To vaccinate or not to vaccine, that is the question.

[Keith and stuff]

I live in New Hampshire and I do not believe in vaccines!

That's excellent. And by living in NH, your children are less likely to get sick than everywhere else if they do not get vaccines. It makes so much sense that you live in NH. You are likely a very good parent!

I was in the military for many years so I was shot up with all types of things. It is too late for me. But parents that really care about their kids have a good chance of keeping them healthy without vaccines in New Hampshire. Parents that really care about their children likely already live in NH or are considering moving there. You made the right choice.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I see the point your making, its not something that I would feel proud of.

EDIT: Im not promoting an all or nothing strategy. But there is more than enough evidence to warrent change in manufacturing and mandates of vaccines and precautionary steps that should be taken by parents and adults.

How is educated parents that care about their kids being better able to keep their kids healthy in NH than other places not something to be proud of? If you don't want to stick your children with a bunch of needles, more power to you. That seems like something to be proud of to me. It is about keeping your kids safe and healthy.

 

[Birdlady]

Excellent. Then you should move to NH where your children as less likely to get sick if they do not vaccinate.

You are off your rocker. You don't have to repeat yourself multiple times.

 

[KingNothing]

We went with a selective, delayed schedule. It means more office visits but our doctor does the shot-only visits for free.

I like this option best.

The evidence against vaccination is flaky and anecdotal (and possibly criminal), so I definitely encourage that children be vaccinated but the flaky and anecdotal evidence also suggests that you can lessen the potential risks of vaccines by doing as specsaregood suggests.

 

[KingNothing]

neither of us are "no vaccine" but yeah she comes from a traditional medicine family life, i come from crystal-worshipping alternative medicine family life.

The "no-vaccine" people are completely insane. I say that with the most empathy and sympathy for people who were potentially harmed by them, but the science is there. Vaccines have done immeasurable good for mankind.

 

[KingNothing]

Bottom line. Doctors are scumbags. I wouldn't trust them.

That rash generalization isn't remotely true. Lordy, Ron Paul is doctor too!

 

[KingNothing]

The study that linked autism and vaccines has been thoroughly debunked. The data was fudged, the researcher lied, the whole episode was a farce. Vaccines may be linked to autism, who knows, but there is no scientific data to back that up. Then the media spreading it like they did was immoral.

SWATH the decision is up to you and I'm glad you're questioning what gets put into your kids. I would point you towards the history of many of those diseases and see why vaccines have saved a hell of a lot more lives than they've screwed up and how they are still saving millions of lives as these diseases have NOT yet been eradicated and pop in the US from time to time. Yes you take a small risk in vaccinating your kids and you have to determine for yourself if the risk of the side effects are worth it versus the possibility of death or disfigurement from contracting the disease. At least you're doing research instead of blinding following your doctor or state like many parents do.

This is the best post in the thread.
+rep to you, sir!

 

[tttppp]

That rash generalization isn't remotely true. Lordy, Ron Paul is doctor too!

I've met quite a few doctors. Most of them are scumbags. All of them are incompetent. Ron Paul is the only smart doctor I have ever seen. Although he is still weak on health care policy like all doctors are.

 

[KingNothing]

I've met quite a few doctors. Most of them are scumbags. All of them are incompetent. Ron Paul is the only smart doctor I have ever seen. Although he is still weak on health care policy like all doctors are.

I know several doctors. All of them are intelligent, all of them genuinely care about people, and all of them want only what is best for their patients.
Same with nurses.

Not everyone outside of us is malevolent, stupid, or greedy.

 

[tttppp]

I know several doctors. All of them are intelligent, all of them genuinely care about people, and all of them want only what is best for their patients.
Same with nurses.

Not everyone outside of us is malevolent, stupid, or greedy.

If you're healthy, sure doctors seems intelligent. But if you have health problems and want them cured, all doctors will do is waste your time and money.

Please tell me what cures these doctors have. If they were intelligent they should be able to fix your health problems.

 

[donnay]

The "no-vaccine" people are completely insane. I say that with the most empathy and sympathy for people who were potentially harmed by them, but the science is there. Vaccines have done immeasurable good for mankind.

*SIGH* It is really a shame when most people just parrot the same mantra over and over again, without ever bothering to research the facts. I just posted a list of facts above. Please stop trying to insult the intelligence of people who have done their homework.

 

[donnay]

Excellent. Then you should move to NH where your children as less likely to get sick if they do not vaccinate.

Unfortunately you are wrong again. It is children who are vaccinated that pose the risks to everyone else.

 

[bolil]

Also GET A DOG, dogs play an enormous role in building up a child's immune system. I had vaccinations... but I also contracted a mysterious case of sepsis when I was very young...

hxxp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2561739/pdf/jnma00236-0100.pdf for a similar occurrence.

 

[donnay]

If you're healthy, sure doctors seems intelligent. But if you have health problems and want them cured, all doctors will do is waste your time and money.

Please tell me what cures these doctors have. If they were intelligent they should be able to fix your health problems.

Generally doctors do not cure, they treat people. Which means it's a meal ticket.

Most medical schools do not even school on nutrients and minerals.

 

[Birdlady]

I know several doctors. All of them are intelligent, all of them genuinely care about people, and all of them want only what is best for their patients.
Same with nurses.

Not everyone outside of us is malevolent, stupid, or greedy.

I'd like to meet some of these doctors you know. Most of the doctors I have seen want the easy patients who will gladly take a pill or some other easy "fix" and be on their way. I ask questions. I like to be completely involved in my care. Many doctors do not like it when patients take a hands-on approach to their care. They feel threatened.

Unfortunately I don't have many good experiences with nurses. I had a few try to play doctor and had no idea what they were talking about. It's scary some of the things I have had nurses say to me about my conditions.

Recently I went to a rheumatologist and he's been the best doctor I have ever seen. He actually said to me, "I want to see you get better". I have never, ever ever had a doctor say anything even remotely close to that. I know there are some good ones out there, but they are few and far between.

Any way I guess where I am going with this, is that for the past 12 years of my life, I've been trying to undo what a vaccine did to me. Doctor's refuse to accept the fact that a vaccine could have done this yet they offer no other ideas of what did. That vaccine was not worth the potential good because I don't lead a normal life now. Ron Paul's views on health freedom is one of the big reasons why I support him and it saddens me to see that a lot of his own supporters feel the need to force vaccines upon each other. Do your own research. Look up those who have been injured and decide for yourself.

 

[mosquitobite]

Cracks me up that people on these forums who mostly (should) understand that everything the media and science tells us is ONLY the part they WANT to tell us still buy big pharmas lies hook line and sinker.

How is it that people who KNOW the media mischaracterizes Ron Paul and his positions wouldn't stop to think that maybe the same media isbe in bed with the pharma lobby (who make MILLIONS off vaccines)

Keith do you believe in man made global warming too? What about the science behind fluoridating water? Not to go way off tangent...my point is that even where the science is supposedly "SETTLED" there are still plenty of critics who say "woah, not so fast" but the media paints them as kooky or conspiracy theorists.

Keith just humor me:
do you know the difference between DTP and DTaP and which strains of pertussis they cover? Don't go and google it now...wouldn't want you to dig too far into this stuff...it might take the blindfold off.

 

[mosquitobite]

I have had the MMR twice. Still test as unresponsive to it. Not immune. So all you science-y folk who believe in herd immunity...do you know how many others like me are out there?

I am convinced the MMR is why I now have Hashimoto's thyroiditis.

 

[tttppp]

Generally doctors do not cure, they treat people. Which means it's a meal ticket.

Most medical schools do not even school on nutrients and minerals.

Its a complete waste of resources. The medical industry wastes an unbelievable amount of money on treatment that does next to nothing. We would be much better off if the U.S. focused on Chinese traditional medicine which can cure most diseases and focus on developing cures for the things Chinese traditional medicine can't cure.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Unfortunately you are wrong again. It is children who are vaccinated that pose the risks to everyone else.

How so?

 

[mosquitobite]

It is children who are vaccinated that pose the risks to everyone else.

How so?

Do you know the difference between a live virus and a dead one? The difference in efficacy and risks (to self and others) between the two types?

How is it that the vaccinated get pertussis in exactly the same rates (or more) than the unvaxxed?

As I said before, I'm not ANTI vaccine. I'm anti UNSAFE vaccine. I'm anti UNSAFE AAP guidelines that *are* making our nation sicker rather than healthier - but because the damage is not often *immediate* (death sure would scare a few people from the vaccine camp...oh wait...nevermind it hasn't with Gardisil...) people buy big pharmas manufactured studies and ignore what vaccine damaged people are saying.

Please note, I have not brought up autism ONCE in this thread. Autism is 100% NOT the reason this mama doesn't vaccinate. That may have been what triggered me to dig into the research, but in the end that was just ONE of the possible side effects. In the end, I do feel the risks outweigh the benefits...for MOST children.