To those who say it is not about Ron Paul winning the nomination

[SilenceDewgooder]

The same exact thing was going on in 2008, when Ron didn't win the popular vote in a single primary or caucus, and people here still thought he had some secret strategy to win the nomination in August. I don't understand why people don't learn from history.

Then why even bother checking the "Ron Paul Forum" - With the unwavering support like Traditional Conservative and apparently many others here, no wonder things never change. "Oh no, things look bleak, I guess its a good time to jump off the bandwagon". If you don't fight for the change that you believe is needed, then don't expect it.

It's always darkest before dawn and it's only 2 am right now. - figuratively speaking

I am tired of having to battle this mindset at, of all places, "Ron Paul Fourms". My 6th grade math teacher gave us a 1 minute quiz everyday that contained 20 questions of converting fractions, decimals and percentages. That's 3 second per question. And at the bottom of every quiz was a quote: "If you believe you can't do it, you're absolutely right."

 

[sailingaway]

What do you think could happen in 3 months that would cause Romney to not get the nomination? Because all he has to do is coast.

He would have to fall on his face. I don't see it happening, but I consider the man entirely capable of doing something to outrage conservatives, he certainly has, before. Turn it around, if even you see good coming of getting more delegates, what earthly benefit is there to stop pushing before the convention is over?

 

[sailingaway]

Right on. Ron Paul even said that in his email yesterday. He can't win.

My opinion, however, is that it is time we gave our support to a liberty candidate who will actually be on the ballot. Ron Paul ought to do the same.

Stop pushing Gary Johnson's wagon in Ron's campaign forum. Undermining Ron's support in hopes it will go elsewhere counts. I warned you about that, before.

 

[sailingaway]

He sent out an official e-mail that he won't have enough delegates to win today. I don't post here very often because of the pervasive lack of objective reality, but Paul hasn't had a legitimate shot at winning since Iowa.

I was a delegate at the WA State Caucus last weekend, and my district, the 7th, was about 75% Ron Paul delegates. Not a one of us, including the 3 delegates we elected to the National Convention, thought Ron Paul would win the nomination. That isn't why we went to the caucus, and every one of us was in this for the long haul and had been playing this game for years. This isn't some once in a lifetime chance, it's just another milestone in the move towards liberty. Paul has done more for this movement than anyone in recent history, but this is a movement, not some North Korean style personality cult. Anyone who is making this about Ron Paul and not about achieving liberty is hurting the movement.

This is because if you make it about Ron Paul you won't stick around to help us out after Ron Paul retires. We need every one of you to keep working tirelessly to elect more liberty minded individuals, to spread the message of liberty, and to go on to be future influential figures of the movement itself. Do not make this about one man, that cheapens the goal and does a disservice to everyone who is working so hard, especially Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul doesn't want you to give up when he retires, and the only reason he ran was for you. So don't destroy his legacy by disengaging after he is done.

Ron is the inspiration for why people are engaged, retired or not. It isn't a personality cult, it is his record and principles. Don't expect people to get excited about not even trying to push them.

 

[BestVirginia]

He would have to fall on his face. I don't see it happening, but I consider the man entirely capable of doing something to outrage conservatives, he certainly has, before. Turn it around, if even you see good coming of getting more delegates, what earthly benefit is there to stop pushing before the convention is over?

I haven't called for, urged, persuaded, or otherwise attempted to change anyones mind about continuing the push for delegates to the convention. It really seems like this needs spelled out around here:

Saying Romney is going to get coronated in Tampa does not equal saying that Ron Paul supporters should stop trying.

 

[sailingaway]

I haven't called for, urged, persuaded, or otherwise attempted to change anyones mind about continue the push for delegates to the convention. It really seems like this need spelled out around here:

Saying Romney is going to get coronated in Tampa does not equal saying that Ron Paul supporters should stop trying.

but it undermines enthusiasm for it. If people keep enthusiasm up by focusing on it not being technically impossible to win, why do some seem to feel an absolute need to rain on that?

At some point there is a 'don't lead people on' responsibility, but acknowledging odds is different than giving up.

 

[Aratus]

lets be logical for we know this grand ole flag and republic is here to stay!!!

I do think Dr. Ron Paul is very about securing the GOP nomination for himself and our rEVOLUTIOn
people 4 out of 5 times over the NEXT TWENTY YEARs! Big hint, people! folks there is a gameplan!

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Right on. Ron Paul even said that in his email yesterday. He can't win.

My opinion, however, is that it is time we gave our support to a liberty candidate who will actually be on the ballot. Ron Paul ought to do the same.

The writer of Ron Paul's email said the amount of delegates, as of today, do not add up to Paul winning the nomination. A current snapshot, of a dynamic situation is not the same thing as the candidate (or his supporters) conceding "he can't win." nor do they represent what the final "fact" will turn out to be. The writer may even be low-balling the total delegate numbers. In addition, the revelation that Romney actively participated in the final details of Romneycare, along with other gaffes and revelations, may create enough buyer's remorse among Republicans to cause more delegates to abstain in Tampa.

 

[Aratus]

after the big win by scott walker in wisconsin, the dow jones industrial average spiked up.
mitt tends to pitch himself at all small business people who are in a high frustration zone
even if he himself like donald trump talks gop fatcat as a second language. the gop wants
this fall win so bad they may concede things in tampa and be as non-ideological as is mitt.

 

[Butchie]

So how about an apology from whatever mod was enough of a dick to move my original post to it's own thread to try and make me look bad?

Even Ron wrote yesterday he isn't going to win, is that enough for you guys or will you keep controlling the conversation like a neocon?

I was with you the whole time, I agree it should not have been moved.

 

[Butchie]

Then why even bother checking the "Ron Paul Forum" - With the unwavering support like Traditional Conservative and apparently many others here, no wonder things never change. "Oh no, things look bleak, I guess its a good time to jump off the bandwagon". If you don't fight for the change that you believe is needed, then don't expect it.

It's always darkest before dawn and it's only 2 am right now. - figuratively speaking

I am tired of having to battle this mindset at, of all places, "Ron Paul Fourms". My 6th grade math teacher gave us a 1 minute quiz everyday that contained 20 questions of converting fractions, decimals and percentages. That's 3 second per question. And at the bottom of every quiz was a quote: "If you believe you can't do it, you're absolutely right."

Or...just maybe we realize Ron Paul is not the beginning and end of everything. We aren't quitting, we're just asking why do some of you keep spending your time and energy in an effort that even Ron himself says is futile when you could be donating to people like Massie, Amash, Rand, etc, etc. Even beyond that, get involved in your local politics, check out your judges, district attorney's, township supervisors, etc, these people probably make up 60% or more of the rules you deal with yet no one even pays attention to them.

I am not trying to discourage anyone, just saying there are places where your enthusiasm would be better spent.

 

[sailingaway]

Or...just maybe we realize Ron Paul is not the beginning and end of everything. We aren't quitting, we're just asking why do some of you keep spending your time and energy in a jesture that even Ron himself is futile when you could be donating to people like Massie, Amash, Rand, etc, etc. Even beyond that, get involved in your local politics, check out your judges, district attorney's, township supervisors, etc, these people probably make up 60% or more of the rules you deal with yet no one even pays attention to them.

I am not trying to discourage anyone, just saying there are places where your enthusiasm would be better spent.

telling people to spend their time somewhere else IS discouraging them. Obviously. Spend your time as you please but if your motive is to make people stop focusing on Ron, don't do it in Ron's campaign forum. Others have other subforums or the general one. People don't go there and try to get people to stop working on those campaigns.

 

[Butchie]

telling people to spend their time somewhere else IS discouraging them. Obviously. Spend your time as you please but if your motive is to make people stop focusing on Ron, don't do it in Ron's campaign forum. Others have other subforums or the general one. People don't go there and try to get people to stop working on those campaigns.

RON IS SAYING IT, what is it people can't get about that, what does he have to do to get some of you to realize this. He is not saying quit nor am I, just that winning the nom is not the goal, I agree keep getting delegates, keep taking over leadership positions, just stop buying into this idea that some secret plan is going on that's going spring into action at the last minute and stop thinking Ron is the only hope for the world.

 

[sailingaway]

RON IS SAYING IT, what is it people can't get about that, what does he have to do to get some of you to realize this. He is not saying quit nor am I, just that winning the nom is not the goal, I agree keep getting delegates, keep taking over leadership positions, just stop buying into this idea that some secret plan is going on that's going spring into action at the last minute and stop thinking Ron is the only hope for the world.

YOU are saying your motive is to get people to put the effort elsewhere. He didn't say that. He said the amount of delegates he expects to have isn't enough to get the nomination. People can make up their own minds where to put their effort.

 

[Aratus]

it is about ron paul having 1145 delegates or coming awfully damn close at 800 to 900 delegates

 

[Butchie]

YOU are saying your motive is to get people to put the effort elsewhere. He didn't say that. He said the amount of delegates he expects to have isn't enough to get the nomination. People can make up their own minds where to put their effort.

Ofcourse people can make up their own minds, I'm just adding my suggestion. You obviously disagree with it.

 

[sailingaway]

Ofcourse people can make up their own minds, I'm just adding my suggestion. You obviously disagree with it.

I'm saying that suggestion should not be made in this subforum. This subforum is for supporting Ron.

 

[Butchie]

I'm saying that suggestion should not be made in this subforum. This subforum is for supporting Ron.

Fair enough.

 

[robertwerden]

When Ron Paul sends out an email to me and says he does not have enough projected delegates to win, that is marching orders for the grass roots to get more delegates, not to quit. If Ron Paul want's to quit, he would announce he was quitting. He is announcing that he wants us to work harder and convert Romney supporters into Paul supporters. So that is what we do, we make him the nominee.

 

[Brett85]

Or...just maybe we realize Ron Paul is not the beginning and end of everything. We aren't quitting, we're just asking why do some of you keep spending your time and energy in an effort that even Ron himself says is futile when you could be donating to people like Massie, Amash, Rand, etc, etc. Even beyond that, get involved in your local politics, check out your judges, district attorney's, township supervisors, etc, these people probably make up 60% or more of the rules you deal with yet no one even pays attention to them.

I am not trying to discourage anyone, just saying there are places where your enthusiasm would be better spent.

Exactly.