To those who betrayed the movement today

[Original_Intent]

The biggest disappointment is not the sheeple who voted for McBama, not by a long shot . The Matrix still has them, Neo.

Nope, the biggest disappointment is this: I came to this website 18 months ago and actually had some hope that this country had a chance. For so long I felt virtually alone, and it was SO GREAT to see so many people here that UNDERSTOOD, that had their eyes opened, that knew what I knew and felt what I felt!

Now a decent percentage of them are being asked to be inserted back into the Matrix, have their memory wiped. They are sheep not because they have been misled by the media, but because they have willfully chosen to be.

We were supposed to be the REMNANT, and too many of the remnant could not make even a POLITICAL stand for freedom, they succumbed to the fear-mongerers, they did not trust their inner wisdom. Most of "the populace" are pretty much zombies, they do their jobs, they get their SOMA in whatever form, they are herded like cattle and have little more awareness of what is REALLY going on in the world than cattle. I expected no better from them.

But today I am losing those I considered my brothers and sisters-in-arms, we who knew what we were up against, knew the odds were hugely against us and were determined to make a stand, once and for all FOR LIBERTY AND FOR EACH OTHER!

I am sure you felt like you did what was right when you did it, but this vote can never be taken back, you did not even have the courage to CAST A BALLOT for your convictions.

You may never feel you have the need to ask your fellow brothers and sisters for forgiveness, maybe you were moles from the start who never believed. If you ever wake up to a sense of your awful situation and do seek forgiveness you will have it. But it will still never uncast this cowardly and unworthy vote which you have allowed yourself to cast today.

 

[ryanduff]

I voted for Baldwin.

But yes, it is disappointing. My neighbor who liked Ron Paul voted for Obama today. No convincing him to vote third party. He voted on the basis of Obama is less evil than McCain. WTF?!?!

 

[MsDoodahs]

Maybe those who cast ballots for McBama are not part of the Remnant.

Maybe those who cast ballots for McBama never were part of the Remnant.

Maybe they never will be....


eta: I wrote in RON PAUL.

 

[kathy88]

So sad to see the laziness and lip service. I expected bigger things here.



Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our numbers have shrunk but we have heart.

 

[sirachman]

The biggest disappointment is not the sheepl who voted for McBama, not by a long shot . The Matrix still has them, Neo.

Nope, the biggest disappointment is this: I came to this website 18 months ago and actually had some hope that this country had a chance. For so long I felt virtually alone, and it was SO GREAT to see so many people here that UNDERSTOOD, that had their eyes opened, that knew what I knew and felt what I felt!

Now a decent percentage of them are being asked to be inserted back into the Matrix, have their memory wiped. They are sheep not because they have been misled by the media, but because they have willfully chosen to be.

We were supposed to be the REMNANT, and too many of the remnant could not make even a POLITICAL stand for freedom, they succumbed to the fear-mongerers, they did not trust their inner wisdom. Most of "the populace" are pretty much zombies, they do their jobs, they get their SOMA in whatever form, they are herded like cattle and have little more awareness of what is REALLY going on in the world than cattle. I expected no better from them.

But today I am losing those I considered my brothers and sisters-in-arms, we who knew what we were up against, knew the odds were hugely against us and were determined to make a stand, once and for all FOR LIBERTY AND FOR EACH OTHER!

I am sure you felt like you did what was right when you did it, but this vote can never be taken back, you did not even have the courage to CAST A BALLOT for your convictions.

You may never feel you have the need to ask your fellow brothers and sisters for forgiveness, maybe you were moles from the start who never believed. If you ever wake up to a sense of your awful situation and do seek forgiveness you will have it. But it will still never uncast this cowardly and unworthy vote which you have allowed yourself to cast today.

The only person betraying the movement are people like you who attempt to create rifts within the movement by spewing such distate for people who have different strategies for success.
Yet again:
Way to bring everyone together. I'm sorry but people can disagree. The rEVOLution we all talk about is not going to happen by marking down a third party choice on a ballot, it is going to happen through long hard slow work at a local level which will culminate in policy changes and an educated public which can vote for the kind of president all of us here can support. Now I understand the argument for voting third party and it is a good one. The idea is that slowly the percentage of third party voters will cause more and more people to vote third party as third party candidates are seen as more and more "viable" by the public as a whole. However the reality is that until the public is educated enough to vote for something other than their wish to support a family heirloom party, or based on a catchphrase we as thinking Americans cannot realistically expect a third party candidate to win. It is obvious that no one thinks that a third party candidate will win, however while we can sit around all day and preach about what should be we need to think about what is. America's uneducated and easily led are electing our presidents, and until the day when we have made a major impact on educating the public the only thing voting third party is doing is allowing those who are uneducated to decide your president. It may feel good to fill in the colored dot or press that little square on the screen for a third party, but our fight is not that easy. The lesser of two evils argument is wrong, but the fight is much bigger and much harder than anything that is going on today. We must take the local offices in each of our states and educate every person we come across about the constitution and principles for which we stand in order to succeed that is the only way that we will truly make progress in this revolution. Please, no matter your personal views, your political origin or your level of disgust. Please do not attack those who stand with you. We all disagree on certain things, and some things we may disagree allot. However, all of us share love of country and constitution and we need to stand together.

 

[torchbearer]

The only person betraying the movement are people like you who attempt to create rifts within the movement by spewing such distate for people who have different strategies for success.
Yet again:
Way to bring everyone together. I'm sorry but people can disagree. The rEVOLution we all talk about is not going to happen by marking down a third party choice on a ballot, it is going to happen through long hard slow work at a local level which will culminate in policy changes and an educated public which can vote for the kind of president all of us here can support. Now I understand the argument for voting third party and it is a good one. The idea is that slowly the percentage of third party voters will cause more and more people to vote third party as third party candidates are seen as more and more "viable" by the public as a whole. However the reality is that until the public is educated enough to vote for something other than their wish to support a family heirloom party, or based on a catchphrase we as thinking Americans cannot realistically expect a third party candidate to win. It is obvious that no one thinks that a third party candidate will win, however while we can sit around all day and preach about what should be we need to think about what is. America's uneducated and easily led are electing our presidents, and until the day when we have made a major impact on educating the public the only thing voting third party is doing is allowing those who are uneducated to decide your president. It may feel good to fill in the colored dot or press that little square on the screen for a third party, but our fight is not that easy. The lesser of two evils argument is wrong, but the fight is much bigger and much harder than anything that is going on today. We must take the local offices in each of our states and educate every person we come across about the constitution and principles for which we stand in order to succeed that is the only way that we will truly make progress in this revolution. Please, no matter your personal views, your political origin or your level of disgust. Please do not attack those who stand with you. We all disagree on certain things, and some things we may disagree allot. However, all of us share love of country and constitution and we need to stand together.

How is voting for evil and enslavement a strategic vote?

 

[sirachman]

How is adding +1 to a sum of voters for a no-chance third party cantidate helpful to the revolution. I would rather spend my time trying to make actual changes. If you voted for one of the only two people who have any chance of being president you are taking part in the decision of who will be president. I do happen to like one of them better than the other, and I do believe that a protest vote is less important than taking the opportunity to help decide who will actually be president. I've spent vast amounts of time contributing to the goals of the constitutional ron paul rEVOLution and someone calling me a traitor over something like this is absurd. I will do more for this revolution by educating one voting age american on the principles of free-market economics and the constitution than this entire election will. I simply hope that the short sighted idiots that comdemn people on this site wont scare any people away that are actually doing something that matters on the ground.

 

[christagious]

I voted for Baldwin.

I think an Obama win will help our movement though; it puts that nail in the coffin for the GOP and maybe they'll go back to it's roots and Ron Paul will rise from the ashes and revive it. He is a doctor after all.

Even MSNBC today said that if all the Republican candidates including McCain lose today the GOP will have some soul-searching to do.


Here's to 2012!

 

[torchbearer]

How is adding +1 to a sum of voters for a no-chance third party cantidate helpful to the revolution. I would rather spend my time trying to make actual changes. If you voted for one of the only two people who have any chance of being president you are taking part in the decision of who will be president. I do happen to like one of them better than the other, and I do believe that a protest vote is less important than taking the opportunity to help decide who will actually be president. I've spent vast amounts of time contributing to the goals of the constitutional ron paul rEVOLution and someone calling me a traitor over something like this is absurd. I will do more for this revolution by educating one voting age american on the principles of free-market economics and the constitution than this entire election will. I simply hope that the short sighted idiots that comdemn people on this site wont scare any people away that are actually doing something that matters on the ground.

It's called voting for your principles. Not something I'd expect everyone to figure out right away. So, give it some time.
Your one vote for evil won't change anything either, just says... I support evil.

We have people on the front lines doing things. I'm one of them.
Don't stab me in the back while i'm fighting for our freedoms.

 

[Original_Intent]

The only person betraying the movement are people like you who attempt to create rifts within the movement by spewing such distate for people who have different strategies for success.
Yet again:
Way to bring everyone together. I'm sorry but people can disagree. The rEVOLution we all talk about is not going to happen by marking down a third party choice on a ballot, it is going to happen through long hard slow work at a local level which will culminate in policy changes and an educated public which can vote for the kind of president all of us here can support. Now I understand the argument for voting third party and it is a good one. The idea is that slowly the percentage of third party voters will cause more and more people to vote third party as third party candidates are seen as more and more "viable" by the public as a whole. However the reality is that until the public is educated enough to vote for something other than their wish to support a family heirloom party, or based on a catchphrase we as thinking Americans cannot realistically expect a third party candidate to win. It is obvious that no one thinks that a third party candidate will win, however while we can sit around all day and preach about what should be we need to think about what is. America's uneducated and easily led are electing our presidents, and until the day when we have made a major impact on educating the public the only thing voting third party is doing is allowing those who are uneducated to decide your president. It may feel good to fill in the colored dot or press that little square on the screen for a third party, but our fight is not that easy. The lesser of two evils argument is wrong, but the fight is much bigger and much harder than anything that is going on today. We must take the local offices in each of our states and educate every person we come across about the constitution and principles for which we stand in order to succeed that is the only way that we will truly make progress in this revolution. Please, no matter your personal views, your political origin or your level of disgust. Please do not attack those who stand with you. We all disagree on certain things, and some things we may disagree allot. However, all of us share love of country and constitution and we need to stand together.

I agree 110% with the most important work is in education and working hard at the local level.

However, please note the highlighted part of your post. Please explain and differentiate to me an "uneducated" vote for the two party monopoly and an "enlightened, strategic" vote for the two party monopoly.

You accuse me of creating rifts - I MOURN the loss of those who I thought were my brothers and sisters. You say I have disgust, and that I am attacking those who not only betrayed us but themselves. You are wrong I am saddened as I see my comrades (in a non-communist way) taken out not by bullets but by either wrong-headed thinking or cowardice. I am not trying to drive away, I am trying to get people (those who are saying they "feel bad" about how they voted) to realize that there is a REASON that they feel bad, it is called self betrayal, it is called knowing you did not stand firm, you cowered in the shadows and submitted while your chains were fitted!

If you coddle such behavior you only encourage it. If giving people the straight truth drives half away but wakes the other half up then much better than weakening the movement further by telling them "ah, it's all right don't feel bad, you did what you felt you had to."

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I reckon the people here who voted against the freedom movement/candidates were always just here for giggles and to piss RP fans off. I count them not among my fellow patriots. May they depart from us and continue to bow and lick the tyrannical hand that beats them and feeds them for the rest of their days like so many mindless sheep.

 

[JoshLowry]

This thread seems to indicate it's about 7.5%

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2712

The remnant is alive.

 

[Original_Intent]

I voted for Baldwin.

I think an Obama win will help our movement though; it puts that nail in the coffin for the GOP and maybe they'll go back to it's roots and Ron Paul will rise from the ashes and revive it. He is a doctor after all.

Even MSNBC today said that if all the Republican candidates including McCain lose today the GOP will have some soul-searching to do.


Here's to 2012!

I agree with you - a decisive Obama win will help us win back the GOP - I think.

But that certainly doesn't mean I am going to cast an unprincipled vote for Obama just to help that happen. I found the best man I could support for the job, and I supported him as best I could. When he was not an option, I chose the next best choice that was available and who my top choice also happened to endorse. End of story. I feel sorry for people that have to make it more complicated than that due to ignorance. My extreme sorrow is for the people here who don't have that fig leaf to hide behind.

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

Voting for a mainstream candidate isn't betrayal, its just ignorance. Some people learn faster than others. No biggie.

 

[Theocrat]

Held By a Dangerous Program

Some members on these forums are not unplugged. They are still captive in the Merovingian's train station.

 

[mediahasyou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

To those of you still here, I salute you.

Take an e-Newcastle, my beer of choice - on me.

 

[sirachman]

I personally did not vote for one of the two party duopoly. I am merely arguing the fact that this election will do less for our movement than educating a single american on the constitution, free-market economics, and everything else. You may disagree with the point I am attempting to make, and I can see your point. However I must argue that going after people for their vote this election is frivolous as this is not our final hour but instead our first. We will not lose or win today we will either stick together or fight against one another. Instead of focusing on who votes for who, and arguing back and forth we need to discuss how to spread our message and our ideals to more americans who have not yet heard what we have. It is obvious that you can point out the fundamental problems with voting for one of the evil two, and yes they are valid and true points. However, nomatter who we vote for today the most important thing is that tomorrow we are still as strong in numbers as we were yesterday and ready to make more progress.

 

[JohnMeridith]

To the OP,

You are not creating any rift. You are drawing the line between virtue and ignorance.

 

[sirachman]

I reckon the people here who voted against the freedom movement/candidates were always just here for giggles and to piss RP fans off. I count them not among my fellow patriots. May they depart from us and continue to bow and lick the tyrannical hand that beats them and feeds them for the rest of their days like so many mindless sheep.

July 08'
Lol?
Your 5 minutes in the ballot box cannot match the real progress made by all of us individually. However you cast your vote, the real progress will be made outside the ballot box. Your finger can cast one vote, your voice can cast thousands.