To vaccinate or not to vaccine, that is the question.

[tttppp]

Except that their entire modus operandi is follow FDA, or some other group's set of recommendations. They're taught to treat symptoms. That means medications and surgeries that you don't need.

I truly believe that most doctors believe that their work is for human betterment.

You obviously have not been to the er. Doctors have the same commitment to their job that employees have at the DMV. The vast majority of them hate their job.

Doctors have more education than any profession I can think of. They can't play the stupidity card. They should no these medications don't help and should not prescribe them unless they are really necessary. Same goes for surgery. I remember my grandfather died relatively shortly after a surgery because the surgery messed him up. It was one doctors should have advised him not to do. There are always major risks to surgery. Surgery should only be done as a last option. Doctors just view surgery as a payday.

 

[SWATH]

We've been following the delayed suggested schedule from Dr. Sears vaccine book. It was a friendly compromise between mine and my wifes differing opinions on the subject.

Yeah that is the book I was referring to when I said I read one in between. He is not anti-vaccine but more anti-unnecessary vaccine.

 

[gunnysmith]

In todays medicine, it's the unknown pathegens in vacines that are the concern, none are pure.

 

[mosquitobite]

Thats not a huge leap. Like most professions, 99% of people are idiots. The 1% remaining know what they are talking about. For every 1 doctor who gives you honest advice, there are 99 of them that are completely clueless.

If you have ever been to the hospital, you'd know that calling them scumbags is not a huge leap. I've been seen by negligent and incompetent doctors there and have then been billed for thousands of dollars for just a few minutes of their time. My brother also told me about an experience in a hospital when he fell and injured his shoulder, that a doctor there was treating him like complete shit.

Doctors are not these geniuses they are made out to be on tv. They run their businesses about as well as the government runs the DMV. I would never take advice from someone working at the DMV and I certainly would not take advice from a doctor.

Look I agree with you for the most part.

I just believe it's worth searching for the 1%, just like in politics.

 

[Mark37snj]

We went with a selective, delayed schedule. It means more office visits but our doctor does the shot-only visits for free.

+1 Also, try to make sure the vaccine does not contain Mercury or Thermisol. Multiple vaccines overload the immune system and Mercury and Thermisol damage it.

 

[tttppp]

Look I agree with you for the most part.

I just believe it's worth searching for the 1%, just like in politics.

I agree to some extent. But anyone who takes your insurance is going to be crap. If you do actually find the 1% doctor, he'll overcharge you. Not to mention, there are no cures in western medicine. Its not like if you find the right doctor that you'll be cured. The option will still be medication (which only hides the symptoms), surgery, or do nothing.

 

[donnay]

I do not care for Medical doctors who do not think for themselves. I like Naturopaths much better!!

 

[Mark37snj]

Hello all,

I have a 2 month old baby boy (I'll update with a pic later that you all will like) and we just got back from the pediatrician for his 2 month check up and scheduled vaccines. When he was first born I refused the Hep B for him, as I thought the risk of him contracting Hep B were so remote that giving a newborn baby a vaccine against it was ridiculous especially for a premee. Then at our 2 week appt. the pediatrician was asking why we didn't get the Hep B, to which I explained that we were uncomfortable with vaccinating him so young. She started into a semi rant about how vaccines are perfectly safe and the guy who said they weren't has lost his license and so on. At the 1 month appt. with another doctor we discussed our apprehension with the vaccine schedule and she was curious why. I went into the adjuvants, and Hg and Al and formaldehyde and knowingly injecting these things into an infant goes against what we believe. She listens and assured us that they are safe and there have been no evidence that they cause any harm and pointed to the many photocopies of articles taped the exam room walls talking about how there is no link between vaccines and autism and how autism is genetic. "You do know that they took the mercury out a long time ago right" she said, to which I replied "I do know that that is what they say, but I've read it was just a reduction not an elimination of it". She kind chuckled and said "oh you don't believe they took it out?". She vehemently insisted that they were safe and that there is a lot of misinformation about them that is causing a decline in vaccinations and the result of which is an increase in the number of infants that she treats with all the diseases that they are to protect against. She was very nice about it but very concerned pointing to her infant patients in intensive care and some that have died from preventable diseases and so on.

Hey that's probably why they have you sign a waiver before they give the shot....because it is sooo safe.
It is BS. How many other things you go to the doctor for that they make you sign a waiver before they treat you?

My wife had a fit when I said no and we still disagree

Autism is NOT genetic. The medical research company I worked for determined that. Vaccines are a double edged sword. Yes they save lives but they can be dangerous. Vaccines have been linked to Autism, Multiple Sclerosis, and other diseases. They SWEAR that mercury and thermisol does not cause autism or other diseases, so why did they begin removing them? Trust is a factor and the pharmaceutical industry has destroyed that trust. The medical community quickly points to that British doctor who was discreteded by the medical establishment/goverment. Yet I have not heard of any thorough unbiased study conducted to follow up on this, my that is suspecious in itself. Until I see that study I call BS as well. Protect your children.

 

[Revolution9]

Let the kid crawl around in the dirt and pick their nose and eat it. That is natures vaccine and they have now found there are various fungi in soil that are anti-viral and anti-biotic. That is where they got all the cillins and cyclins from. Soil fungi. The picking the nose and eating it is a vaccine as the nose mucous denatures the DNA of the bacteria and when ingested it allows the body to make antibodies for it. I was an army brat, I got alot of vaccines due to being posted all over with my dad. I remember issues with every one. The arm feeling like a golfball was injected into it, the rashes when exposed to water after that, the ears leaking amber fluid which caused blisters all down my neck and wherever it touched. Flu like symptoms with earaches. Now I understand from the literature that my brain-blood barrier was trying to eject the metals and adjuvants through my ear canals and neck. Nasty shit if it causes blisters to form. If they had gotten through I would have jerked and spasmed to try to shake them or deal with a mercury or aluminum molecule floating in a synapse gap and firing off electron pulses down the dendrites, or creating resistance to signal flow or modulating it so it is out of phase with the brain hologram, confusing the crap out of perception fields. I would then have been labeled autistic but still have the same brain power with most of it trying to recalculate the effects of the poisons and their insidiscriminate neural firings to remain as comfortable as possible under the circumstances.

Rev9

 

[Greg Buchanan]

Autism is NOT genetic. The medical research company I worked for determined that. Vaccines are a double edged sword. Yes they save lives but they can be dangerous. Vaccines have been linked to Autism, Multiple Sclerosis, and other diseases.

General anesthetics given to the mother during childbirth, and/or during infant circumcision are the most likely contributing factors to autism.

 

[Lishy]

I wish my mom didn't force me to vaccinate all these years. INCLUDING the Swine Flu vaccine. How dangerous was that shit? :/

Now I've stopped taking the flu shot when given the opportunity, and I'm perfectly fine. However, WHY do they use mercury and liquid metals in vaccines anyways? I mean, for something as important as vaccinations, surely there's better preservatives? What IS the reason they give? (Also, give me the Canadian perspective if possible.)

We need doctor Paul to educate us!!!

 

[Eagles' Wings]

Hi Swath,

Good for you for having some unease about this. Many are waiting until child is over a year and then vaxing one per visit over a LONG period of time. Ask for specific lot# of vax and keep a record. This will show you mean business and will make doc accountable.

If doc and nurses put you down, find one who won't. We've actually interviewed.

Bless you,
Louise

 

[Mark37snj]

General anesthetics given to the mother during childbirth, and/or during infant circumcision are the most likely contributing factors to autism.

Source? And if you really want the hair to stand up on the back of your neck, take a look at the disparagy in the number of children with Autism born to military service personel. One thing our goverment is good at is making sure those in the service and their family get all their vaccinations. Anesthetics and circumcision can't explain the increase in those numbers.

 

[moostraks]

I feel your pain....Mine is scheduled for his next appointment on March 1st, he will be 8 months old and we haven't done any vaccines. I vaccinated all of ours up until number 6 had a reaction. She had some developmental regression and I researched the vaccine correlation possibility. This made me paranoid enough to stop vaccinating for the time being, not to mention the whole issue of fetal cell versions that I was completely unaware of and am against. Lucky us, dh then lost his job and there went the health insurance so when we were in between insurance coverage I was not under pressure to move forward. Now it is on the forefront as we have a new little one and they want you to sign those stupid forms every time you go claiming you are knowingly putting everyone at risk by refusing the shots. I don't even want to go to get him a check up with the way they act about the matter. I know I don't want to be the one who caused them harm and regret that I might have caused number 6's issues by not being more informed. There are no easy answers, but know you are not alone in your anxiety...

 

[Cyberbrain]

The study that linked autism and vaccines has been thoroughly debunked. The data was fudged, the researcher lied, the whole episode was a farce. Vaccines may be linked to autism, who knows, but there is no scientific data to back that up. Then the media spreading it like they did was immoral.

SWATH the decision is up to you and I'm glad you're questioning what gets put into your kids. I would point you towards the history of many of those diseases and see why vaccines have saved a hell of a lot more lives than they've screwed up and how they are still saving millions of lives as these diseases have NOT yet been eradicated and pop in the US from time to time. Yes you take a small risk in vaccinating your kids and you have to determine for yourself if the risk of the side effects are worth it versus the possibility of death or disfigurement from contracting the disease. At least you're doing research instead of blinding following your doctor or state like many parents do.

 

[RickyJ]

My advise is don't do it.

None of my kids are getting any vaccines.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

I feel your pain....Mine is scheduled for his next appointment on March 1st, he will be 8 months old and we haven't done any vaccines. I vaccinated all of ours up until number 6 had a reaction. She had some developmental regression and I researched the vaccine correlation possibility. This made me paranoid enough to stop vaccinating for the time being, not to mention the whole issue of fetal cell versions that I was completely unaware of and am against. Lucky us, dh then lost his job and there went the health insurance so when we were in between insurance coverage I was not under pressure to move forward. Now it is on the forefront as we have a new little one and they want you to sign those stupid forms every time you go claiming you are knowingly putting everyone at risk by refusing the shots. I don't even want to go to get him a check up with the way they act about the matter. I know I don't want to be the one who caused them harm and regret that I might have caused number 6's issues by not being more informed. There are no easy answers, but know you are not alone in your anxiety...

I always tried to find support for lifestyle choices that are not considered mainstream. There are many sites about natural mothering. Perhaps one might doubt the necessity of well baby checks. Find a doctor, or complimentary health professional who gives you encouragment, not shame. Blessings to you, Louise

 

[RickyJ]

I'm a parent who NEVER vaccinates my kids because I love them too much to allow that crap to be put in them. Heck, the thing that you thin you're getting vaccinated for includes hundreds of biproducts from pharmasutical companies who convinced some politician to use taxpayer money to but their junk and put it in too. Many other countrieshave stopped vaccinating and their children are less sick because of it. The effectiveness of vaccines has been grossly overstated if not outright lied about to put taxpayer money in the hands of pharmasutical corporations.

Your kids will thank you when they grow up healthy and smart while other kids are sick and dumb.

 

[freeforall]

You seem worried about mercury. Do you feel that aluminum is a safe alternative?

Also, try not to make it an all or nothing decision. Study each vaccine and make your decision. You may find that you make each decision for the same reason ultimately but they are still unique choices.

Take your time. You can't undo this decision so you should be absolutely sure.

eta: Also look at how to care for your child for each disease if you choose to delay or not vax. You will want to be somewhat familiar with this if they were to contract something.

 

[Mckarnin]

I agree with others. Do your own research. This is tricky stuff and even though many of the things we vaccinate against are rare and you can still contract them if vaccinated you have to be ok with receiving additional scrutiny if your kids do contract something that a vaccine exists for. Also, living a healthy lifestyle, eating good food and having some openness to natural medicine help a lot if you decide not to vaccinate because you want your child to have a robust immune system.