospective employers public advice or open constructive critisicm if you want to get hried by them in most cases.

And that's Tom's blind spot - he doesn't understand the social reaction by other people to some of the things he says or posts. I can understand that because I used to have the same blind spot when I was younger but it is widespread among the liberty movement because lt's face it, most of us are thinkers and not socialites; that's why we are attacted to a liberty position.

Were you critical of Benton? Yeah, you called him a liar. Did you get a job with the campaign? It sure seemed like it.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

They made the decision in February, before the Michigan primary not to attack Romney. They wanted to, but Romney scared them.

Whether Doug Wead was making that up or not, I don't know, but if you're not going to air attacks on Romney because of counter-attacks on you, well, at that point, February 2012, you aren't in it to win it. Preserving Ron Paul's name, and Rand Paul's future, was the name of the game from Feb 2012 on.

All the delegate stuff, after Feb 2012, that was stuff that we wanted to do, and they didn't put a stop to it. But bailing out of fear in February, that was it, we were done. They might've wanted the omelet but they didn't want to risk breaking any eggs to get it. Basically, a big ol circle jerk for 6 months. Which is not to say that doing all that didn't have value. Ashley and Mark wouldn't be RNC, we wouldn't have so many state committee, so there were the tangential benefits from the pursuit of the goal. Might've have been nice for those who didn't really care that much about those tangential benefits to know that they through in the towel in Feb.

Jon Huntsman put up a pretty brutal ad against Ron in New Hampshire, that made the rounds in all the big media circles.

Romney seriously couldn't have done any worse than that, unless Ron has some really ugly skeleton somewhere that literally nobody in the movement knows about.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Frankly, Woods sounds like sour grapes. I will stay with Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Jesse Benton, they are the champions of liberty.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

And when Reagan tried to do what is right, he got shot. After he got shot is when he did not govern as he promised. This was my turning point--the red pill. It was the catalyst that started my journey down the rabbit hole.

Reagan sucked as governor of California, and he put forward retarded budgetary policies before he was shot.

He was a goon before he was shot, he was a goon after he was shot. The shooter wasn't a tool of the elite trying to rein in a rogue freedom fighter.

 

[kylejack]

Frankly, Woods sounds like sour grapes. I will stay with Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Jesse Benton, they are the champions of liberty.

If you're going to stay with Benton, you'll need to stay with liberty enemy McConnell, because that's where Benton went.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

This is crucial.

Does anybody really think that Reagan was shot by a lone nut who wanted to impress Jodie Foster?

It's more likely than the power elite attempting to take out a guy who had already gleefully done their bidding as governor of California, and during his short time as president showed exactly bupkis in the way of opposing in any meaningful way the growth of government.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

If you're going to stay with Benton, you'll need to stay with liberty enemy McConnell, because that's where Benton went.

McConnell just endorsed Ron Paul three weeks a go and cut a video for him. McConnell also endorsed Rand Paul's tea party movement in Kentucky and appeared at a tea party rally. And now, McConnell looks like he has caved and turned into a real champion of liberty; he just hired Jesse Benton to be his campaign manager!

Next year, McConnell will be the most powerful republican in the US, he will be the Senate majority leader. That means Rand Paul and Jesse Benton will be among the most powerful as well. This is a serious pro-liberty takeover of the NWO folks.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

If you're going to stay with Benton, you'll need to stay with liberty enemy McConnell, because that's where Benton went.

The idea of liberty is powerful, and now it has overwhelmed McConnell. Never doubt the power of liberty my son.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

If you're going to stay with Benton, you'll need to stay with liberty enemy McConnell, because that's where Benton went.

Mitch McConnell is a champion of limited government:

The job of leader by definition does not accommodate ideological purity, but Senator McConnell’s conservative record is very clear. When the history books are written, it will be said that few Americans have ever done more to protect the First Amendment than Mitch McConnell. He has stood up to presidents of both parties who have sought to curb free speech when it became politically inconvenient for them. Efforts to eliminate our freedoms like so-called “campaign finance reform” are never presented for what they are, and to defend our freedoms is seldom popular. But Mitch McConnell has shown that regardless of the political party or the public sentiment, he will be an unwavering defender of our constitutional rights.

Stop opposing Freedom.

 

[donnay]

Reagan sucked as governor of California, and he put forward retarded budgetary policies before he was shot.

He was a goon before he was shot, he was a goon after he was shot. The shooter wasn't a tool of the elite trying to rein in a rogue freedom fighter.

Really? Oh I suppose John Hinkley Jr. wasn't related to the Hinkley's that did business with the Bushes eh? Reagan wasn't in office long before he got shot. President Reagan has only been in office for 69 days at that point.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Really? Oh I suppose John Hinkley Jr. wasn't related to the Hinkley's that did business with the Bushes eh? Reagan wasn't in office long before he got shot. President Reagan has only been in office for 69 days at that point.

Hinckley's ties to a connected family or not, Reagan wasn't a rogue actor, and the power elite didn't send anyone after him.

 

[parocks]

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Hard to respond to this one. However, I read at least one of those books a long time ago. And I don't really remember them. And I saw at least part of one of those movies and I really didn't remember the book from the movie.

But, to elaborate, they've become very accustomed to not having to fight, not having to react to anything. It seems like a lot of their work surrounds shocking skit type work, where they implement little real life skits little plays, and those are shocking. But it just feels fragile. That tremendous blows to it could have quite an effect.
At one point they probably had to work hard to gain control but they really haven't been put on the defensive for a while.

 

[parocks]

It's more likely than the power elite attempting to take out a guy who had already gleefully done their bidding as governor of California, and during his short time as president showed exactly bupkis in the way of opposing in any meaningful way the growth of government.

Ron Paul supported Reagan for President in 1976 and 1980

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Ron Paul supported Reagan for President in 1976 and 1980

Ron Paul can make mistakes, too.

 

[cajuncocoa]

The idea of liberty is powerful, and now it has overwhelmed McConnell. Never doubt the power of liberty my son.

 

[Barrex]

this isn't a thread about activism or a project....................... derail.............. is a good idea......

Can someone post links to threads about activism or projects? Active ones (not dead ones).... It seems I have a problem finding them.


Why are we here?
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[acptulsa]

Hinckley's ties to a connected family or not, Reagan wasn't a rogue actor, and the power elite didn't send anyone after him.

Are you saying that Hinckley had nothing to do with the Bushes or that the Bushes are not the 'power elite'? And what makes you think that the 'if yer not with us yer with the terrists!' family has the same definition of 'rogue actor' that you do?